MDR Dress code??

[RocketMan275]

Agree wholeheartedly. And that's exactly what Dynamic Dining and Grande tried to provide. But if you followed the threads, beginning the Inaugural Cruise began the whining. Passengers stated on CC that they wanted the menu in Grande but didn't want to dress up and it wasn't fair. But even you insinuate that it is fair. So if Traditional Dining required suit or tux, people would complain because they like Traditional Dining but don't see why they have to dress up.

Grande was the perfect solution....until the very first cruise.

So if I like to dress up, and RCCL provides a dress up only venue, Grande, and someone want to eat there and demands that right but refuses to follow the dress code, who is being self-centered?

 

You should read my post again. I answered that question. I also pointed out that it wasn't just those who did not like to dress who were complaining about Grande. There also were others who thought there should have been nights when the whole ship had a formal night. That Grande just didn't provide the same ambiance since they often encountered individuals who were not dining in Grande and were not formally dressed. That is an attitude which essentially relegates other passengers to playing a role as an extra in a remake of Titanic. And I do think that is self-centered.

 

I have no sympathy for those who would complain that they liked TD but didn't want to dress up. MTD can be tailored to provide the TD experience. I would be more sympathetic to those who were forced to do TD and did not wish to dress up.

 

Both sides have been self-centered. But, JMHO, it appears to be predominately those in favor of formal nights that are claiming the other side is self-centered and not the reverse.

 

I think Grande is a perfect compromise but there are those who do not. What I see as unfair is telling some that they have to dine in the buffet if they choose not to dress formally.

 

I have two RCI cruises booked (Oasis and Allure). You will not see me in Grande on either cruise and I will not be complaining about missing that experience. Dynamic Dining brought me back to RCI.

[American Bear]

I agree that Grande is a great solution. However, not all ships offer that solution and this thread is about Oasis which has not implemented Dynamic Dining and still has MDR wide dress codes (unenforced).

 

One of the complaints made against Dynamic Dining is that having a formal always venue like Grande is insufficient since only a portion of the ship's passengers would be in formal wear on any given night. To turn your phrase around: "But, guess what? The "It's my vacation and I want everyone to wear what I want" crowd began whining about there only being a formal dress code in Grande." That is being just as self-centered as the 'I want to wear what I want crowd'.

 

I also agree that the person who argued with the staff was being self-centered. But, set aside the fact that this happened at Grande since Grande is a special case. Suppose, that in another dining venue, that the staff had allowed him entry implying that his dress was adequate for that venue. Now, further suppose another passenger refused to allow that passenger to be seated at their table because this person did not meet their interpretation of the dress code, would the objecting passenger be self-centered? Some have reported doing exactly that.

 

I believe there is room for compromise where every one gets a bit of what they want. What's wrong with only a portion of the ship's passengers celebrating formal night on any given night like in Grande? What's wrong with MTD being smart casual and Traditional Dining celebrating formal nights? Why does everyone have to play dress up?

 

 

 

I never seen a comment where someone refused another passenger to sit at their table because of how they were dressed, exactly how did they do this?

 

I agree there is a compromise to 'dress suggestions', people should mind their own business. If RCL doesn't care, why should they!:D

[American Bear]

So in other words, with what you're claiming is the "intent" of what you quoted from the Compass, you'd be able to show up in barefooted in shorts & a tank top for dinner and would be admitted with no problem.

 

Good luck with that... :rolleyes:

 

 

On our last cruise on the Allure, there were quite a few in the MDR with shorts, tank tops, and tee shirts. :eek:

[Sitzmark]

So in other words, with what you're claiming is the "intent" of what you quoted from the Compass, you'd be able to show up in barefooted in shorts & a tank top for dinner and would be admitted with no problem.

 

Good luck with that... :rolleyes:

 

I didn't write it, I only read it. You're welcome to try it if you like, I'd be afraid of picking up a fungus from their floors.

[RocketMan275]

I never seen a comment where someone refused another passenger to sit at their table because of how they were dressed, exactly how did they do this?

 

I agree there is a compromise to 'dress suggestions', people should mind their own business. If RCL doesn't care, why should they!:D

 

You'll have to take my word for it.

 

I did see a post on the Celebrity board where a passenger recounted exactly that. As I remember, a waiter was escorting another guest to sit at a table. Another, already seated passenger, told the waiter that the guest was not properly attired to sit at their table and to take them elsewhere. And, as I remember, several other posters said they would do the same thing.

 

I also remember another poster telling a similar story only this time the poster and wife (the first couple) were already seated with another (the second) couple when the waiter approached escorting a third couple. The other second couple told the waiter to take the third couple to another table since they were not properly dressed. To their credit, the first couple told the waiter that they would be happy to move to another table with the third couple.

