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  1. It is true that there are a large number of FCC's resulting from the current cancellations but there are also a significant number of new bookings currently taking place as well.
  2. Not sure I understand what you are saying. Carnival Corp. (of which Carnival Cruises is one brand) and Royal Caribbean International are currently the two largest cruise companies in the industry. Not sure which bigger ones they would be waiting for to be bankrupt.... And IMO the more likely scenario would be that if smaller companies fail, they would be bought out by the larger two companies mentioned - which is in part how they grew to their current size in previous economic downturns.
  3. The key statement is "without revenue". But clearly, revenue will be generated - and is currently being generated - with new bookings being made and the likely resumption to sailing by the fall at latest. So when you add revenue to the equation - even if it is not optimized - those timelines would be longer.
  4. That may be the case, but from information I am aware of, the expectation is not that there is a plan in place to prevent Covid19 from occurring, as that would be impossible, but that there is a plan is place to deal with it on board in a manner that limits further exposure and, should foreign citizen crew be affected, does not tax US based healthcare. Additionally, the plans are also required to define pre-board passenger screening, on board health monitoring and isolating if needed, on board cleaning procedures and preventative measures during the cruise, terminal cleaning pre-board and post disembarkation, increased on board medical presence, etc. And not questioning your position, as I agree with you, but there is a significant difference between not respecting environmental regulations and ignoring CDC regulations, which is the current body that will permit you to return to sailing in the first place. But for now it is just interesting conversation as it all remains to be seen....
  5. Well unless current target dates change - which they very well could - Carnival will not be the "standard bearer" as they are not the first cruise line returning date. Currently RCI / Celebrity is the first planned return to sail cruise line..
  6. The CDC has required all cruise lines to submit a formal plan of operations for their return to cruising that has to include, among other priorities, a comprehensive program dealing on board with Covid19 relative to passengers and crew. This plan was required to be submitted by early May per CDC guidelines issued April 15. So none of the cruise lines can return and develop protocols on the fly - they will only be able to return with plans accepted in advance by the CDC. IMO it would seem logical that they should be relatively consistent with each other so that there would be cohesive measures in place within the industry satisfactory to the CDC. As they are members of CLIA it would also seem logical to me that they would coordinate their plans together through the CLIA in order to achieve this. But regardless of how the cruise lines accomplish this, it does not seem likely that any of them will be able to return to cruising without CDC approved plans in place prior to the resumption of operations. Those that have announced return dates must either already have that in place or anticipate that they will by that targeted return date.
  7. According to the report they can survive for 12 months+ without revenue. Assuming they resume operations as planned, they will also have revenue during that 12 months, which I would think would extend that timeframe.
  8. Well so much for the need to be nervous. It was just announced that NCL has secured $2 Billion+ in stock and debt that will carry them well over a year without added revenue. Once the transactions are completed they will have approximately $3.5 Billion in liquidity for their continued operations. So much for "going out of business" or bankruptcy proceedings - your FCC's should be fine.....
  9. Again, the point of view from the site you use is still their point of view - does not mean it is factual. And "discuss" may have been the better choice of words, which I now no longer will do with this topic.
  10. Just because they say it's factual does not necessarily mean that it is - that is just their view of the information, which can also be self serving. IMO the only way to determine the accuracy of any given information is to hear it from several different and diverse points of view and decide for yourself. But I'm not going to debate it any further.
  11. Let me be more specific to clarify - the CDC is indeed concerned about taxing the US healthcare system with cruise ship based foreign citizens that may require disembarkation in the US if affected by Covid19. But this concern, while applying to current cases, was more specifically identified in the challenge to the cruise lines in their plans to return to sailing to address measures that would avoid US healthcare from being utilized for foreign crew who would become ill moving forward.
  12. Yes - they are chartering commercial aircraft flights privately.
  13. ....especially when there is only a very small percentage of US employees on board most ships to begin with - officers and crew combined. And just to add, what the CDC is primarily concerned about regarding crew re-entry to the US is with regards to any foreign citizen crew that my be affected by Covid19 taxing the US healthcare system for treatment once off the ship and in the US prior to their return home.
  14. If you book using an FCC that conveys the value of that credit to the new booking, thus protecting it. Otherwise it may be suspended during a bankruptcy reorganization but should then be honored at a later time. The way it would be lost with certainty would be if in fact NCL were to go out of business altogether. However, either way, I would not want to be a holder of an NCL FCC at this time.
  15. While I agree, that unfortunately won't help the OP with their current situation. Also don't know if there are different practices in the UK with all that is going on right now. The 7 days might be the email response time from Princess to the TA. Maybe it's a result of staffing reductions. Who knows? But if so, I would add that the TA should be indicating that.
