Ebola Virus

[crookedhalo]

I read that at Presby they have furloughed the people who had closest contact with Duncan and that others deemed to be at lesser risk were continuing to work, possibly in lower contact areas.

 

Seriously? Think about how this would impact a hospitals ability to operate in a safe, efficient way if a pandemic were to erupt. In the scenario above, they don't have enough staff to handle a sudden influx. Now spread this over multiple states and we could have a serious problem.

 

We have decided to cancel our 1/3/15 trip partly because I know people lie on the forms now to board ships and because of the amount of misinformation out there. I have done my own research and feel that we are not getting the whole story from anyone (either that or they are totally incompetent and don't know the information). I stand a better chance of avoiding getting sick by not placing myself in a contained situation on a ship.

 

Last January, we were on Grandeur for an 8 night trip. Weather was horrible, everyone stayed inside most of the trip (only one day was warm enough to be outside lounging). Lots of people coughing and hacking. Out of my party of 8, 4 of us came home with a 'respiratory bug'. It took me almost a month to finally shake it. Don't know if the ships have a way to shut down ventilation from possibly contaminated cabins or not, but not willing to be sick again for a month or more:(.

 

If my Final Pay date was a few weeks later, I might be willing to wait, but if I cancel now, I'm out no money at all AND I can always rebook if this all turns out to be a tempest in a teapot.

[BND]

Totally disagree. The comments from non-medical people here prove that point in spades! The Czar needs BOTH - in depth medical knowledge and how to "run" things.

 

Knee jerk reactions from extremists on both sides of the aisle is a large part of what is wrong with the US today!

 

I totally agree that the "Czar" picked was a wrong and obviously political selection. But I don't think the comment about sending Ebola patients to the White House was necessary. And to pretend that the selection was a good one because someone (in charge of meeting this challenge) doesn't need medical knowledge is not exactly the smartest of comments either.

 

Can we just be Americans for a minute and put the left and right aside.....

 

Just because someone has a medical background does not make them an expert either. I have a friend who knows the new "czar". He worked with him on the Hill. My friend is very conservative and does not give false praise. He thinks a lot of the new czar and says he's a professional and a good guy. While he is a political appointee, that does not mean he can't run/oversee this. At that level, it's very common for appointees to know more about management and getting things done than the actual thing they're in charge of. I'm not a fan of this administration either (and never have been), but what would the benefit be exactly to them to not want to fight this? The hospital in Dallas made mistakes which they have admitted. As I have said before the only people infected had very close contact with a VERY sick person, not casual contact. Even his family members and fiance are well.

 

I also think people are wildly overreacting and can't wait for our cruise on Nov 1.

Edited October 19, 2014 by BND

[Tranquil Waters]

Just because someone has a medical background does not make them an expert either. I have a friend who knows the new "czar". He worked with him on the Hill. My friend is very conservative and does not give false praise. He thinks a lot of the new czar and says he's a professional and a good guy. While he is a political appointee, that does not mean he can't run/oversee this. At that level, it's very common for appointees to know more about management and getting things done than the actual thing they're in charge of. I'm not a fan of this administration either (and never have been), but what would the benefit be exactly to them to not want to fight this? The hospital in Dallas made mistakes which they have admitted. As I have said before the only people infected had very close contact with a VERY sick person, not casual contact. Even his family members and fiance are well.

 

I also think people are wildly overreacting and can't wait for our cruise on Nov 1.

 

Agree with your first comment. My point was that you need BOTH. And I can't believe that in a country with the population of the US that the Administration could not have found a highly qualified individual with BOTH skill sets. Leave the politics out of an issue as important as this one and just choose the best person possible. :)

[ATC cruiser]

This is a really silly statement. If someone on your ship comes down with active symptoms of ebola you have a very real chance of getting it. It actually lives for one hour on surfaces according to the CDC.

 

 

It's not silly, right now, today, you have a better chance of catching cholera in Haiti than you do of catching Ebola on a cruise ship. And by that, I mean pretty much zero chance. Somebody in this, or another thread, said that going on vacation is now a high risk proposition. Give me a break, you've got a better chance of getting killed getting to the port. Now if someone has been exposed to Ebola I don't think they should be flying to Cleveland or getting on a cruise ship. People are freaking out about this because of the media, and all the whack jobs saying the government is lying to us. I've been an air traffic controller for over 30 years, and in that time I don't think I have ever seen an accurate report about aviation. Even the experts have an agenda. So do your own research, from credible sources, and make an educated decision.

 

 

Aft Cabins Rule

Edited October 19, 2014 by ATC cruiser

[luvtheships]

Why must they even call them a " czar?"

