No smoking on balconys?

[Mapleleafforever]

Some of the comments on this thread are amusing, if not sad. To think RCI can't or won't enforce this is idiotic. Go ahead and keep believing that nonsense. Just look at Celebrity and Princess. This same exact debate took place when their policies went into affect. Now, you light up on one of those balconies and staff sees you or you are reported, it's an immediate fine. The same thing will happen on RCI.

 

To the non smokers, you won. There's no sense arguing with rude smokers who think the policy doesn't apply to them. Their inability to be courteous is exactly why this policy now exists. Why would they act any different on an anonymous website? They can only blame themselves for it. They'll never see it, but we know better. So let's just let it be. Again, we won.

 

We haven't won yet. There are still smoking sections on board. For now that is.....give it time, it'll come.

[A&L_Ont]

Ah, the smoking thread is a distraction from the Noro boards.

[RDC1]

Yes but to what degree? The article you mentioned said that PAH levels increase by 20% to 148. For comparison, PAH levels in a house using a wood-burning fireplace is around 5000. EPA safe workplace levels are 200. And they're pretty strict.

 

So technically you may be correct, but we need to have a threshold for these things, else where does it end? Lack of sleep is unhealthy, so what is a loud passenger wakes me up? Obesity is transmitted across social networks (even if a friend of a friend is obese, you are measurably more likely to be obese as well.) What about noise, other pollutants, etc? Or even the aggravation of being cut in line! Stress is bad for you also.

 

So let's be reasonable. It'd be a tough world to live in if anything that anyone could do to harm you no matter how slightly was banned.

 

 

That change was from a limited impact of 9 in a well ventilated room. So let take the level of 200. If 9 can raise it to 147 what is the cutoff before you reach the level of 200. Are the inside areas of a cruise ship well or fully ventilated? If you allow it inside then how do you manage the number to keep the level acceptable to OSHA standards?

 

Let take PM2.5. Particulates in that size are tied to increase stroke, heart and lung issues. Especially in the elderly. Looking at cruise ship demographics you have a population that fits into the at risk category. This is far more critical then is the PAH. Note the study had PM2.5 at 197ug/m3. The EPA standards for environmental action needing to be taken when an area averages over 12ug/m3.

 

PM2.5 penetrates deeper into the lung than does PM10, potentially causing greater adverse health effects (AAPCEH 2003; Schwartz and Neas 2000). Several recently published community epidemiologic studies associated adverse effects when PM2.5 formed a significant portion of the particulate exposure, even though PM10 air concentrations were below NAAQS. Medication use, hospital admissions, and the number of emergency room visits (seen primarily with elderly patients and individuals with cardiopulmonary disease) increased under those conditions (Ware et al. 1986; Dockery et al. 1989).

 

Should we continue into some of the other items.

 

As I said I don't see an issue with e-cigs outdoors. Indoors in a closed environment I do. The study used a mix of non-nicotine containing and nicotine containing.

[poncho1973]

Obesity is transmitted across social networks (even if a friend of a friend is obese, you are measurably more likely to be obese as well.)

 

So you can't be friends with fat people? That's harsh, bro. Harsh.

 

Hehehe.. I'm just messing with you. I know that's not what you are saying.

[riclop]

I thought that was something that was allowed on most cruise lines (all of mine) if this is the case whats a smoker supposed to do?

 

also, wut about that electric cigs?

No smoking on balcony"s HIP HIP HOORAY!!!!

[Retired LEO]

and if the staff doesn't see you and you are not reported..

 

smoke 'em if you got 'em

 

Stand back away from the railing and behind the partition and nothing to report if you're not seen.

[McCruiser33]

I imagine you'll see more passengers complaining if people continue to smoke on the balconies despite the new policy. Only a matter of time before being caught and fined. Is $250 worth the risk?

[MaritimeR&R]

I wonder what people who smoke did on the EOS and whether RCCL would fine them if they were on their balcony.

[bala1130]

and if the staff doesn't see you and you are not reported..

 

smoke 'em if you got 'em

 

 

I'm sure the staff won't see you smoking in your cabin. Why don't you give that a try and see what that gets you.

[Toddcan]

Ah, the smoking thread is a distraction from the Noro boards.

 

[American Bear]

I used to smoke, 2 packs a day for years, then quit without any problem because the price seemed stupid to continue, just my opinion!

