Fire on Carnival Triumph. No engines, running on emergency generators.

[dclark]

Oh gosh really???? Maybe they should gound all "foreign flagged" cruise ships including ships from your favorite cruise line! Ships need to be safe or they cant be insured & us cruisers cant board them! So i think NOT!

 

The Splendor fire 30 months ago is one reason, the Triumph is another. There is no evidence that CCL hasn't cut back on maintenance and their insistence on sending out ships like the Triumph that have documented mechanical problems casts doubt that their fleet is sea worthy.

I think it is great that the american taxpayer is paying the bill for the USCG to drop a generator and other supplies to the aid of this greedy corporation, However, what would happen if this occurred with a hurricane nearby? How many ships need to be stranded in the middle of nowhere, subjecting 1000's of passengers to hardship and disease, until you would agree that the ships and their logs should be inspected? How much is safety worth to you?

[IcePrincessKCL]

Wow, just watched the press event with the VP of Carnival.

 

It really doesn't sound like they are going to do much for the crew...

 

That is absolutely TERRIBLE

 

They did the same for the crew that was on the Splendor!

[Rasvar]

I have been on many cruises and I can't tell you how many times they anchor out away from the dock/port and they tender ALL passengers into the dock. (This is world wide) Are you saying that this is unsafe? Are you saying that it is placing passengers at risk? My goodness then the maritime community better look into this practice at once and stop it immediately for safety sake.

 

This has been beaten to a dead horse. You might want to check this out. http://www.cnbc.com/id/100462009

 

There is a huge difference between tendering in a bay with an anchored vessel when compared to a ship with no control in the open ocean.

[Travelgrrl]

I have been on many cruises and I can't tell you how many times they anchor out away from the dock/port and they tender ALL passengers into the dock. (This is world wide) Are you saying that this is unsafe? Are you saying that it is placing passengers at risk? My goodness then the maritime community better look into this practice at once and stop it immediately for safety sake.

 

Sigh. Scroll back a little.

 

Short version: without stabilizers etc -not safe or easy at all.

[Rixnsd]

Actually that would be 90 degrees assuming I read that right. That said, while I doubt it was actually 45 degrees in reality, if you are on an upper deck of a dark disabled ship listing even 10 degrees its going to FEEL like 45.

 

45 degrees is 1/2 the way to being completely sideways. Of course that isn't possible without the ship capsizing or being near capsizing. Concordia isn't even at that level. Think of a circle which is 360 degrees, 1/8 of the way around is 45 degrees. Also consider driving when you see signs that say WARNING 6% grade, etc., that is probably closer to the truth.

[shof515]

2.2 miles away..almost there

[airmj2123]

I have been on many cruises and I can't tell you how many times they anchor out away from the dock/port and they tender ALL passengers into the dock. (This is world wide) Are you saying that this is unsafe? Are you saying that it is placing passengers at risk? My goodness then the maritime community better look into this practice at once and stop it immediately for safety sake.

 

Anchoring is only possible at certain depths (150 miles from land, it was not possible). Also, they tend to only tender in seas that are calm (many tender ports are not calm) and use the ship to block wind (not possible without power). Even in 3-6 foot seas and some wind, tendering is very dangerous. BTW Coast Guard (not just CCL) said this was not a viable option.

[cheewiee]

I have been on many cruises and I can't tell you how many times they anchor out away from the dock/port and they tender ALL passengers into the dock. (This is world wide) Are you saying that this is unsafe? Are you saying that it is placing passengers at risk? My goodness then the maritime community better look into this practice at once and stop it immediately for safety sake.

 

Yes, your at anchor in port, if the seas are calm tendering in can be safe... However if you have ever had your ports of call shuffled or cancelled due to sea conditions, you know how dangerous it can potentially be.

 

Transferring 3,200 passengers from a dead ship in the middle of the gulf presents FAR many more risks than to keep everyone on the ship. I for one wouldn't have wanted to tender in those conditions.

[DryCreek]

I have been on many cruises and I can't tell you how many times they anchor out away from the dock/port and they tender ALL passengers into the dock. (This is world wide) Are you saying that this is unsafe? Are you saying that it is placing passengers at risk? My goodness then the maritime community better look into this practice at once and stop it immediately for safety sake.

 

30 miles from the dock? 100 miles from the dock? In the middle of the Gulf? And, did you happen to lug ALL of your baggage with you each time you tendered in? Was each trip against a 20 knot headwind? In the dark? Up a narrow shipping channel?

 

Just curious. Not sayin' it can't be done.

[Beth C]

I have been following along like many this week but I have to say while the situation is more than horrible i'm glad to see the photos emerging and that it's not as bad as our good friends at CNN etc have been making it seem. The majority of the photos have people that don't look in complete despair - uncomfortable, exhausted yes but not like they're being tortured to death. I for one know there is absolutely no way I would be walking around in my flip flops if there was "rivers of raw sewage" floating down the hall and most people seem to be wearing them. I would have my sneakers/dressy shoes/every pair of socks I could get my hands on on my feet!

 

Here's hoping they'll all be in a nice hot steamy shower in the next few hours!

[Rixnsd]

I just checked - Costa Concordia was at 20 degrees list or 70 degrees from heel - meaning it is still 20 degrees list.

[reallyitsmema]

Wow, just watched the press event with the VP of Carnival.

 

It really doesn't sound like they are going to do much for the crew...

