Another couple booted....

[bostonbill]

We were in Key West on 4/19 aboard the Majesty of the seas and we were late departing the port. The Capt announced we were waiting for someone...so we all went to the rail to watch...Slowly 2 Customs Agents strolled onto the ship and then excorted a couple(with their luggage) off the ship. The curious thing is that once they were off the ship the Customs agents walked away and left the couple standing there by themselves...and boy was she giving him an earful!!!! So they didn't break a law BUT RCL didn't want them on the ship.....Anyone have more info???

[silentbob007]

Ouch ... not only were they kicked off, but they'd also have to pay the fine for traveling from US port to US port and debarking without a distant foreign port.

[klingoncruiser]

Ouch ... not only were they kicked off, but they'd also have to pay the fine for traveling from US port to US port and debarking without a distant foreign port.

 

LOL... that is correct.

[Jumbiecruiser]

Key West is the last stop on the Majesty's route. They visit Nassau and Coco Cay first.

[endymion6942]

Key West is the last stop on the Majesty's route. They visit Nassau and Coco Cay first.

Sounds like someone purchased an illegal souvenir in Nassau.:rolleyes: I have seen people busted on a cruise ship with my own eyes.

Betcha this thread gets crazy.:eek:

[lewnmarknva]

Sounds like someone purchased an illegal souvenir in Nassau.:rolleyes: I have seen people busted on a cruise ship with my own eyes.

Betcha this thread gets crazy.:eek:

 

New cruiser here... What is an illegal souvenier? I do NOT want to get kicked off FOS :D

[SuchAVirgo]

New cruiser here... What is an illegal souvenier? I do NOT want to get kicked off FOS :D

 

Probably drugs/guns and any illegal item. ???

[endymion6942]

Probably drugs/guns and any illegal item. ???

 

Exactly, I remember a guy in from of me in While we were for the tender, got busted. He had pot in an ice chest. I want to say this in Jamacia.

[bostonbill]

if it were illegal I think the customs people would of detained them..but they just walked away after the couple was off the ship.....so i'm guessing they did something on board that RCL didn't like....but it was 5pm on the last day of the cruise...what could they of done that was that bad!?!?!

[endymion6942]

New cruiser here... What is an illegal souvenier? I do NOT want to get kicked off FOS :D

Don't have any illegal drugs. Don't bring any weapons. don't bring anything that could/might cause a problem. In other words, read youre-docs from the cruise line. And just use your brain.:D

[Mark_K]

Ouch ... not only were they kicked off, but they'd also have to pay the fine for traveling from US port to US port and debarking without a distant foreign port.

It's the cruise line that gets fined, and I'm guessing in a case like this, they'll have a hard time getting reimbursed for it from the passengers.

[BND]

Could be any number of things that got them kicked off. Could be fighting/arguing with another passenger or crew member. Could be cheating in the casino. It could also be a domestic situation where no charges were brought. Now, if it was something illegal such as weapons or drugs, they would have been handed over to local authorities and not just left standing there. So, whatever it was, it wasn't something they were arrested over.

[silentbob007]

It's the cruise line that gets fined, and I'm guessing in a case like this, they'll have a hard time getting reimbursed for it from the passengers.

 

I know someone who has missed the ship in Key West because of a few too many at the bars ... I can tell you that the fine was most definitely passed on.

[endymion6942]

I know someone who has missed the ship in Key West because of a few too many at the bars ... I can tell you that the fine was most definitely passed on.

 

Silly question. If a dude got loaded in Key West, missed the ship. He is already back in the U.S. How could the cruise line be fined if he just got off early? He needs to rent a car to catch up with his luggage.

Or am I missing something?:)

[Gonzo70]

Silly question. If a dude got loaded in Key West, missed the ship. He is already back in the U.S. How could the cruise line be fined if he just got off early? He needs to rent a car to catch up with his luggage.

