Smoking policy

[jorapp]

Is it true that the Cigar Lounge is non-smoking?

 

If so, isn't that like asking ppl to not cook in a kitchen?

 

Just asking...

[Stags14]

the freedom of the seas is almost a non smoking ship becouse hardly no where a smoker could smoke only on deck 4 outside deck 12 the cigar bar and deck 14 that it and the balcony,it all depend on what ship becouse on the liberty is great and the oasis you could smoke in boleros and the have one side of smoking and one side non smoking,but still the non smoker complaints about the smoking i just dont get it anyway pretty soon rccl will notice that some bars are not making the money,look what happen to carnival pardise they had no choice to put smoking back,i think each bar should have one side smoking and one non smoking i think thats fare

 

Your right - it's totally fair for you to expose me to carcinogenic smoke. What was I thinking?

 

It is what it is, but by no means is it fair. It is the only thing that you are allowed to expose other people to that is a proven carcinogen w/out being prosecuted.

 

And RCCL won't lose money for not allowing ppl to smoke. All the bars in NYC and all major cities in the US are doing just fine. RC's English pub will make it.

Edited September 30, 2010 by Stags14

[ncb106]

Your right - it's totally fair for you to expose me to carcinogenic smoke. What was I thinking?

 

It is what it is, but by no means is it fair. It is the only thing that you are allowed to expose other people to that is a proven carcinogen w/out being prosecuted.

 

And RCCL won't lose money for not allowing ppl to smoke. All the bars in NYC and all major cities in the US are doing just fine. RC's English pub will make it.

the bartenders on the freedom said to to me they not making that much money becouse that what they saying,boleros before use be full all over on the freedom now its feel empty even the crew members or unhappy it like alot people where saying the way it was before it was find why change it,it feel like the non smokers is taking over the cruise line,anyway ill stay with the oasis and the liberty there smoking policy it fair

[Langley Cruisers]

...have one side of smoking and one side non smoking,but still the non smoker complaints about the smoking i just dont get it...

 

No offense, but I can see that you don't get it. :(

 

 

i think each bar should have one side smoking and one non smoking i think thats fare

 

Well, as a non-smoker (reformed smoker, actually - they say we are the worst, but whatever!), I will tell you it's not fair. I want to be able to go into a lounge or bar where smoking is not permitted at all. Even the best air filtration system in the world will not remove all the smoke from the air. Smoke drifts. Pardon me, but I just don't see what is so difficult to understand about this.

[chef_christoph]

the bartenders on the freedom said to to me they not making that much money becouse that what they saying,boleros before use be full all over on the freedom now its feel empty even the crew members or unhappy it like alot people where saying the way it was before it was find why change it,it feel like the non smokers is taking over the cruise line,anyway ill stay with the oasis and the liberty there smoking policy it fair

 

Yeah, and the bartenders would have no reason to embellish upon the truth in order to squeeze a little more tip money out of the nearest sucker, now would they?

 

I think P.T. Barnum would be proud...

[Stags14]

the bartenders on the freedom said to to me they not making that much money becouse that what they saying,boleros before use be full all over on the freedom now its feel empty even the crew members or unhappy it like alot people where saying the way it was before it was find why change it,it feel like the non smokers is taking over the cruise line,anyway ill stay with the oasis and the liberty there smoking policy it fair

 

I'm sorry, but I don't buy it. Just b/c you can't smoke, people aren't going to want to drink? Honestly though, boleros is one place that if they're going to allow smoking - that's it. It's completely open and there's no smoking, but the closed in pub and casino you can smoke your heart out (no pun intended). Regardless, it's a health risk that causes cancer and heart disease among other illnesses and others are being exposed to it. No matter what way you slice it - that's not fair. I have absolutely no problem with anyone smoking... all I ask of them is to do it outside where they will get nobody but themselves sick.

[CVU]

"Having a non-smoking section in a bar is like having a non-peeing section in a swimming pool."

 

:eek::eek: Funny and SO true!!!:D

[Joan Fournier]

If both sides would concede something, everyone could enjoy themselves.

 

If a smoker wants to see a particular entertainer, but the lounge is non-smoking: You have a choice. Which is more important - that entertainer or being able to smoke? Once you make your choice, live with it, and NO COMPLAINTS.

If a non-smoker wants to see a particular entertainer, but the lounge is smoking: You have a choice. Which is more important - that entertainer or going to another venue to see someone else in a non-smoking atmosphere? Once you make your choice, live with it, and NO COMPLAINTS.

 

I don't use the casino, so it doesn't matter to me whether it is smoking or non-smoking. But perhaps RCI could open the casino as non-smoking and after a length of time change it to smoking. That way both sides would have use each day it is open.

