Balcony Smokers on Allure

[First and Ten]

I always book a balcony, as I prefer fresh air to canned air. Since RCCL has banned smoking on balconies, it is reasonable to expect a smoke free environment on the balcony. It is also reasonable to expect RCCL to enforce this rule.

 

Suggesting people NOT book a balcony because inconsiderate, non rule following smokers are asses is just plain stupid. Those who chose to smoke on their balconies run the risk of being fined or kicked off. I chose not to tolerate cigarette smoke and make a loud general announcement that smoking is banned and if it continues, I will make a report to guest services.

 

I hope in your loud general announcement you will be all over the people who mishandle the tongs on the buffet line too :D

Edited April 25, 2016 by First and Ten

[LJ1012]

Wow! 14 pages....longest thread I have seen so far in my relatively short time here!

[Christine Frances]

Oh Brother. What's your tough guy hubby gonna do to balcony smokers? :rolleyes:

 

Nothing:) Security will handle it:D

[Mapleleafforever]

Nothing:) Security will handle it:D

 

Very smart answer. We had balcony smokers beside us on the first night of our last cruise. One call to the front desk and one visit from security and there was no more smoking. Letting security do their jobs makes for much cheaper legal bills and much less prison time.

[Langley Cruisers]

Wow! 14 pages....longest thread I have seen so far in my relatively short time here!

 

Nah, the C&A rumor one is now 50 pages. ;)

 

http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=2345079

 

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[readytogo2]

The OP observed something on another ship and stated it was a hazard, and also stated that an announcement should be made. It's not a bad idea to remind passengers of rules when they are being broken. What's the issue here?

[tiessa]

One question and one statement....First the question....Are there any cruise lines or ships that have banned smoking altogether?

 

Not sticking up for the smokers, but we all seem in agreement that it's going to happen. The majority of these posts seem to be directed at catching a whiff of smoke on your balcony. If this is really a problem, and it's happened on your balcony on multiple cruises....WHY WOULD YOU CONTINUE TO BOOK A BALCONY ROOM???? The logic seems crazy to me...."I hate smoke....all 3 cruises I have been on I have had to deal with smokers on the balcony....so I am booking my 4th cruise, let me pay a premium and get a balcony room so I can get ticked off by the smokers" (facepalm)....Next time, book a window or interior room. Save money, and don't have to put up with the smokers on the balcony....problem solved :)

 

Yes, there was a cruise line named Renaissance or something like that. It was completely non-smoking. I don't think it lasted 2 years.

 

The lines aren't stupid. Smokers drink and gamble. They spend money. Even if you have a couple or a group with 1 smoker, none of them will go on a smoke free cruise.

 

I understand people who don't like smoke. I understand people who have real health issues. I understand a lot of non-smokers say they can't even tell someone is smoking on their balconies when the ship is moving. There are all kinds of non-smokers.

 

I am in the majority of smokers who are considerate and thoughtful when they smoke. I only smoke in designated areas. However the control freaks got their way with no smoking on balconies and now want no smoking at all.

 

It is the minority of smokers who break the rules and a minority of people who have true health problems that smoke irritates. The rest are just control nuts who cannot stand anyone doing anything they don't do.

 

 

 

 

 

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[nealstuber]

Either not enough smokers are asking for private lounges where they can smoke, or the cruiseline has determined catering to them is not a money maker. One or the other.

 

 

Not so sure that there might not be other reasons, but so long as smokers act like the kid that farted in the back of the car, they will be treated as such.

[nealstuber]

The OP observed something on another ship and stated it was a hazard, and also stated that an announcement should be made. It's not a bad idea to remind passengers of rules when they are being broken. What's the issue here?

 

 

The issue is I don't want to hear another announcement about something I don't care about at the bequest of someone I'm not even cruising with.

[SailyaCruise]

Non-Smoker here. Father, a 50+year smoker, died from lung cancer. Watched him suffer terribly from the chemo radiation one-two punch.

 

Having said that, if I am unlucky enough to have balcony neighbors who chain smoke, if it got really bad, I'd ask to be moved. If I couldn't move, then I'd ask for some sort of credit. I don't like confrontation, especially on my vacation, so I'd probably just refrain from going on my balcony. Yes, that is wrong and I paid for that balcony to sit and enjoy, but what can I do??? I'd rather throw up my hands than confront strangers about it.