 

Director. Or commissioner is better

 

 

 

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[iuki]

Cruise lines have forms that people complete before boarding a cruise. Does anyone really believe that people will not lie on these forms? Mr. Duncan lied about having any contact with an ebola patient. People going on a cruise will also lie. The only way they will know for sure, if someone has a fever and possibly being ill, is to have the non-contact fever thermometer now being used at certain airports. They aim the device at the person's forehead without touching them. Granted, this is not a perfect solution, but I believe it would be better than having people complete the forms honestly.

 

What do you think?:confused:

[Ocean Boy]

Given the cartoon had no reference to how it was acquired or cause, I have no idea how you inferred such a suggestion from that, let alone suggesting the poster implied it.

 

Because the cartoon referenced medical issues brought about by lifestyle choice and had nothing to do with infectious disease. Pretty simple.

[Ocean Boy]

We heard far different, Yale/New Haven has a women right now, here in Florida all our major Hospitals have facilities to handle infections!

 

Any hospital that can't handle infectious should be shut down. It is the organism that is creating the infection that make all of the difference. And one microb is not the same as another microb.

[bigeck]

Not sure how true this is

 

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/ebola-cruise-ship-%e2%80%98in-utter-panic%e2%80%99-as-mexico-and-belize-refuse-to-let-it-dock/ar-BB9WRt1

[BecciBoo]

"what if" game....

 

What if the Magic cruise was partially a "lifestyle" cruise?

 

Would that be interesting?

[BND]

Not sure how true this is

 

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/ebola-cruise-ship-%e2%80%98in-utter-panic%e2%80%99-as-mexico-and-belize-refuse-to-let-it-dock/ar-BB9WRt1

 

Not true from everything I have read from people who were actually onboard. No panic.

 

She also tested negative, which isn't a surprise. Lab workers come into contact with all kinds of deadly diseases daily and pretty much never get infected because they follow the rules for handling these samples.

Edited October 19, 2014 by BND

[The_Big_M]

Because the cartoon referenced medical issues brought about by lifestyle choice and had nothing to do with infectious disease. Pretty simple.

 

Pretty simple that you're reading more than exists into what is actually a cartoon.

 

Do you do the same with Garfield?

Edited October 19, 2014 by The_Big_M

[BND]

"what if" game....

 

What if the Magic cruise was partially a "lifestyle" cruise?

 

Would that be interesting?

 

That's a personal choice and if someone chooses risky behavior then they have to learn to deal.

 

But that also applies to anyone who participates in any risky behavior, i.e., picking up a stranger in a bar for example.

 

You'd think that that would make people think twice, but nope, Aids proved that.

Edited October 19, 2014 by BND

[setsail]

There seems to be a shortage of experts on this thread:rolleyes::p

[Ocean Boy]

Pretty simple that you're reading more than exists into what is actually a cartoon.

 

Do you do the same with Garfield?

 

Can't say that I have even once ever looked at a Garfield cartoon.

[aloha43]

Send the next ebola victim (if there is one?) To the east wing of the white house I'm sure michelle is as qualified as the guy they picked for ebola czar.

There is absolutely no reason to worry about a thing the government has it under control

 

Haven't we been told not to make things political?

 

Your ignorance shows regarding the ebola czar.

[Ander026]

 

We have decided to cancel our 1/3/15 trip partly because I know people lie on the forms now to board ships and because of the amount of misinformation out there. I have done my own research and feel that we are not getting the whole story from anyone (either that or they are totally incompetent and don't know the information). I stand a better chance of avoiding getting sick by not placing myself in a contained situation on a ship.

 

Last January, we were on Grandeur for an 8 night trip. Weather was horrible, everyone stayed inside most of the trip (only one day was warm enough to be outside lounging). Lots of people coughing and hacking. Out of my party of 8, 4 of us came home with a 'respiratory bug'. It took me almost a month to finally shake it. Don't know if the ships have a way to shut down ventilation from possibly contaminated cabins or not, but not willing to be sick again for a month or more:(.

 

 

Go ahead and cancel your cruise despite fear of the unknown. I have 3 cruises booked and taking 2 of them in the coming months. I plan on taking them both and then looking at booking last minute early next year when prices are at their cheapest.

 

I will not be scared of Ebola. I have followed it in the news and believe that you can catch the common flu a lot easier than you can catch Ebola.

 

And did I mention that I will be flying to one of my cruises as well. Bring on the adventure.

[B-52]

And we all know how well hospitals deal with Staph and C-diff....

No problems!!

[Tranquil Waters]

The law of natural selection is an amazing thing.