What smokers should understand is non-smokers don't mind if you smoke, just as long as we don't have to smell it!

On a balcony, your smoke will be smelled by others, so its not so much about protecting your rights as to protecting the rights of those who also bought a balcony to enjoy and don't want to smell smoke!

If the cruise line allows smoking on balconies, then non-smokers know this ahead of time, and its the non-smokers decision on whether to buy or not! But if the cruise line says no smoking on balconies, then if caught, its bye-bye in my opinion, put off te ship at the next stop just like someone causing a fight, etc.! Because the smoker knows ahead of time the rules say no smoking on balconies before they buy! Its called responsibility, and its our opinion we should all be responsible for our actions, especially when we know ahead of time the rules!

[Sherlock43031]

I'm sure the staff won't see you smoking in your cabin. Why don't you give that a try and see what that gets you.

 

again poor reading comprehension. no one said anything about smoking in a room.

 

whatifitis is spreading fast.

[Thoie]

I used to smoke, 2 packs a day for years, then quit without any problem because the price seemed stupid to continue, just my opinion!

What smokers should understand is non-smokers don't mind if you smoke, just as long as we don't have to smell it!

 

Congrats on quitting

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If the cruise line allows smoking on balconies, then non-smokers know this ahead of time, and its the non-smokers decision on whether to buy or not!

That was previously the situation, yet an extremely vocal minority of non-smokers never stopped whining, even though they knew in advance that smoking was allowed. I don't think I ever heard a non-smoker say "Well, you knew it was a possibility in advance, so shut up".

Its called responsibility, and its our opinion we should all be responsible for our actions, especially when we know ahead of time the rules!

RCCI has caused themselves (and their passengers) a problem by the timing of their new smoking policy. Let's say there's a cruise departing in April. There are smokers out there who deliberately booked a balcony last summer, or earlier, on the basis that smoking was allowed, but who now find it has changed. There are non-smokers who made a booking in November (for our April cruise), and deliberately picked a balcony, on the basis that smoking is not allowed.

 

While it seems that Americans are allowed alter bookings/get deposits refunded, this is not the case for everyone, so the smoker who booked early is now stuck with a more expensive cabin that they only picked because they could smoke there.

 

I still maintain it would have been more reasonable to pick a switchover date to coincide with cruises that had not yet been put on sale. That way, everyone booking that holiday would have known before purchase exactly what the rules were.

[Mapleleafforever]

I used to smoke, 2 packs a day for years, then quit without any problem because the price seemed stupid to continue, just my opinion!

What smokers should understand is non-smokers don't mind if you smoke, just as long as we don't have to smell it!

On a balcony, your smoke will be smelled by others, so its not so much about protecting your rights as to protecting the rights of those who also bought a balcony to enjoy and don't want to smell smoke!

If the cruise line allows smoking on balconies, then non-smokers know this ahead of time, and its the non-smokers decision on whether to buy or not! But if the cruise line says no smoking on balconies, then if caught, its bye-bye in my opinion, put off te ship at the next stop just like someone causing a fight, etc.! Because the smoker knows ahead of time the rules say no smoking on balconies before they buy! Its called responsibility, and its our opinion we should all be responsible for our actions, especially when we know ahead of time the rules!

 

Congratulations on quitting, I understand how hard it can be.

[bala1130]

again poor reading comprehension. no one said anything about smoking in a room.

 

whatifitis is spreading fast.

 

No issue with reading comprehension, just making a point using simple logic:

Smoking in your room is against ship policy and smoking on your balcony is against ship policy.

- You're saying if the staff doesn't catch you smoking on your balcony, then it's OK to do it. That implies if the staff doesn't catch you smoking in your cabin, then it's OK to do it. There is no difference in smoking either place.

[Mapleleafforever]

No issue with reading comprehension, just making a point using simple logic:

Smoking in your room is against ship policy and smoking on your balcony is against ship policy.

- You're saying if the staff doesn't catch you smoking on your balcony, then it's OK to do it. That implies if the staff doesn't catch you smoking in your cabin, then it's OK to do it. There is no difference in smoking either place.

 

There you are using basic logic. Some people simply don't understand that.

