Tee & Chilli Posted April 13, 2016 #1 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Carnival sued about cruises to Cuba. http://www.bizjournals.com/orlando/blog/2016/04/lawsuit-filed-against-largest-cruise-company-in.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mar56 Posted April 13, 2016 #2 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Thats ridiculous. It isnt Carnival that is preventing them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brigbound Posted April 13, 2016 #3 Share Posted April 13, 2016 No, but, that never stopped people with the 'perpetual victim' mentality from filing worthless suits. Here is an earlier article... http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/news-columns-blogs/fabiola-santiago/article70622582.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tee & Chilli Posted April 13, 2016 Author #4 Share Posted April 13, 2016 I hope this will not deter other cruise lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodtime Cruizin Posted April 14, 2016 #5 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Carnival sued about cruises to Cuba.http://www.bizjournals.com/orlando/blog/2016/04/lawsuit-filed-against-largest-cruise-company-in.html Good. I hope they win their discrimination case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonbgd Posted April 14, 2016 #6 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Another ambulance chasing attorney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonomissX Posted April 14, 2016 #7 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Good. I hope they win their discrimination case. So, what will Cuba do to the people who are aboard the ship, and were natural born in Cuba? And how about the Captain and other officers? They will have all broken Cuban law. What then? It's not only United States laws at work here, and Cuba would be within their rights to exact punishment for those breaking the laws on their own soil, even if their own laws are discriminatory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_G Posted April 14, 2016 #8 Share Posted April 14, 2016 So, what will Cuba do to the people who are aboard the ship, and were natural born in Cuba? And how about the Captain and other officers? They will have all broken Cuban law. Ironic isn't it. :D This really shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. There had to be some kind of lawsuit filed in protest. What other options do they have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_G Posted April 14, 2016 #9 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Another interesting story regarding Cuba. http://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/cruises/2016/04/09/cuba-cruise-pearl-seas/82829178/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpcountryTravelers Posted April 14, 2016 #10 Share Posted April 14, 2016 This is CUBA's law, which has absolutely nothing to do with ANY U.S. law, including the 1964 Civil Rights Act. Obviously, the 1964 act cannot apply in any way once the vessel is past the 12 mile limit. Stupid lawsuit, cluttering American courts, which certainly have more pressing business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khm1 Posted April 14, 2016 #11 Share Posted April 14, 2016 This is CUBA's law, which has absolutely nothing to do with ANY U.S. law, including the 1964 Civil Rights Act. Obviously, the 1964 act cannot apply in any way once the vessel is past the 12 mile limit. Stupid lawsuit, cluttering American courts, which certainly have more pressing business. Yes, it is Cuba's law. However, Carnival is selling this cruise that originates from a U.S. port. Consider this for a minute. If you were not allowed to buy any service or product provided by an American (or any other country) company, simply due to your country of birth, regardless of your citizenship, would that be fair? Can you imagine if this were extrapolated to race, or religion? I think that these cruise companies are a little ahead of the game here. There is much to be worked out before cruises to Cuba that originate from the U.S. become reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khm1 Posted April 14, 2016 #12 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Another interesting story regarding Cuba. http://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/cruises/2016/04/09/cuba-cruise-pearl-seas/82829178/ Meanwhile, in Cuba, the Castro brothers smoke their cigars and laugh at all the irate Americans who thought they would be able to finally cruise to Cuba. I believe that this is all about the Castro brothers, once again, trying to exert power over the U.S. and it's interests. If they really wanted these cruises to go there, they would find a way to get the "approval". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonbgd Posted April 14, 2016 #13 Share Posted April 14, 2016 So for all the other cruiselines that cruise to Cuba with Europeans or Canadians Can Cuban born citizens cruise on their ships to Cuba???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khm1 Posted April 14, 2016 #14 Share Posted April 14, 2016 So for all the other cruiselines that cruise to Cuba with Europeans or Canadians Can Cuban born citizens cruise on their ships to Cuba???? I'm not sure, but I think the law only applies to US citizens of Cuban birth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare cruisequeen4ever Posted April 14, 2016 #15 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Wow, that's ridiculous! I'm sure Carnival would love to take their money; their hands are just tied. Sent from my iPhone using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattInFLL Posted April 14, 2016 #16 Share Posted April 14, 2016 This is a really interesting back and forth to read in a country where a sizable part of the population is voting for people who want to build border walls and ban the entry of all Muslims. (And act indignant that the rest of the world is horrified by this). Or even when you consider that the family who controls Carnival would have been prevented from boarding certain international flights on US airlines to Arab countries as recently as 2011. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodtime Cruizin Posted April 14, 2016 #17 Share Posted April 14, 2016 This is a really interesting back and forth to read in a country where a sizable part of the population is voting for people who want to build border walls and ban the entry of all Muslims. (And act indignant that the rest of the world is horrified by this). Or even when you consider that the family who controls Carnival would have been prevented from boarding certain international flights on US airlines to Arab countries as recently as 2011. If Carnival or any Cruise Line wants to take US citizens to Cuba, IMO it's all or none. If they can't, then they don't. The issue here is that the Cruise Lines are more about lining their income line than they are in doing the right thing. So if it's about money, then sue them and hit them financially. I hope the law suits flow in hard, heavey & fast. To a degree that they change their direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulette3028 Posted April 14, 2016 #18 Share Posted April 14, 2016 So for all the other cruiselines that cruise to Cuba with Europeans or CanadiansCan Cuban born citizens cruise on their ships to Cuba???? I imagine it is only US citizens who were born in Cuba, because the US is the only country that has an Embargo against Cuba. This is Cubans, small way of retribution (against the people, not the US govt). US citizens with family in Cuba are regularly sending money to their relatives to improve their lives.....I hear stories about that everyday at work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_G Posted April 14, 2016 #19 Share Posted April 14, 2016 If Carnival or any Cruise Line wants to take US citizens to Cuba, IMO it's all or none. If they can't, then they don't. The issue here is that the Cruise Lines are more about lining their income line than they are in doing the right thing. So if it's about money, then sue them and hit them financially. I hope the law suits flow in hard, heavey & fast. To a degree that they change their direction. I agree but it shouldn't be up to the cruise line to make that decision. Any US agreement should have been all or nothing. Sent from my XT1254 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vwrestler171 Posted April 14, 2016 #20 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Maybe Fathom should take the Cuban born citizens there and then they can get arrested by Cuban authorities. At least Fathom wouldn't be discriminating, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonomissX Posted April 14, 2016 #21 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Maybe Fathom should take the Cuban born citizens there and then they can get arrested by Cuban authorities. At least Fathom wouldn't be discriminating, right? What about the port authority? Will they be denied boarding in the first place? If this is Cuban policy, isn't that just like every other port of call causing an issue when they don't have proper documentation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elainmir Posted April 14, 2016 #22 Share Posted April 14, 2016 This should have been an all or nothing agreement...Carnival ALLOWED Cuba to dictate what would happen...Carnival should've said ok well sorry you lose out on all that tourism profit because you refuse to agree. That's a slap in the face to those who are now US citizens but were born in Cuba. Their mother country still gets to dictate what happens in their life? I don't think so. It's just wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonbgd Posted April 15, 2016 #23 Share Posted April 15, 2016 Im still trying to figure this out So when people left Cuba were they breaking a Cuban law and seeking Asylum in the US for a better life:confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khm1 Posted April 15, 2016 #24 Share Posted April 15, 2016 This should have been an all or nothing agreement...Carnival ALLOWED Cuba to dictate what would happen...Carnival should've said ok well sorry you lose out on all that tourism profit because you refuse to agree. That's a slap in the face to those who are now US citizens but were born in Cuba. Their mother country still gets to dictate what happens in their life? I don't think so. It's just wrong. I totally agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isasprings Posted April 15, 2016 #25 Share Posted April 15, 2016 (edited) Yes, it is Cuba's law. However, Carnival is selling this cruzise that originates from a U.S. port. Consider this for a minute. If you were not allowed to buy any service or product provided by an American (or any other country) company, simply due to your country of birth, regardless of your citizenship, would that be fair? Can you imagine if this were extrapolated to race, or religion? I think that these cruise companies are a little ahead of the game here. There is much to be worked out before cruises to Cuba that originate from the U.S. become reality. Agree with you! My DH is from Cuba I am not we both are American citenzens I am allowed to go on the cruise he is not. That is ridiculous!!! Edited April 15, 2016 by Isasprings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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