cruisinfanatic Posted February 13, 2013 #2451 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Celebrity ships actually have brakes, they are called azaipods. The propellers can actually turn through 360 degrees. The newer RCCI ships as well I believe. RCL ships have had those for over a decade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luv cruising 007 Posted February 13, 2013 #2452 Share Posted February 13, 2013 RCL ships have had those for over a decade Some RCL ships have azipods as well as some Carnival ships! 1st ever "Pod" of any brand name for cruise ship use was installed on the Carnival Elation But azipods probably wont work to slow down the ship if the power to generate them is down??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vols_159 Posted February 13, 2013 #2453 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Should it matter? How bout if the ship were sinking instead of stinking. One cruise should have been canceled, and the ship sent to pick up these poor people. How would you get from one ship to the other? MR Pete? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7toEleven Posted February 13, 2013 #2454 Share Posted February 13, 2013 How would you get from one ship to the other? MR Pete? Hmmm, wouldn't you transfer using the lifeboats just as you do when you can't dock? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Letmelivehereplease Posted February 13, 2013 #2455 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Hmmm, wouldn't you transfer using the lifeboats just as you do when you can't dock? No no no no. Lord no. I hate this site right now, and yet I can't turn away. Hahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhotoPete Posted February 13, 2013 #2456 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Lifeboats. I was on an aircraft carrier in the Navy. We would anchor out in the Med and take the ships small boats ashore. It would be no different than tendering. Ever been stuck on a ship dead in the water? It sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbalmr71 Posted February 13, 2013 #2457 Share Posted February 13, 2013 ...its got breaks... its broken now! ;) Ok, I meant the triumph has no breaks with propulsion being down which would be another reason another ship could not tow her safely alone. Sorry for any confusion. My point is that Amy single ship, Legend, tug or otherwise could only get her moving but not safely tow her due to lack of directional controll. It's just not like pullin a trailer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SociallyAwkward Posted February 13, 2013 #2458 Share Posted February 13, 2013 And thats your choice. I have been in many foreign countries and have never had one problem. Because you had a problem doesn't mean someone else will. Yes I was in the military but have also traveled non-military. Hence the reason used the word "I" and not "everyone". And while no, me having a problem doesn't have a correlation or causation to other people Someone, somewhere will have a passport issue, probably one person every day! My experience was that was an extremely expensive and difficult situation to deal with. In the case of the TRiumph, it is probably neither Expensive nor difficult for the passengers because it is such a large group and an emergent situation (I speak only of dealing with entering the country w/out a pp, I suspect the entire affair is both expensive and difficult for the passengers. I don't think there is anything wrong or even risky with doing the cl cruise with out a pp...I just won't because of my personal experience. And it's ok for everyone to evaluate their risk level and comfort with that level differently. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7toEleven Posted February 13, 2013 #2459 Share Posted February 13, 2013 No no no no. Lord no. I hate this site right now, and yet I can't turn away. Hahaha But, as long as the seas are calm, what would be the difference between transferring to a different ship, then it is when tendering into a port? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ducklite Posted February 13, 2013 #2460 Share Posted February 13, 2013 But it is news when a bunch of people urinate in shower stalls? Because it's 3000 mostly Americans stuck on a floating cesspool. Big difference between that and a single worker in an unfortunate work related accident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2013LibertyCruiser Posted February 13, 2013 #2461 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Just tossing this out there: In the face of this, Carnival will obviously still want people to book cruises for the rest of the year...so as a result, does anyone think their prices might go down for a while? For those of us with cruises booked later this year, what about those prices decreasing in the meantime? I am no expert, however, I do know you cannot tow a ship of that size that is completely disabled with only one other vessel regardless of the size. Mostly because of directional controll or lack thereof. Cruise ships at broadside have massive amounts of sail area and are greatly impacted by wind. If you were on the bridge for any length of time you would be surprised how often it is not "rudder amidships" and just how much "steering" must be done to compensate for wind, drift and current. Not to mention the no brakes factor. This happens in the Great Lakes every day. Tugs tow gigantic disabled freighters on a regular basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ducklite Posted February 13, 2013 #2462 Share Posted February 13, 2013 At least two other Carnival cruise ships have been diverted to the Triumph to leave supplies. Why could not one of those ship tow Triumph. Bigger, faster and more power than tug boats, and was there before tug boats. Not more towing power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vols_159 Posted February 13, 2013 #2463 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Lifeboats. I was on an aircraft carrier in the Navy. We would anchor out in the Med and take the ships small boats ashore. It would be no different than tendering. Ever been stuck on a ship dead in the water? It sucks. Could the lifeboats reach 120 miles to shore?