 

But I can totally understand those who feel differently, and I understand both sides of this argument in this thread. This is a toughy. Eventually when RCCI receives enough complaints about the smoke, they'll devise a way to put a stop to it on the balconies.:o We're moving towards a smoke-free society, no smoking in buildings, airplanes, many restaurants, etc. Eventually it will get to cruise ships except casinos, which I think is a compromise. Bring back the Cigar rooms like on the smaller Navigator ships. I remember those. They were nice.

 

Meanwhile what do I take away from this thread? Pack away one of those cute, tiny little hand-held, non-electrical, personal fans, they are very small and non-intrusive. And use them discretely on the balcony at the appropriate time.

Edited April 25, 2016 by SailyaCruise

[readytogo2]

The issue is I don't want to hear another announcement about something I don't care about at the bequest of someone I'm not even cruising with.

 

One more announcement is not the worse thing that could happen while on a cruise. And it just might prevent someone from doing something that is restricted.

[nealstuber]

One more announcement is not the worse thing that could happen while on a cruise. And it just might prevent someone from doing something that is restricted.

 

 

Thinking Charlie Brown listening to the school PA. Whatever, I guess noise pollution is not an issue for you. Unless you live near a highway, then we can build 1,000 of miles of tall walls, unless they are on the US- Mexico border, then no, not so good.

[Jarmo]

Thinking Charlie Brown listening to the school PA. Whatever, I guess noise pollution is not an issue for you.

Good call. Smoke signals would save those with sensitive ears.

[Elvis1209]

Confrontational? Even the Ex-Police Officer told me to be confrontational and I said I don't think that is the right course of action. Let the staff handle it.

 

I didn't ask you to be confrontational. There's a difference between requesting something of someone and being confrontational. Being confrontational will get you the "F**k You" reaction I mentioned. As a police officer I got more than my share!

 

I'm growing tired of this thread. I think I'll go outside on my patio and have a cigar, unless I'm bothering someone!

 

Elvis

Edited April 25, 2016 by Elvis1209

[readytogo2]

Thinking Charlie Brown listening to the school PA. Whatever, I guess noise pollution is not an issue for you. Unless you live near a highway, then we can build 1,000 of miles of tall walls, unless they are on the US- Mexico border, then no, not so good.

 

Well, going on a cruise ship with thousands of people....I'd say noise is not an issue for me :D

[Lynn1179]

The issue is I don't want to hear another announcement about something I don't care about at the bequest of someone I'm not even cruising with.

 

 

I'd take an announcement I don't care to hear over the announcement sometime in the middle of the night in my last cruise

 

 

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[nealstuber]

Good call. Smoke signals would save those with sensitive ears.

 

 

Probably too much effort for those on Allure on they day in question to puff "mind your own business Kimosabee ".

Edited April 25, 2016 by nealstuber

[nealstuber]

I'd take an announcement I don't care to hear over the announcement sometime in the middle of the night in my last cruise

 

 

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Confused... Was the announcement a consequence of balcony smoking??

[Computer Nerd]

Because I never berated them or threw water on anyone, ever. So don't see how that applies. :confused: Acting like that was wrong then, it's wrong now. Throwing a hissy fit is wrong no matter which side you are on.

 

I don't expect a smoker to care about me, at all. And that doesn't bother me. It's "whatever". I expect them not to smoke on their balcony. I'm not going to schedule times to use my balcony. I'll use it whenever the mood strikes and expect my neighbors not to be smoking. That's the part that is not negotiable.

 

Again, you sidestepped my actual questions though. So I guess you're aiming for Congress? If a smoker is going to say 'Okay, I will stop" when asked, why would they be offended if the cruise line asked them instead of the actual neighbor?

 

if your question is 'why is there a difference if i say something to my neighbor instead of a cruise line employee' the answer is simple. a neighbor talking to a neighbor will usually yield better results because of the friendly nature....hopefully.....of the conversation. if a cruise line employee is doing the talking then it's an authority position which people are not as receptive to.

 

btw, fyi, your question was never posed to me so therefore i never sidestepped anything. i was simply responded to the parts of the post i wanted to respond to.

[Computer Nerd]

That's a very general statement because as a non-smoker I would never do that to someone nor would I condone it

 

 

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it really has nothing to do with what you would do or not do but generalizations.