[poncho1973]

No issue with reading comprehension, just making a point using simple logic:

Smoking in your room is against ship policy and smoking on your balcony is against ship policy.

- You're saying if the staff doesn't catch you smoking on your balcony, then it's OK to do it. That implies if the staff doesn't catch you smoking in your cabin, then it's OK to do it. There is no difference in smoking either place.

 

It has become glaringly obvious that Sherlock is just trolling, using the exact same "reading comprehension" comment for every reply and not actually replying to any comments.

 

It's time to go the Forrest Gump route on them.

[springfire]

No issue with reading comprehension, just making a point using simple logic:

Smoking in your room is against ship policy and smoking on your balcony is against ship policy.

- You're saying if the staff doesn't catch you smoking on your balcony, then it's OK to do it. That implies if the staff doesn't catch you smoking in your cabin, then it's OK to do it. There is no difference in smoking either place.

 

Smoking in your room will stink out your room and likely result in an extra cleaning charge. Over the last several years smokers have learned they can not smoke anywhere inside. Smoking out on the balcony, while against cruise line rules, will likely result in nothing being done against them. Unless the person is next to you it is so hard to see or know where the smoke is coming from. I will be on the Allure next month and am curious to know if I will notice anyone smoking out on the balcony. We had some friends come off the ship this week and they complained that they thought more people now smoke on balcony because they have less areas on the ship to smoke. The good news is outside of the casino they did not smell any smoke on the ship except on their balcony.

[LetsGetWet!]

I don't understand y a non smoker would click on this tread.

 

I'll be happy to answer that, although I've studiously avoided jumping into the argument! ;)

 

I'm a non-smoker and clicked on the thread because I'm VERY interested in whether or not smoking is allowed on balconies - at least the balconies adjacent to my balcony! :)

 

Having said that, if e-cig usage by others in their rooms and on their balconies is the biggest worry I have during a cruise, than life is good indeed! :D

[LetsGetWet!]

They do have different flavors, but I doubt somebody is going to complain that they smell green apple on their balcony. They are much safer than the real thing. What's next banning nicotine gum and patches?

 

Very well put, I totally agree.

 

People need to lighten up, it's WATER VAPOR, it's not going to kill you, and if it helps somebody stop smoking regular cigs, it's a good thing.

 

Sorry, you kind of ruined your argument there, its NOT water vapor, as has been explained and linked to many times in this thread already.

[LetsGetWet!]

First off, I'm not a smoker, I have never smoked.

 

Second, if you use an E-Cig you aren't smoking, you are emitting water vapor.

Third, it doesn't justify it, it's breaking a potentially deadly habit with a harmless one.

 

Fourth, do you really think it is not possible for Royal Caribbean to have a bad rule? I agree that they get to choose the rules, but that doesn't mean we must agree like brainless loyalists.

 

And finally, should candy cigarettes be banned? They too can give the appearance of smoking.

 

My point being that it is not smoke, and is harmless (especially second hand).

 

 

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You tend to lose all credibility when you continue glibly stating things which are completely false. Its NOT water vapor, and has definitely not been proven to be harmless, although its generally considered to be much less harmful than cigarettes.

[LetsGetWet!]

I just pay no mind to the people complaining about smoking in a smoking area. The have 95% of the world (or ship) to roam about. I don't invade their area , don't invade mine.

 

Well stated. As a non-smoker, I would never make myself look like a moron by complaining about smoking in a designated smoking area! :rolleyes:

[LetsGetWet!]

I have vaped in RCI inside cabins and in front of staff while in inside areas, RCI cannot charge a $250 fine for vaping because that fine/charge has no justification.

 

Best of luck with that.

 

Haha, exactly. Its kind of like when you were a kid and asked your parents "why" they imposed a certain rule or restriction on you. "Because I'm the parent!"

 

Its a "fine" and they most certainly CAN charge it to you, since its clearly spelled out in the rules you agreed to before boarding the ship!

[LetsGetWet!]

Hardest thing I ever did in my life was quit smoking. The second hardest is trying to loose all the weight I gained after quitting. LOL.

 

I think people complained about smoke coming up to their balcony from smokers below. Why don't they make smoking balcony's on the highest deck and a separate section say the back corner of the ship?

 

Actually not a bad suggestion at all...

[Aquahound]

You know you got a hot topic when it makes people create alias screen names! ;)