tim22361 Posted January 27, 2016 #3026 Share Posted January 27, 2016 290 Days...... Until I am exhaling aromatic billows of smoke from expensive cigars over every square (allowable) inch of the Koningsdam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Tom-n-Cheryl Posted January 27, 2016 #3027 Share Posted January 27, 2016 (edited) 290 Days...... Until I am exhaling aromatic billows of smoke from expensive cigars over every square (allowable) inch of the Koningsdam. The term aromatic, however, is relative - but I can understand looking forward to something you find pleasurable. If there were changes afoot in company policy, you'd think that HAL would implement them on the Koningsdam - so far, crickets... Edit: We're on the sailing immediately following yours... close, but no cigar! ;) Tom Edited January 27, 2016 by Tom-n-Cheryl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim22361 Posted January 27, 2016 #3028 Share Posted January 27, 2016 The term aromatic, however, is relative - but I can understand looking forward to something you find pleasurable. If there were changes afoot in company policy, you'd think that HAL would implement them on the Koningsdam - so far, crickets... Edit: We're on the sailing immediately following yours... close, but no cigar! ;) Tom Haha. Well, hopefully they won't change their policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catl331 Posted January 27, 2016 #3029 Share Posted January 27, 2016 If there were changes afoot in company policy, you'd think that HAL would implement them on the Koningsdam - so far, crickets...Maybe a non-smoking casino on the Eurodam is a test - and we can still hope for a balcony smoking ban on the big K! I would think if that was going to happen it would have been announced before bookings opened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HELENPSL Posted January 27, 2016 #3030 Share Posted January 27, 2016 I was on the Zuiderdam from Jan. 4 - Jan. 15. I asked if they were going to have non-smoking nights in the casino. I was told they tried it over the Christmas/New Year's cruise but then went back to the regular smoking in the casino policy. There were no smoke-free nights on my cruise. Helen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizzie68 Posted January 27, 2016 #3031 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Yeah, I guess. I'd still rather they eliminate it from balconies instead though. I agree. they can pollute the air in the casino all they like, but I prefer they not pollute the pristine sea air and my balcony space - but HAL doesn't make any money out of that. They need to entice more spenders into the casino because obviously they are not making enough with deterring the non-smokers. We just have to be patient. Eventually it will happen and we will be able to enjoy smoke-free balconies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sail7seas Posted January 27, 2016 #3032 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Yeah, I guess. I'd still rather they eliminate it from balconies instead though. I agree. I can easily bypass the casino but I pay dearly to enjoy my verandah and am reluctant to take the risk of paying 200% for my suite and not being able to use by verandah. Sailing as a solo now, the verandah means more to me than ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ithaca gal Posted January 28, 2016 #3033 Share Posted January 28, 2016 This is a big win for us as we spend a lot of time in the casino. We have a verandah room but always book a cabana too. It's a small price to pay for a smoke free space! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennicott Posted January 28, 2016 #3034 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Here is HAL's current published smoking rules as part of their cruise contract with already booked guests. It seems that if they have made some recent significant changes, such as no casino smoking on the Eurodam, that would be reflected herein: "Is Smoking Allowed On Board? For the comfort of all of our guests, all staterooms (cabins), showrooms and most other indoor areas are designated non-smoking. While smoking is not permitted in staterooms, guests are allowed to smoke on stateroom verandahs. Smoking is also permitted on certain other designated, outside decks. The designated smoking areas for all ships are as follows unless otherwise noted: Stateroom verandahs Sea View Bar (not available on ms Rotterdam and ms Veendam) Outside Decks Sports Deck Observation Deck (ms Prinsendam, ms Eurodam, ms Nieuw Amsterdam, ms Noordam, ms Oosterdam, ms Westerdam, and ms Zuiderdam only) Casino Active players only, when the casino is open Designated slot machines only Each sailing will offer one or more non-smoking nights depending upon the length of the voyage Cigar and pipe smoking is not allowed anywhere inside the ship; it is only permitted on the outside decks where smoking is otherwise allowed and on stateroom verandahs. Electronic cigarettes are permitted in staterooms but not in other public areas of the ship other than on outside decks designated as smoking areas. Any guest who smokes inside staterooms in violation of our policy will be charged a US$250 cleaning fee per day of violation. Holland America Line reserves the right at any time to modify the smoking policy onboard or alter the locations where smoking is permissible." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sun~ Posted January 28, 2016 #3035 Share Posted January 28, 2016 I think change is coming on HAL. About time. I just got off the NA on Sunday on the LRBC charter. I was very upset that the few smokers onboard were not respectful of the majority. It only took 5 or 6 numbskulls to pollute the air at the pool deck. The smokers were supposed to stay on the port side of the pool deck. Some jerks smoked on the starboard side. Please bear in mind, during this cruise, the pool is covered over and becomes a dance floor. So there can easily be 1000 people (or more) out there for a show. The disrespectful smokers upset dozens of people around them. Sadly, the president of the charter did nothing. I spoke to a senior officer (Dutch, tall, salt & pepper hair, beard, late 50's, I don't recall his name), complaining about the lack if enforcement. He told me it was up to the charter. However, the balcony smoking is HAL's policy. I told him that I was upset that HAL still allows smoking on the balconies. He told me, without a doubt, that this will end. It will not be allowed on the Kongindam. He was pretty darn sure. For those with upcoming cruises, ask a senior officer. Looks like there will be changes. Yay! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruz chic Posted January 28, 2016 #3036 Share Posted January 28, 2016 I think change is coming on HAL. About time. I just got off the NA on Sunday on the LRBC charter. I was very upset that the few smokers onboard were not respectful of the majority. It only took 5 or 6 numbskulls to pollute the air at the pool deck. The smokers were supposed to stay on the port side of the pool deck. Some jerks smoked on the starboard side. Please bear in mind, during this cruise, the pool is covered over and becomes a dance floor. So there can easily be 1000 people (or more) out there for a show. The disrespectful smokers upset dozens of people around them. Sadly, the president of the charter did nothing. I spoke to a senior officer (Dutch, tall, salt & pepper hair, beard, late 50's, I don't recall his name), complaining about the lack if enforcement. He told me it was up to the charter. However, the balcony smoking is HAL's policy. I told him that I was upset that HAL still allows smoking on the balconies. He told me, without a doubt, that this will end. It will not be allowed on the Kongindam. He was pretty darn sure. For those with upcoming cruises, ask a senior officer. Looks like there will be changes. Yay! That sounds great but it's too late for the koningsdam inaugural cruises. Iirc the first cruise leaves mid April. Hal would have to give at least 90 days notice so it's too late for the first cruise. I do hope the end is near. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sail7seas Posted January 28, 2016 #3037 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Why does HAL have to give 90 days notice if they change the smoking policy? They can allow cancellations by smokers who don't approve the change if it is after final payment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruz chic Posted January 28, 2016 #3038 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Why does HAL have to give 90 days notice if they change the smoking policy?They can allow cancellations by smokers who don't approve the change if it is after final payment. Would they though? Can you imagine the complaining if they didn't give plenty of notice. I wonder how long the notice was when other lines banned balcony smoking? I'll be shocked if Hal bans balcony smoking before the koningsdam hits the water with its first paying passanger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruise Junky Posted January 28, 2016 #3039 Share Posted January 28, 2016 That sounds great but it's too late for the koningsdam inaugural cruises. Iirc the first cruise leaves mid April. Hal would have to give at least 90 days notice so it's too late for the first cruise. I do hope the end is near. They can change your complete itinerary with no notice and you think you'll get 3 months for smoking? They might...but there's nothing saying they have to. It's probably a good idea for diehard smokers to buy cancel for any reason insurance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruz chic Posted January 28, 2016 #3040 Share Posted January 28, 2016 (edited) They can change your complete itinerary with no notice and you think you'll get 3 months for smoking? They might...but there's nothing saying they have to. It's probably a good idea for diehard smokers to buy cancel for any reason insurance. A change in itinerary is a little different than banning balcony smoking, don't you think? Most smokers will have a cow. Why in the world would they have to buy