 

california is the land of fruits and nuts. is everyone in cali demented......no.

 

muslims are all bombers. is that true.......no.

 

southerners are all hicks. is that true......no.

 

yankees are all uptight you-know-whats. is that true.....no.

 

but those are the perceptions of a lot of people.....enough to have those sayings.....and that is what people rely on. same perceptions with smokers and non-smokers.

[Computer Nerd]

As a former officer I'd think you'd recognize that when someone is knowingly acting in the wrong, asking them to stop sometimes just makes them even more belligerent.

 

"Hey, you can't smoke out here, please stop."

 

"Eff you..(continues to smoke"

 

And it only goes downhill from there.

 

So tell me why I have to confront anyone? I go on vacation to relax. And if you don't tell the cruise line about a problem, you aren't being fair and giving them the chance to resolve it. It's not my job to police anything and make people follow rules.

 

And you still didn't answer the actual questions; if it's the rare smoker that would say "Okay, I will stop and only smoke in designated areas" then they should not get their delicate feelings hurt regardless of who asks.

 

I think some smokers just are trying to play games so they can get away with breaking rules. It's as simple as that. Some people are doormats and will allow it or work out little schedules. I won't. Paid for a smoke free environment and am going to get one and not going to play little games about it.

 

if i may say, there is exactly your problem. instead of putting someone on the defensive by saying "hey, you can't smoke here' how about trying 'howdy neighbor. don't know if you know it or not but this cruise line changed there policy about a year ago and now folks aren't supposed to smoke on the balcony. i even heard they fine people and i don't want your vacation to get ruined. have a good one'. see the difference. of course, if you don't want to spend the time to be nice about the subject or don't think politeness is a requirement of yours then you'll get the eff you part of your statement.

[Goodtime Cruizin]

If you gamble by speeding or breaking any traffic laws you are aware there are consequences involved if caught. I wouldn't try your luck smoking on a balcony next to my DH lol

 

not sure if this is Intimidation or a passive Threat, either way, this is exactly what I was speaking to in my previous posts.

[ThirstyCruiser]

if i may say, there is exactly your problem. instead of putting someone on the defensive by saying "hey, you can't smoke here' how about trying 'howdy neighbor. don't know if you know it or not but this cruise line changed there policy about a year ago and now folks aren't supposed to smoke on the balcony. i even heard they fine people and i don't want your vacation to get ruined. have a good one'. see the difference. of course, if you don't want to spend the time to be nice about the subject or don't think politeness is a requirement of yours then you'll get the eff you part of your statement.

This sounds like a scene from a comedy. Maybe cast someone like a George Constanza to ask the question.

 

Sorry, but 9 outta 10 would still respond, um, "unfavorably"....

[Computer Nerd]

You seem to be missing my point....we have a load of posters on here complaining about people "breaking the rules", and nothing seems to be done....so going into that, a reasonable person says to themselves that while smoking isn't allowed in most areas of the ship, there are the inconsiderate ones who are all about themselves and will smoke on their balconies....we good so far. We already agree that the "smoke police" aren't really going to do anything about these inconsiderate people. So if smoke bothers you that much, and you have been on numerous cruises that it has ruined your balcony time, WHY WOULD YOU CONTINUE TO BOOK A BALCONY ROOM? Book a room with a window or inside room, save money and not be annoyed by the smoke. I personally don't like smoke. I have been on balconies where close by a person was smoking on their balcony. I went back into my room for about 10 mins, came back out and sat on my balcony. Now I see your retort coming...."they shouldn't be smoking"....you are right, but these are inconsiderate people we are dealing with, so they are going to do what they want to do and to heck with everyone else. Its not right, I get it, but they do it anyway

 

actually you have a lot of people complaining about smokers breaking the rules and then wave off other rule violations because they are safety related. that is, in fact, called hypocrisy.

[First and Ten]

actually you have a lot of people complaining about smokers breaking the rules and then wave off other rule violations because they are safety related. that is, in fact, called hypocrisy.

 

Agree....I am willing to bet that many of the people on here complaining about the smokers are the same ones complaining about the chair hogs and how people hold the tongs on the buffet line and how the neighbors are to noisy. Part of the enjoyment for these people is to complain about other people....takes all types I guess :)

Edited April 26, 2016 by First and Ten