 

I think the biggest problem is the balconies. RCI tells us the ship is our "home away from home" while we are there. I don't know of any non-smokers who would invite smokers to their patio so they can smell the smoke that they don't usually have on their premises.

On the other hand, I don't know of any smokers who wake in the night and get dressed to go someplace else to smoke (which is necessary if no balcony smoking). Non-smokers should not be subject to the smell of smoke on their balconies, and smokers should have the right to smoke on theirs. I've believed for a long time that balcony smoking on opposite sides of the ship would be a thoughtful, adult compromise that could work very nicely.

 

Everyone should realize that the entire ship may not available to them depending on their preferences. The ships are big enough, so that if everyone would try to act like an adult, be considerate, stop complaining, and try to get along with each other, the whole cruising experience would be better for all concerned.

 

Just my two cents worth.

[Merion_Mom]

If both sides would concede something, everyone could enjoy themselves.

 

If a smoker wants to see a particular entertainer, but the lounge is non-smoking: You have a choice. Which is more important - that entertainer or being able to smoke? Once you make your choice, live with it, and NO COMPLAINTS.

If a non-smoker wants to see a particular entertainer, but the lounge is smoking: You have a choice. Which is more important - that entertainer or going to another venue to see someone else in a non-smoking atmosphere? Once you make your choice, live with it, and NO COMPLAINTS.

 

I don't use the casino, so it doesn't matter to me whether it is smoking or non-smoking. But perhaps RCI could open the casino as non-smoking and after a length of time change it to smoking. That way both sides would have use each day it is open.

 

I think the biggest problem is the balconies. RCI tells us the ship is our "home away from home" while we are there. I don't know of any non-smokers who would invite smokers to their patio so they can smell the smoke that they don't usually have on their premises.

On the other hand, I don't know of any smokers who wake in the night and get dressed to go someplace else to smoke (which is necessary if no balcony smoking). Non-smokers should not be subject to the smell of smoke on their balconies, and smokers should have the right to smoke on theirs. I've believed for a long time that balcony smoking on opposite sides of the ship would be a thoughtful, adult compromise that could work very nicely.

 

Everyone should realize that the entire ship may not available to them depending on their preferences. The ships are big enough, so that if everyone would try to act like an adult, be considerate, stop complaining, and try to get along with each other, the whole cruising experience would be better for all concerned.

 

Just my two cents worth.

 

Actually, Joan, they already do this.

 

Most, if not all, ships now have non-smoking nights in the casino on formal nights.

[Stags14]

Actually, Joan, they already do this.

 

Most, if not all, ships now have non-smoking nights in the casino on formal nights.

 

Formal night was the worse night for smoke in the casino on my last trip.

 

If they allow smoking they allow smoking - it is what it is. But I find it hard to call it "fair."

[algorithmannie]

Love the idea of limiting the smoking on the balconies. I sail almost exclusively now on Celebrity because my mother is very sensitive to smoke and it has limited our balcony use in the past. Why not have smoking and non-smoking balcony rooms on opposite sides of the ship?

[pirate52]

I don't want to inflame anyone here but since I am traveling with several smokers....just where can you smoke on the Freedom? We leave in 3 weeks. Thanks.

[negc]

the bartenders on the freedom said to to me they not making that much money becouse that what they saying,boleros before use be full all over on the freedom now its feel empty even the crew members or unhappy it like alot people where saying the way it was before it was find why change it,it feel like the non smokers is taking over the cruise line,anyway ill stay with the oasis and the liberty there smoking policy it fair

Is their addiction to smoking so great that they are actually williing to forego a beverage or two in Boleros or other bar where smoking is no longer permitted?:rolleyes: This argument about bars losing business because of smoking bans has been raised time and time again as communities and states have begun restricting the locations where smoking is permitted, and the bars and lounges whose imminent demise was predicted, are still doing a thriving business. Smokers will find a way to continue their social drinking while confining their smoking to locations where it is permitted. and bars which previously permitted smoking will become more attractive to those for whom the presence of smoke was a deterrent. Statistics in the US indicate that non-smokers outnumber smokers by a significant amount. Unless you believe that non-smokers are also non-drinkers, the bars needn't worry about lost business. Any losses due to smokers abandoning them will be more than offset by gains in the number of non-smokers who can now enjoy their beverages in a smoke-free environment.

Edited October 1, 2010 by negc

[startwin]

Where I live you cannot smoke in any bar or pub. At first there was an outcry that they would go out of business. Now you're lucky if you can get a seat at our local pub! They are all doing a thriving business.