 

That is absolutely TERRIBLE

Did you see how the guy jumped in and didn't let him answer the question about lost wages for passengers? I would guess that was a lawyer making sure the marketing VP didn't say too much.

[DGP1111]

Press conference brought to an end as reporter asking about compensation for passengers' lost wages.

 

Yep, Jim Berra (the one who stepped in an abruptly said, "We've got to go") realized Terry was about to get painted into a corner if they stayed even one moment longer.

 

Literal meaning of the term 'Carnival Barker'

 

Step right up, folks.

 

[MaryZ]

I think they should hand each passenger a tshirt as they disembark.

"I Triumphed over the Triumph"

[Oceangrace]

There is a difference between putting out an anchor near shore where the water is less than 100 feet deep and the middle of the gulf where the water is more like several thousand feet deep..

I have been on many cruises and I can't tell you how many times they anchor out away from the dock/port and they tender ALL passengers into the dock. (This is world wide) Are you saying that this is unsafe? Are you saying that it is placing passengers at risk? My goodness then the maritime community better look into this practice at once and stop it immediately for safety sake.

[dwjoe]

I have been reading this thread for 2 days. My son is a musician on the Triumph. They have performed every day in the casino. I talked to him an hour ago and he had just finished a 2 hour set. He has been working all night some nights on "flashlight duty." He worked facilitating customs today. They really are trying to keep things as positive as possible.

 

Welcome to cruise critic. We've not had too many crew accounts so it's nice to read your post. Props to your son for keeping up morale in a difficult situation.:)

[coachnip13]

I have been on many cruises and I can't tell you how many times they anchor out away from the dock/port and they tender ALL passengers into the dock. (This is world wide) Are you saying that this is unsafe? Are you saying that it is placing passengers at risk? My goodness then the maritime community better look into this practice at once and stop it immediately for safety sake.

 

Welcome to earth, where this point has been shattered dozens of times in this thread alone.

 

Tell us about the times when your ship anchored at sea and transferred people onto tender boats in a rolling ocean. Thanks in advance.

[deborahjo]

They did the same for the crew that was on the Splendor!

 

Short contract crew full compensated for contract and sent home.

 

Long term contract will be sent to another ship.

 

No one out any money. That is the crew will not loose wages per Thorton, VP of Marketing.

[broberts]

I have been on many cruises and I can't tell you how many times they anchor out away from the dock/port and they tender ALL passengers into the dock. (This is world wide) Are you saying that this is unsafe? Are you saying that it is placing passengers at risk? My goodness then the maritime community better look into this practice at once and stop it immediately for safety sake.

 

Tendering in relatively calm in-shore waters from a ship that can actually maintain its station is quite different than tendering from a powerless ship in 6 foot swells.

[shof515]

Yep, Jim Berra (the one who stepped in an abruptly said, "We've got to go") realized Terry was about to get painted into a corner if they stayed even one moment longer.

 

Literal meaning of the term 'Carnival Barker'

 

Step right up, folks.

 

 

i noticed they did the same thing in the earlier press conference they had earlier in the day. why are they soo brief

[VK3DQ]

Full details of Carnival Triumphs certification may be found here

 

http://psix.uscg.mil/PSIX/PSIXDetails.aspx?VesselID=495593

 

 

readers will see that all of the required certificates were up to date

 

 

Regards

 

John Fisher Royal Navy (retired)

[luv cruising 007]

The Splendor fire 30 months ago is one reason, the Triumph is another. There is no evidence that CCL hasn't cut back on maintenance and their insistence on sending out ships like the Triumph that have documented mechanical problems casts doubt that their fleet is sea worthy.

I think it is great that the american taxpayer is paying the bill for the USCG to drop a generator and other supplies to the aid of this greedy corporation, However, what would happen if this occurred with a hurricane nearby? How many ships need to be stranded in the middle of nowhere, subjecting 1000's of passengers to hardship and disease, until you would agree that the ships and their logs should be inspected? How much is safety worth to you?

 

Worth enough that i wouldnt want US bureaucrats controlling the cruise industry cause when you wanna investigate carnival you gotta investigate all "foreign flagged" cruise lines! If you google incidents on cruise ships "ALL" cruise lines have blips & the industry drydock average is 3 years in which all cruise line obey, not sooner cause of the bottom line of ANY cruise line! & speculation, who said the propulsion issues caused this! SPECULATION! & too much of that on here

[Mousehouse14]

Received a lot of text messages and phone calls from my wife today.

 

One thing she wanted everyone to know is that the crew on the Triumph made this situation a lot better. They did everything they could to help everyone.

 

The one thing I can say on this end of this deal is sitting at home or at work and only getting maybe one update per day by recorded message isn't enough. That is corporate and needs to change.

 

Carnival employees on the Triumph I thank you for taking care of my wife and her best friends.

 

Corporate I am not pleased how you are handling this situation and you need to look at how you handle things like this in the future.

[shof515]

Full details of Carnival Triumphs certification may be found here

 

http://psix.uscg.mil/PSIX/PSIXDetails.aspx?VesselID=495593

 

 

readers will see that all of the required certificates were up to date

 

 

Regards

 

John Fisher Royal Navy (retired)

most of them look like they expired. only one of them seems current

 

less then 1 mile to go

[Rasvar]

I will say this, there very well could be a design flaw with these ships seeing that there have been two very similar failures in the last two years. I am hoping that the NTSB tries to compare and contrast this failure with the Splendor failure to see if there is a commonality. If this is found and is included in the report, it will pretty much force Carnival to do something about this no matter what it costs.