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbiecruiser Posted February 13, 2013 #2464 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Because it's 3000 mostly Americans stuck on a floating cesspool. Big difference between that and a single worker in an unfortunate work related accident. Some don't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ducklite Posted February 13, 2013 #2465 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Sorry to say... better change your itinerary. It takes about 2 weeks to change an engine AFTER arriving at dry dock. (change and shake-down) I try to tell people this earlier and was rebuffed. The engine will also have to be built, it's not like they keep spares sitting on the shelf. Then it will need to be transported. I expect that this is a minimum three month process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spencercoop Posted February 13, 2013 #2466 Share Posted February 13, 2013 they can't "change" an engine. They are built into the ship as it goes up. It will be repaired Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they change out one of the Splendor's engines? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deborahjo Posted February 13, 2013 #2467 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they change out on of the Splendor's engines? Yes they did. Had to cut a hole in the side of the side to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pam Posted February 13, 2013 #2468 Share Posted February 13, 2013 I don't remember reports of raw sewage sloshing around on Splendor when it caught fire and had no power. Was it just kept quieter, or did they manage things differently? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deborahjo Posted February 13, 2013 #2469 Share Posted February 13, 2013 I don't remember reports of raw sewage sloshing around on Splendor when it caught fire and had no power. Was it just kept quieter, or did they manage things differently? You are correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dockmaster Posted February 13, 2013 #2471 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Next time you on on a cruise ship, go find a tow bitt with bollard pull strong enough to hook up a tow line, witch they don't have anyway. You wont. Cruise ship nor the crew aren't made, equipped nor trained for towing. The Triumph is probably being towed with 2000 or more feet of cable hooked to a towing machine on the tug. Its probably secured to the Triumphs anchor chain either singularly or via a bridle. One tug can absolutely tow a vessel this size, its done every day somewhere in the world. Look at the picture infact.....The other tug onscene can be used to stop it. The ships rudders can manually be put to amidships and the vessel will track the towline. When the tow gets to the vicinity of Mobile, more tugs will be brought along side, the tow will be shortened, and the ship will be towed up the 20 mile Mobile ship channel and moor it. This operation, again happens all the time in every port. Thats why their called professional mariners and your called passengers!! billd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg222 Posted February 13, 2013 #2472 Share Posted February 13, 2013 I was looking up one of the Tug boats (Resolve Pioneer) that is on its way to Triumph. It's a big monster. Here are some of it's stats ...(http://www.resolveservices.com/pdf/Vessels/Resolve%20Pioneer.pdf). It looks like it would be towing at around 4-5mph. Last known location looks like it's on its way to the Triumph (http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/default.aspx?oldmmsi=367303490&zoom=10&olddate=lastknown). Can't find anything info about the Dabhol tow and steer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruisinfanatic Posted February 13, 2013 #2473 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Could the lifeboats reach 120 miles to shore?? You want to see REALLY sick people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare broberts Posted February 13, 2013 #2474 Share Posted February 13, 2013 At least two other Carnival cruise ships have been diverted to the Triumph to leave supplies. Why could not one of those ship tow Triumph. Bigger, faster and more power than tug boats, and was there before tug boats. Neither of the relief vessels were built or are equipped to tow. Both need more power just to move themselves, may not have enough left over for another ship Towing a ship involves different physics than propelling it. The top safe tow speed is typically much lower than the cruise speed of the vessel being towed. Since Triumph has limited ability to steer more than one tow vessel is likely needed Using a cruise ship to tow would impact the passengers on or booked to be on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruisinfanatic Posted February 13, 2013 #2475 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Next time you on on a cruise ship, go find a tow bitt with bollard pull strong enough to hook up a tow line, witch they don't have anyway. You wont. Cruise ship nor the crew aren't made, equipped nor trained for towing.The Triumph is probably being towed with 2000 or more feet of cable hooked to a towing machine on the tug. Its probably secured to the Triumphs anchor chain either singularly or via a bridle. One tug can absolutely tow a vessel this size, its done every day somewhere in the world. Look at the picture infact.....The other tug onscene can be used to stop it. The ships rudders can manually be put to amidships and the vessel will track the towline. When the tow gets to the vicinity of Mobile, more tugs will be brought along side, the tow will be shortened, and the ship will be towed up the 20 mile Mobile ship channel and moor it. This operation, again happens all the time in every port. Thats why their called professional mariners and your called passengers!! billd Thank You!One of the few posts on this thread that I am confident is true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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