[Ric-Flair]

I am not a smoker. Can't stand it really. However, I do have a question. is smoking REALLY that important to a person that he/she MUST SMOKE indoors? Why can't smokers go outside, light up, then come back indoors? I live in Florida, and this is an everyday thing here in restaraunts. Seems to work, because most places are packed.

[GEORGET]

please do not fall for this thread it is a wind up.

 

BY THE WAY IN THE UK PUBS ARE SHUTTING AT 6 A WEEK AFTER THE SMOKING BAN.

i am a non smoker and wonder what the problem is.

 

This thread is a wind up so please don't comment as it has been said before on many sites.

 

why was it also posted on other lines?

 

answer to bring the extremists out of both camps.

please ignore

 

I believe that RCCL are fair in the way they treat smokers, allowing certain bars and to smoke on the balconies, which they pay extra for, against an inside cabin price.

There sister Company is for the non smokers.

 

I live in an area where car fumes are killing more than passive smokers but nobody is asking for cars to be banned.

I own two cars and will fight to keep them, public transport is a joke where i live.

 

No way could my USA friends give up there cars either.

g

[Ric-Flair]

 

For some of us, this is the way it used to be.

[bogofman]

please do not fall for this thread it is a wind up.

 

 

why was it also posted on other lines?

 

 

I'm sorry to disapoint but it was a genuine question, and the reason for posting on other lines was to find out what its like from passengers who have actually used the line.

 

We have not tried NCL, RCL or Princess hence the questions before we decide which line to try next.

 

From the replies It seems that it won't be a problem for us on any.

 

Our main worry was/is from smoking in cabines since we have booked into hotels in the past and mistakenly not askd for a non smoking room.

 

It seems that they very good at removing the smells of stale smoke and old ash trays from cabines better than some hotel rooms. (in Europe)

[tip]

I believe that RCCL are fair in the way they treat smokers, allowing certain bars and to smoke on the balconies, which they pay extra for, against an inside cabin price.

 

 

Hello, I paid extra for my balcony as well and it was not to breathe second hand smoke!:mad:

[new seekers]

The boleros on the freedom of the seas is non smoking,the bar tender was telling me since they put boleros non smoking boleros been empty and they not making that much money,it group of 100 guest wrote to the hotel director that should put one side of the boleros smoking,i agree smokers pay the same amount as the non smokers and its not fare that the non smokers get to enjoy the whole ship and the smokers only have a little places to go,that on the freedom of the seas,but hopefully it will change some bars arent making money becouse of that

yes i heard that they are losing millions,i used to smoke and drank much more than i do now,non smokers dont spend as much at bars,so thats why they are cutting back on all areas ,the non smoking brigade have shot themselfs in the foot. now i dont smoke i save £175(english) a month on the tax,but some one has got to pay for that somewhere.(the non-smokers) if every one in the uk gave up every one in the country would have to pay 15% more income tax,they soon moan at that. yes and its true british pubs are going bust since the smoking ban 200,000 have lost there jobs because smokers are staying at home and buying there drink from the supermarkets, and buying drink at hlf the price.(so they can buy more cigs) ha ha ha.

Edited October 1, 2010 by new seekers

[Mark_K]

This has been my experience, too. Most smokers on the cruises I have been on have been very courteous about smoking in the designated areas, and I don't have a difficult time as a smoke-sensitive person avoiding those areas.

The main exception to that that I've seen is on the pool decks, etc. I think they're used to being able to smoke outside and don't think about it before lighting up.

[bogofman]

The smoking ban may have had a small influemce on Pub usage in the UK, but i noticed that they had been in decline well before the smoking ban.

 

Its a cultural change and there is no need for a pub on every corner anymore (in towns)

[BillOh]

There is no smoking in the cabins of Royal Caribbean ships -- a big plus -- and no smoking in most public areas (the casino is an exception). I did not like the fact that Royal permits smoking on the deck where the running track is located on the Freedom. You can smoke outdoors one on side of the deck.

I wish Royal didn't allow deck chairs on the running track. Smoking isn't a big issue up there, especially when the ship is moving.

[Single Cruiser]

The smoking ban may have had a small influemce on Pub usage in the UK, but i noticed that they had been in decline well before the smoking ban.

 

Its a cultural change and there is no need for a pub on every corner anymore (in towns)

 

The smoking ban has actually encouraged more pubs to offer dining alternatives and a lot more family friendly venues. Where I live there are more people going to these, the smokers congregate in gazebo type shelters outside..

[newtocruisingcdn]

How many none smokers enjoy sitting around a fireplace with a glass of fine wine..

or

enjoying the fry heat of a wood stove in their cottage......

 

No matter how well vented you can still smell the smoke....