  16. Didn't bother to read the entire article as IMO it is written, as many are, with an agenda that does not necessarily present all of the accurate information regarding the situation. As such I question accuracy of the numbers. What I will add is that the cruse lines have reduced their on board staff to minimum numbers required to operate the ships while idle and many of the rest had been returned to their home countries already. They have also been coordinating chartered private flights to return others, and RCI for one, will be using two of their ships in a coordinated manner to return confirmed healthy crew members to a European port for further repatriation.
  17. According to the published information I am aware of, unless there is an exception for UK bookings, you should be eligible for the 150% option as you indicate and don't know why that would change with your original sailing date to 125%. But if there is a way to reach out to your TA or Princess via phone I would do so to discuss in person rather than rely solely on emails, especially if there is a delay as you say with responses. I hope you can reach someone and get this resolved.
  18. From Cunard: Future Cruise Credits All guests with a voyage booked between March 16, 2020 and including July 31, 2020 on Queen Mary 2 or Queen Victoria and September 8, 2020 on Queen Elizabeth will automatically receive a 125% Future Cruise Credit (FCC) of the cruise fare or deposit. The FCC can be redeemed on any voyage sailing before the end of March 2022 with a booking made by the end of December 2021. Typically the refund will be placed on whatever credit card was used to make the booking and will be based on the amount actually paid. This automatic refund will likely take 30+ days to be processed. Most cruise lines have their employees working from home so if this is the case with Cunard, you should still be able to reach someone for questions.
  19. And even if NCL was "going out of business" they would likely just be bought out by, and merged into, another cruise line company, such as the Carnival or RCI families of cruise lines - which is not unlike how both of those grew during previous economic downturns to be come the two largest cruise line companies of today. (Which IMO wouldn't be a bad thing).
  20. Taxes and fees - along with any other separate pre-cruise purchase - will be refunded directly to the credit card that was used for the original booking. This typically takes 30 - 45 days, and more likely the 45 day timeframe due to the current cancellation situation.
  21. Well I hope you won't take offense as I was not one who was denied boarding, but would like to offer information that hopefully you will find helpful. Regarding the air fare, a lot may depend on how that was purchased. I realize you say you had a package through a TA, but that does not necessarily mean all of your travel components were booked through Celebrity. If the air was placed directly through the airlines, then your issue would be with them, not Celebrity, and you would have to contact them for any consideration of reimbursement. If it was purchased through Celebrity Air2Sea, then your discussions would be with them. It also depends on what kind of travel insurance you had and whether that was through an independent company or Celebrity, for which the same suggestion of who ultimately to contact would apply. It is complicated by the fact you did use at least a portion of the total trip package prior to the cruise portion cancellation. Perhaps some form of reimbursement for any additional expense you may have incurred getting back home due to the cancellation would be considered. But since yo booked through a TA, they would be the ones to facilitate your requests and advocate with Celebrity on your behalf if applicable. Unfortunately I don't have any input as to the likely outcome given your circumstances, but again, am am only offering this as possible assistance for your next steps.
  22. I think as the OP is apparently referencing a UK booking, they should contact whomever they placed the booking with to get the actual amount that would be issued as an FCC as there are different booking policies in place for UK bookings versus those made in the US. It is my understanding, for instance, that deposits made for UK bookings are non-refundable, which may play into the actual base fare paid that is used to calculate the 125% FCC. I would not expect that port fess and taxes would not be included, but there may be other factors that are not applied to US bookings that may be in consideration with UK bookings that could affect the actual FCC value. Again, in order to get an accurate calculation of what to expect with their FCC, I would suggest that the OP should contact the cruise line in question or the agent who was involved in the original booking.
  23. More accurately, if a policy was issued with a third party carrier through a TA, a document detailing the coverage should have been issued which will address the OP's concerns. And for best clarification, the OP should contact the carrier directly and discuss their questions with them. The TA is not the authoritative source on this as they only secure the policy. The carrier would be the one who will confirm any questions. If the policy was issued through the cruise line you can also contact them directly for the information. The TA can ask as well, but they again only source the insurance by including the premium quoted by the cruise line with the cruise fare. As such, they are not the authority with this coverage either. The cruise line will have written coverage information available regarding the policy coverage.
  24. Typically if you are covered by a policy that is defined as "cancel for any reason", that would include pre-existing conditions. CFAR overages are also typically among the most expensive policies for that reason, and as the coverage implies, pre-existing conditions would be part of "any reason" to cancel. Policies that offer CFAR (and pre-existing condition coverage) also typically must be issued within 15 days (varies by carrier) of the formal booking date of the cruise. (Defined as when a deposit is conveyed to secure the reservation). But the only certain way to know for sure would be to contact the carrier who issues the policy and have them confirm their coverages and any limitations.
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