 

The Celebrity dress code threads were so bad that I actually cancelled a Celebrity cruise. They have tamed somewhat since and I do have a Celebrity cruise scheduled.

[Havingfun2010]

Nothing is enforced. You can wear whatever you like.

 

Don't lie. Some people will not act adult like but most dress appropriately. Less than 1% of man will wear a polo shirt on formal night and they stand out in a negative way like misbehaving children

[LMaxwell]

Don't lie.

 

Less than 1% of man will wear a polo shirt on formal night

 

Don't lie.

 

Let's assume a sailing on O/A has 500 kids, and 5500 adults. Let's assume an even split of men and women; so 2750 adult men on a given sailing. You mean to say out of 6000 people on the ship, 27 or less are wearing a polo shirt and you assert that as factually accurate?

[Retired LEO]

Don't lie. Some people will not act adult like but most dress appropriately. Less than 1% of man will wear a polo shirt on formal night and they stand out in a negative way like misbehaving children

 

But they are comfortable and eating the exact same food as you are.

[Sitzmark]

But they are comfortable and eating the exact same food as you are.

 

Hard not to be comfortable when you've moved from being a slob to a one percenter.

[LMaxwell]

Hard not to be comfortable when you've moved from being a slob to a one percenter.

 

http://www.hiyoooo.com/

[RocketMan275]

Don't lie. Some people will not act adult like but most dress appropriately. Less than 1% of man will wear a polo shirt on formal night and they stand out in a negative way like misbehaving children

 

And, at least half of the other 99% of the men (those not wearing a polo shirt) are asking themselves "Now, why am I wearing this monkey suite?"

[Ramblin' Ma'am]

I am just getting off Independence today and shorts were no longer banned in the MDR. The only prohibited articles were bare feet, swimwear and tank tops. I don't wear shorts to dinner but a fair number of people did. I wonder if they are testing this out on some ships.

 

 

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Edited May 31, 2015 by Ramblin' Ma'am

[LetsGetWet!]

And, at least half of the other 99% of the men (those not wearing a polo shirt) are asking themselves "Now, why am I wearing this monkey suite?"

How can you wear a set of furniture for monkeys?

[RocketMan275]

How can you wear a set of furniture for monkeys?

 

Actually, I was referring to a very special set of rooms for monkeys, a 'monkey suite'.

 

But, then again, they, the 99% not wearing a polo shirt, could be saying "This is the last time I let her tell me I have to wear a suit."

[ryano]

Don't lie. Some people will not act adult like but most dress appropriately. Less than 1% of man will wear a polo shirt on formal night and they stand out in a negative way like misbehaving children

 

Why dont you stop calling people liars or accusing them of spreading falsehoods and actually go on a cruise for once and see for yourself :mad:

 

This is the third time lately I have witness you call people liars for saying the TRUTH about how people dress and its getting old. You accused me of spreading falsehoods as well for telling people here FIRSTHAND what I seen on my cruise.

 

Less than 1% of me wearing polos is the only lie and YOU told it. :mad:

[ryano]

You mean to say out of 6000 people on the ship, 27 or less are wearing a polo shirt and you assert that as factually accurate?

 

I notice the OP never answered your question :rolleyes:

[cjdixon4]

It is SSOOO reassuring to know that "Dress Code Threads" (with their associated entertainment and enjoyment) are not unique to just the Celebrity boards. ;) :D :rolleyes:

 

 

It is also very comforting to KNOW, that dedicated and tireless members of The Fashion Police, will go to the far corners of the Earth and the Cruise Critic Website, in their selfless quest to uphold the outdated and completely arbitrary standards of class conscious apparel standards on cruise ships everywhere! :p

 

I feel so safe and secure now! :)

 

TeeCee, I thought that I knew what fun was until I began reading some of the threads on Cruise Critic. I've gotten some of the best information as well as some of the best laughs EVER on here. Anyone would have to be a complete fool to take some of this stuff seriously... :rolleyes:

[cjdixon4]

I remember reading the following:

- Posters reporting "storming out of the main dining room" to find the Matre'd and take him through the MDR pointing out violations of the dress code.

- Posters refusing to allow the wait staff to seat certain persons whose dress did not meet their standards at their table.

- Posters meeting with the Matre'd to ensure he understood their expectations for the enforcement of the dress code.

 

Oh heck no!!! Seriously? :confused:

[DebJ14]

We solved the problem of what our table mates are wearing by getting a table for 2.