Or am I missing something?:)

 

Cabotage laws (the PVSA in this instance) prohibit foreign flagged vessels from transporting people from one U.S. city to another U.S. city unless a DISTANT foreign port is visited in between. Therefore if you start a cruise in one U.S. city and then end your cruise in Key West (a different U.S. city) and the ship does not travel to a distant foreign port (not any foreign port, needs to be a distant one such as South America, Europe etc.) then the PVSA has been violated. The ship is the one "officially" fined, but the fine is passed on to the passenger by the cruise line in most cases.

[Sheal]

Silly question. If a dude got loaded in Key West, missed the ship. He is already back in the U.S. How could the cruise line be fined if he just got off early? He needs to rent a car to catch up with his luggage.

Or am I missing something?:)

 

My guess would be that the stop in Key West was the 1st port and the person decided to go home rather than trying to meet the ship at it's next port. This person then missed the required foreign visit.

 

Sheal

[Jumbiecruiser]

My guess would be that the stop in Key West was the 1st port and the person decided to go home rather than trying to meet the ship at it's next port. This person then missed the required foreign visit.

 

Sheal

 

Key West was the last stop for this cruise. They visited Nassau and Coco Cay before.

[mo&fran]

Key West was the last stop for this cruise. They visited Nassau and Coco Cay before.

I do not think that these ports qualify as "distant foreign ports".

[Jumbiecruiser]

I do not think that these ports qualify as "distant foreign ports".

 

 

Nassau does qualify. If not then Royal and Carnival would be paying a penalty each week.

[endymion6942]

My guess would be that the stop in Key West was the 1st port and the person decided to go home rather than trying to meet the ship at it's next port. This person then missed the required foreign visit.

 

Sheal

I was thinking Key West was the last port. That is what confused me.

 

Sidebar, you would have to be a real idiot to get that loaded at your first port of call!

[mjldvlks]

Nassau does qualify. If not then Royal and Carnival would be paying a penalty each week.

The rules are different for round trip cruises. For round trips [like Majesty's typical 3/4 day cruise from and returning to Miami] the ship need only visit any foreign port, therefore Nassau counts. If you leave from one US port and land in another US port, then you must stop in a distant port. That is why all of the Panama Canal full transit cruises that begin in Florida and end in LA stop in Colombia or somewhere in South America. It is also why RCI's Hawaii cruises begin or end in Vancouver.

[mo&fran]

Nassau does qualify. If not then Royal and Carnival would be paying a penalty each week.

How so?

[Sheal]

Key West was the last stop for this cruise. They visited Nassau and Coco Cay before.

 

 

Sorry for the confusion. Silentbob007 was on a cruise where the guy missed the ship at Key West (1st port) and the ship passed on the fee to the offender.

 

Silentbob007, do you speak from personal experience?:eek:

 

Sheal

[richardb]

Cabotage laws (the PVSA in this instance) prohibit foreign flagged vessels from transporting people from one U.S. city to another U.S. city unless a DISTANT foreign port is visited in between. Therefore if you start a cruise in one U.S. city and then end your cruise in Key West (a different U.S. city) and the ship does not travel to a distant foreign port (not any foreign port, needs to be a distant one such as South America, Europe etc.) then the PVSA has been violated. The ship is the one "officially" fined, but the fine is passed on to the passenger by the cruise line in most cases.

 

 

Totally agree with you on what the law says, but would point out that Celebrity Century sails out of San Diego to Hawaii with the only foreign port visited being Ensenada (for 5 hours), only 75 miles south of San Diego. So I'm not sure how "distant" is defined.

[mjldvlks]

Totally agree with you on what the law says, but would point out that Celebrity Century sails out of San Diego to Hawaii with the only foreign port visited being Ensenada (for 5 hours), only 75 miles south of San Diego. So I'm not sure how "distant" is defined.

 

Just looked at Celebrity's site. They have two types of Hawaii cruises. One is the 15 night round trip from San Diego or LA. Since they are round trips, the stop in a near port such as Ensenada qualifies. The other type is the shorter [10 or 11 night] one way cruise. But these are listed as beginning or ending in Ensenada. Since the trip does not transport the passengers from one US port to another, the Act is not violated.