Dinner Jackets, Tuxedos, Suits????

[Kindlychap]

Unless Ted Turner applied his coloring (oops, colouring) pot to a print, Casablanca is a B/W movie.

 

I said nothing of the film. I said that Bogart wore a yellow dinner jacket in Casablanca. I can assure you that I realise that the film is neither in colour nor has been coloured.

 

How it comes out in the print is something on which I did not seek to venture a view.

 

Matthew

[CPOCMAN]

Everyone - thanks for helping me to clear this up. I just had to ask the question since I was so confused after doing some research.

 

After reading all the info aboe, could I get your opinions on this: when I look at stevesan's link that he posted of an example of a dinner jacket, if I took that in black and used it with a nice dress long sleeve shirt with tie and a pair of black slacks (with dress shoes of course), would it pass for use in the dining room for formal night or will it look odd - using a dinner jacket with ordinary slacks (levi action slacks)? Thanks again.

[SaltwaterTwo]

Here's an example of a dinner jacket.

Protocol is to only wear white between Memorial and Labor days. I say pooh on that and wear white year round while in the Caribbean:

 

http://www.josbank.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Merchant_Id=1&Section_Id=6100&pcount=&Product_Id=22

 

Just look around you. The Officers of the ship will wear "whites' in the tropics and "blues' in Alaska. Wear what we Americans (U.S. that is) call white dinner jackets in the tropics and a Tux in the colder climates. Yes a white dinner jacket has the same accessories as a tux. Formal shirt, bow tie, cummerbund, tux trousers (although you could get away with black slacks) and black shoes. Actually, a light weight white dinner jacket outfit is much more comfortable than the normal "business suit".

[Kindlychap]

After reading all the info aboe, could I get your opinions on this: when I look at stevesan's link that he posted of an example of a dinner jacket, if I took that in black and used it with a nice dress long sleeve shirt with tie and a pair of black slacks (with dress shoes of course), would it pass for use in the dining room for formal night or will it look odd - using a dinner jacket with ordinary slacks (levi action slacks)? Thanks again.

 

Knowing that by "dress shirt" Americans don't mean what I would mean using the term - that what I call a "dress shirt" is what you call a "tux shirt" and that your "dress shirt" is just a normal formal shirt that one would use with a business suit. And assuming that you're not referring to a bow tie.

 

Then I think you would look as if you can't afford a full dress suit ("tux") or even worse that you don't know how to wear one.

 

Why not simply buy a cheaper dress suit? Or just wear a dark business suit? Both would look better than the mixture you suggest, and I'm sure either would meet the dress code of any line on formal night.

 

Matthew

[CruisinChris]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_tie

 

Wikipedia does a great job of outlining the elements of formal dress and includes (non-judgementally) guidelines for white dinner jackets for warm climes and calmly explains that Brits and Americans approach formal dress quite differently. It even include Scottish formal guidelines. Check it out.

[skandls]

Most of the men on formal night will be in a dark suit or a tux. You can rent a tux on board if you do not own a dark suit or tux This will include the shirt, tie, studs and cufflinks. Check out the Princess web site. There will be men in sports coats but sports coats are usually worn for 'informal' evenings. Many cruise lines are doing away with this category of evening dress.

 

Some cruises and cruiselines are more casual than others. Princess still has a good number of passengers who do follow the daily dress codes.

[Kindlychap]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_tie

 

Wikipedia does a great job of outlining the elements of formal dress and includes (non-judgementally) guidelines for white dinner jackets for warm climes and calmly explains that Brits and Americans approach formal dress quite differently. It even include Scottish formal guidelines. Check it out.

 

I would be wary of quoting Wikipedia as an authority. It is not greatly respected.

 

In any event, the article is clearly written by a North American. "French cuffs" (to pick but one example) is a term unknown on this side of the Atlantic.

 

Please also remember that some British people are offended by the term "Brits".

 

Matthew

[vmom]

Hello,

 

I have seen men in kilts, beige suits, all white linen suits, and a truly wonderful looking carmel coat/slacks combination. I am sure you will look just fine>

 

Fred

 

Kilts are considered formal wear in the Scottish tradition, so its more than "just looking nice".

 

To the OP...I think the key is to make sure you wear a jacket. You might want to consider a more contempory look which is a black suit with a black shirt. Contempory and still formal...and you'll have the ladies eyes on you in admiration.

[icemaiden]

does this mean my husband can wear his black suit and black shirt and tie he wore to a recent wedding, if this is so he will be well happy

 

linda

[Kindlychap]

Kilts are considered formal wear in the Scottish tradition, so its more than "just looking nice".

 

It's not as simple as that. Kilts can be formal, or casual. It depends on the rest of the outfit!

 

To the OP...I think the key is to make sure you wear a jacket. You might want to consider a more contempory look which is a black suit with a black shirt. Contempory and still formal...and you'll have the ladies eyes on you in admiration.

 

Black suit & black shirt?

 

That's a joke? Please tell me that's a joke.

 

Matthew

[Tools R Us]

Formal wear doesn't have to be expensive, I got the Wedding Tuxedo Package from http://www.etuxedo.com/ very pleased with the suit and price. Added a vest and black tie for the second formal night. My lady loved it and that's what is important to me!:cool:

[vmom]

It's not as simple as that. Kilts can be formal, or casual. It depends on the rest of the outfit!