[mbarnes27]

I just got off my first cruise yesterday and while I chose to wear at least a dress shirt, khaki slacks, and a suit jacket every night in the MDR, a lot of people wore t-shirts, shorts, and flip flops and then chose a dress shirt and slacks for formal night. It didn't bother me at all. My wife and I were on our honeymoon and too focused on enjoying how each other looked all dressed up to be concerned with what anybody else was wearing. Some people have to wear a tie every day to work so I don't think they should be penalized for not wanting to dress that way on their vacation. No matter what you wear you still are getting the experience of excellent service in the MDR.

[BeachChik]

In a short answer to that "Yes" .

If the suggested attire is smart casual or formal and you show up to any public restaurant wearing flip flops, wearing baseball hats, wearing shorts, I say "Shame on You "

 

It is always a reflection of people's upbringing when they ignore rules and suggestions. Its a fact made known before the cruise begins,

 

Why would a woman wear shorts, flip flops and a baseball hat ?

Its dreadful, its terrible and a very sad reflection of the individual.

flip flops indeed.

 

 

 

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Lol

 

Well you better avoid Florida then because seeing men, women and children in flip flops pretty much everywhere is very much the norm. With the exception of formal restaurants with clear dress codes you will see flip flops at all restaurants.

 

I personally think it's a sad reflection of an individual that feels the need to judge other people based on what they are wearing.

[tip]

I personally think it's a sad reflection of an individual that feels the need to judge other people based on what they are wearing.

 

Very well-said!

[GottaKnowWhen]

... a lot of people wore t-shirts, shorts, and flip flops and then chose a dress shirt and slacks for formal night. It didn't bother me at all. My wife and I were on our honeymoon and too focused on enjoying how each other looked all dressed up ...

 

At your wedding, did you expect your buds to come in shorts and flip flops? Wouldn't you have been a bit put off that they didn't bother to clean up a little for your special day?

 

A cruise is special for some people, not just a chance to party and drink and eat and get waited on. Many people who go on cruises try to find out ahead of time what to expect, and they find cruise line FAQs that describe the expected dress for Formal and other dinners. That is part of the experience they buy into, that they pay for, that they expect. They have every right to expect to find the conditions described, the conditions that they contracted for. It is rude and self-centered for other passengers to decide to dress based on what matters to themselves rather than based on the common expectations.

 

I actually don't really care that much about the dress; I just object to the self-centered entitled attitude of those who decide that they will ignore the recommended code. If I were on a Carnival (?) cruise where the stated expectation was shorts and tank top, I would also object to those who might wear a tux. (And BTW, I have happily dined with some who have "violated" the code, I thoroughly enjoyed those dinners and would happily have many more with those people. It is not about the dress, it is about the attitude.)

[RocketMan275]

At your wedding, did you expect your buds to come in shorts and flip flops? Wouldn't you have been a bit put off that they didn't bother to clean up a little for your special day?

 

Not a good analogy. Those hosting the wedding choose who to invite to the wedding. They paid for the ceremony. Of course, they would get to set the standards of dress. I do not remember the other passengers inviting me to partake of a cruise. And, until, the other passengers start to pay me to take a cruise, their opinion of how I dress is irrelevant.

 

A cruise is special for some people, not just a chance to party and drink and eat and get waited on. Many people who go on cruises try to find out ahead of time what to expect, and they find cruise line FAQs that describe the expected dress for Formal and other dinners. That is part of the experience they buy into, that they pay for, that they expect. They have every right to expect to find the conditions described, the conditions that they contracted for. It is rude and self-centered for other passengers to decide to dress based on what matters to themselves rather than based on the common expectations.

 

There is no enforceable contract stipulating what is allowed for dress on a cruise ship. The cruise contract states that it the only legally binding document between passenger and cruise. Such things as FAQ, brochures, or any other representations are not a part of the contract. IOW, you have no contractual expectations for an enforced dress code or formal nights. Therefore, there aren't any "common expectations" and it is "rude and self-centered" to insist that others follow your 'not so common expectations'. The cruise contract is very clear that they can alter any condition entirely at their whim. The lack of enforcement is the equivalent of changing these conditions.

[LMaxwell]

That is part of the experience they buy into, that they pay for, that they expect. They have every right to expect to find the conditions described, the conditions that they contracted for. It is rude and self-centered for other passengers to decide to dress based on what matters to themselves rather than based on the common expectations.

 

 

Please tell me more about this experience Royal Caribbean advertises and how it differs from other nights.

 

Also, for 70's night, country and western night, 80's night, white night, Caribbean night...should I be put off when participation is less than it could be?

 

P.S. - We got married on the beach. It was casual. We made sure to communicate this to our guests.

Edited June 2, 2015 by LMaxwell