cancel for any reason? Hal will let them cancel. You should have seen the outcry when Hal changed their wine policy. I believe they tried to change it immediately and got killed on that decision. Smoking would be worse. I'll be delighted to be wrong, I should take some bets to finance my next cruise :D;). My guess is that there will be no change in 2016. Hal doesn't have the balls to do it. Edited January 28, 2016 by cruz chic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizzie68 Posted January 28, 2016 #3041 Share Posted January 28, 2016 After the wine policy fiasco, I'm betting HAL would give 6 months notice of a change in the smoking policy. Pretty fair, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizzie68 Posted January 28, 2016 #3042 Share Posted January 28, 2016 I think change is coming on HAL. About time. I just got off the NA on Sunday on the LRBC charter. I was very upset that the few smokers onboard were not respectful of the majority. It only took 5 or 6 numbskulls to pollute the air at the pool deck. The smokers were supposed to stay on the port side of the pool deck. Some jerks smoked on the starboard side. Please bear in mind, during this cruise, the pool is covered over and becomes a dance floor. So there can easily be 1000 people (or more) out there for a show. The disrespectful smokers upset dozens of people around them. Sadly, the president of the charter did nothing. I spoke to a senior officer (Dutch, tall, salt & pepper hair, beard, late 50's, I don't recall his name), complaining about the lack if enforcement. He told me it was up to the charter. However, the balcony smoking is HAL's policy. I told him that I was upset that HAL still allows smoking on the balconies. He told me, without a doubt, that this will end. It will not be allowed on the Kongindam. He was pretty darn sure. For those with upcoming cruises, ask a senior officer. Looks like there will be changes. Yay! Interesting. That's the second such post I have read from someone speaking to an officer. I do think the change is coming. It's just a question of when. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sail7seas Posted January 28, 2016 #3043 Share Posted January 28, 2016 I hope any change in smoking policy can be accomplished faster than 6 months. :eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquahound Posted January 28, 2016 #3044 Share Posted January 28, 2016 From what I as told, the policy will officially change in 289 days. ;):D That's for you tim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruz chic Posted January 28, 2016 #3045 Share Posted January 28, 2016 From what I as told, the policy will officially change in 289 days. ;):D That's for you tim. November 10, 2016. Sounds like the perfect day :D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruz chic Posted January 28, 2016 #3046 Share Posted January 28, 2016 I just did a quick and dirty search of the smoking policy change on ncl. Looks like it was announced mid July and was effective November 1 making it about 3.5 months before or about 115 days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruise Junky Posted January 28, 2016 #3047 Share Posted January 28, 2016 I just did a quick and dirty search of the smoking policy change on ncl. Looks like it was announced mid July and was effective November 1 making it about 3.5 months before or about 115 days. I think other lines have done the same as a curtesy, but it's definitely not a requirement. Fingers crossed for Konsingdam. It's the only thing holding us back from being super excited and hoping for a similar itinerary on another line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruz chic Posted January 28, 2016 #3048 Share Posted January 28, 2016 I think other lines have done the same as a curtesy, but it's definitely not a requirement. Fingers crossed for Konsingdam. It's the only thing holding us back from being super excited and hoping for a similar itinerary on another line. I never said it was a requirement. Hal would certainly do it to try to keep the complaining to a minimum. I still stand by my comment there will be no changes in 2016. Hal, please make a liar out of me :D;). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruise Junky Posted January 28, 2016 #3049 Share Posted January 28, 2016 I never said it was a requirement. Hal would certainly do it to try to keep the complaining to a minimum. I still stand by my comment there will be no changes in 2016. Hal, please make a liar out of me :D;). I'm good with 2017 ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizzie68 Posted January 28, 2016 #3050 Share Posted January 28, 2016 I never said it was a requirement. Hal would certainly do it to try to keep the complaining to a minimum. I still stand by my comment there will be no changes in 2016. Hal, please make a liar out of me :D;). I'm not holding my breath (unless someone is smoking around me:D) - you said last year it would be around June, 2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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