 

 

 

Black suit & black shirt?

 

That's a joke? Please tell me that's a joke.

 

Matthew

 

No, not joking...saw the combination on several of the younger men on our last 2 cruises. Its not a combination that I would have thought of, but frankly, on these men it really looked put together. I'm sure others have seen this look also on younger men.

 

RE: kilts- I guess the ones I have always seen on formal night on a cruise were formal wear types.

[vmom]

After reading all the info above, could I get your opinions on this: when I look at stevesan's link that he posted of an example of a dinner jacket, if I took that in black and used it with a nice dress long sleeve shirt with tie and a pair of black slacks (with dress shoes of course), would it pass for use in the dining room for formal night or will it look odd - using a dinner jacket with ordinary slacks (levi action slacks)? Thanks again.

 

Frankly I think a dinner jacket with Levi action slacks would look odd. Kind of like you were in the middle of changing clothes and didn't finish ...or like you were trying on jackets and didn't bother with the pants.

[ssminnow]

Mr Howell will be right at home.

Gilligan and I will eat at the buffett.

[Nylsor]

If you have any questions regarding the wearing of tuxedos / dinner suits and related etiquette, go to this site for the answers:

www.blacktieguide.com

I posted a question on the Fashion and Beauty board some time ago re formal nights and this site was recommended to me by a CCer. It is a fantastic site, explaining the difference between the usage of American / English descriptors, when and how formal wear should be worn and even the associated history.I believe the poster who recommended it is the author of the site and hails from Toronto. Well worth a look.:)

[LARGIN]

If you have any questions regarding the wearing of tuxedos / dinner suits and related etiquette, go to this site for the answers:

www.blacktieguide.com

I posted a question on the Fashion and Beauty board some time ago re formal nights and this site was recommended to me by a CCer. It is a fantastic site, explaining the difference between the usage of American / English descriptors, when and how formal wear should be worn and even the associated history.I believe the poster who recommended it is the author of the site and hails from Toronto. Well worth a look.:)

Great website.. Thanks for the info..

[DrivesLikeMario]

Thanks for asking the question. I thought a dinner jacket was the same as a sports coat. No??? Well, will a tweed sportcoat, dark pants, shirt, and tie be OK?

 

A dinner jacket is definitely not the same as a sports coat. On a sports coat, you may see patches on the elbows, varied textures like tweed and even patterns. A dinner jacket is plain, white, tailored and very similar to a black tuxedo jacket, just in white.

 

BTW - my DH refuses to wear a dinner jacket. I think a lot of men are not comfortable wearing a white jacket for some reason - not sure if it's the waiter-look, the jazz-band-look or what. :confused:

[DrivesLikeMario]

My post below should read, "Solid white or solid black."

[icemaiden]

hi i just got the bargain of the century, asda are doing a £2 off promotion just now when you spend £10 in george, so i asked for the tuxedo they put by for me this morning and went up to look at it, it is really good quality finish not that shiny material but not the matt material, it was £35 for the jacket and £14 for the trousers, so i got £2 off with the promo and got a multi-save of £14 wow so the whole suit cost me £33 thats cheaper than hiring it for a week and i have to hire it for 2 weeks, woohoo what a bargain,

 

linda:D

[icemaiden]

whops double post

[flamomo]

We just disembarked the Golden on Saturday, and there were lots of tuxes on both formal nights. Probably 50/50 with dark suits, for the men that chose to dress up. There were quite a few ladies in lovely formal gowns too, as well as many in cocktail dresses and pantsuits. As much as one can tell when there are >2500 PAX on a ship, I'd say the majority dressed up on formal nights. We've usually seen more who chose to do casual and go to the buffet on other ships. So we were surprised to see how many were "gussied up" on this itinerary. Really made the formal nights more special to see so many dressed for it. Even 4-5 year olds in their little tuxes and fancy long dresses.

[CPOCMAN]

Everyone, just wanted to say thank you for taking the time to help me understand all the differences between a Tux, dinner jackets and Suits. Nylsor - thanks for the weblink - it makes it a lot easier to understand.

 

I decided to use my old suit - just need to drop about 15 lbs to get it to fit well. I have about 5 weeks so it will me a good diet and more exercise but I think I should be able to do it! Again, everyone - thanks again for the help. Now that I have a scanner at work, I'll be sure to post some info and links to pixs, menus, patters, etc from the trip. My first vacation this year and it'll be a 4 week long one - we'll be doing Tahoe for Christmas & Vegas for New Years in addition to the Cruise so wish us well! Thanks again everyone!

[sultan_sfo]

Enjoy your cruise and may lady luck smile on you at the Casinos in both Tahoe and Vegas!

 

Not about cruises -- but if you are renting a car to go to Tahoe, reserve a 4 Wheel Drive. They get booked very quickly. It will save you all the hassles of chains (which are not allowed on rental cars). There are also good shuttle services from Reno/Tahoe airport to Tahoe and one can do without a car./Sultan

 

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My first vacation this year and it'll be a 4 week long one - we'll be doing Tahoe for Christmas & Vegas for New Years in addition to the Cruise so wish us well! Thanks again everyone!