[Kamloops50]

The law of natural selection is an amazing thing.

 

Yup! :-D

 

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[ATC cruiser]

I read that at Presby they have furloughed the people who had closest contact with Duncan and that others deemed to be at lesser risk were continuing to work, possibly in lower contact areas.

 

Seriously? Think about how this would impact a hospitals ability to operate in a safe, efficient way if a pandemic were to erupt. In the scenario above, they don't have enough staff to handle a sudden influx. Now spread this over multiple states and we could have a serious problem.

 

We have decided to cancel our 1/3/15 trip partly because I know people lie on the forms now to board ships and because of the amount of misinformation out there. I have done my own research and feel that we are not getting the whole story from anyone (either that or they are totally incompetent and don't know the information). I stand a better chance of avoiding getting sick by not placing myself in a contained situation on a ship.

 

Last January, we were on Grandeur for an 8 night trip. Weather was horrible, everyone stayed inside most of the trip (only one day was warm enough to be outside lounging). Lots of people coughing and hacking. Out of my party of 8, 4 of us came home with a 'respiratory bug'. It took me almost a month to finally shake it. Don't know if the ships have a way to shut down ventilation from possibly contaminated cabins or not, but not willing to be sick again for a month or more:(.

 

If my Final Pay date was a few weeks later, I might be willing to wait, but if I cancel now, I'm out no money at all AND I can always rebook if this all turns out to be a tempest in a teapot.

 

 

You better not go to a grocery store either, those shopping cart handles can be a real germ factory.

 

 

Aft Cabins Rule

[BecciBoo]

Can't tell you how many times I have gone to get the cart and there are used Kleenex in them!:eek: Isch!

 

My local market here in Texas H.E.B. offers sanitary wipes outside by the carts so you can sanitize the handles! I appreciate this as I too consider this particular thing one of the worst to spread germs!

[DebJ14]

CLIA sent out a letter to TA's saying that the health screening questionnaire would now include questions about travel to Africa and exposure to any "suspected or confirmed" cases of Ebola. Anyone who has traveled to that region of Africa within 21 days will be denied boarding, as will anyone who has had contact with or cared for a suspected or confirmed case of Ebola within the previous 21 days. All ships are being given guidance on identification of possible victims, isolation and transfer procedures.

 

My concern is the Drexel University study that questions the incubation period. It seems that up to 12% of Ebola patients come down with the disease sometime after the generally accepted quarantine period. I wish they would increase the length of time and say travel or exposure within 30 or 45 days will get you denied boarding.

 

Here is a link to the Drexel article for those who are unaware of it.

http://drexel.edu/now/archive/2014/October/Ebola-quarantine/

Edited October 19, 2014 by DebJ14

[DebJ14]

Cruise lines have forms that people complete before boarding a cruise. Does anyone really believe that people will not lie on these forms? Mr. Duncan lied about having any contact with an ebola patient. People going on a cruise will also lie. The only way they will know for sure, if someone has a fever and possibly being ill, is to have the non-contact fever thermometer now being used at certain airports. They aim the device at the person's forehead without touching them. Granted, this is not a perfect solution, but I believe it would be better than having people complete the forms honestly.

 

What do you think?:confused:

 

I think they lie all the times on the form and that is what sets off upper respiratory illnesses and Noro on cruise ships.

 

Several years ago, the son of friends of ours got sick in their New Orleans hotel room the night before boarding an NCL ship. They lied on the form and boarded the ship with the sick 14 year old in tow.

 

Shortly after the ship sailed they had to call the medical center to get help because the kid was so weak from vomiting and diarrhea. The kid had to have an IV because he was so dehydrated.

 

He turned out to be ground zero for the Noro outbreak on that ship. Eventually all 4 in the family were sick and quarantined into their tiny inside cabin for the duration. The father attempted to get off in Cozumel, but his card set off all kinds of bells and whistles. He was escorted back to the cabin by security and a guard was posted. They got a stern letter from the Captain.

 

The father had the nerve to demand his money back when it was his family who brought the disease aboard. And he wanted compensation because he was embarrassed at the gangway when he was refused permission to get off in Cozumel. There were several hundred cases that cruise and many spring breaks were ruined and this guy actually thought he should get compensated. They should have charged him.

[DebJ14]

You better not go to a grocery store either, those shopping cart handles can be a real germ factory.

 

 

Aft Cabins Rule

 

Our grocery store provides sanitizing wipes where the carts are located. I am amazed at the numbers of people who don't use them. I use several and wipe the handles as well as the area were people sit their kids. I also don't put anything that I am buying in the area where the babies and toddlers sit. I don't want the contents of their diapers on our food.