Straight Flush Posted April 30, 2016 #1 Share Posted April 30, 2016 They were supposed to sail to Portland ar 5:00 but sailed further into the bay and stayed. Any word? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted April 30, 2016 #2 Share Posted April 30, 2016 They were supposed to sail to Portland ar 5:00 but sailed further into the bay and stayed. Any word? Are you sure about sailing to Portland? AIS shows her in drydock at BAE Systems shipyard SF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonora5 Posted April 30, 2016 #3 Share Posted April 30, 2016 It is in drydock in San Francisco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEAV Posted April 30, 2016 #4 Share Posted April 30, 2016 The Sun was originally going to dry dock in Portland, but it was later changed to San Francisco when the amount of time in dry dock time was shortened. Some of the info on the Port of SF website was not updated and still listed the ship as departing for Portland yesterday. But as chengkp75 posted she is at BAE systems dry dock in SF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gcvt Posted April 30, 2016 #5 Share Posted April 30, 2016 She's definitely in dry dock today. We can see her from our couch :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonora5 Posted April 30, 2016 #6 Share Posted April 30, 2016 She's definitely in dry dock today. We can see her from our couch :) What a lovely view you must have! We really enjoyed the sail in yesterday morning, passing underneath the Golden Gate Bridge, with a great look at Alcatraz and the city skyline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimsig Posted April 30, 2016 #7 Share Posted April 30, 2016 She's definitely in dry dock today. We can see her from our couch :) Pics or is isn't happening. Besides your view sounds like it must be amazing and would love to see it :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gcvt Posted May 1, 2016 #8 Share Posted May 1, 2016 (edited) pics or is isn't happening. Besides your view sounds like it must be amazing and would love to see it :d You can just barely see her smoke stack :D ...about 4 miles away. Edited May 1, 2016 by gcvt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimsig Posted May 1, 2016 #9 Share Posted May 1, 2016 You can just barely see her smoke stack :D ...about 4 miles away. GCVT my long lost buddy and pal, can't wait to come and visit :D:D:D Beautiful view, bet you never get tired of that. If you do let me know I'd be willing to suffer. Seriously though, thanks for sharing the pic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gcvt Posted May 1, 2016 #10 Share Posted May 1, 2016 (edited) GCVT my long lost buddy and pal, can't wait to come and visit :D:D:D Beautiful view, bet you never get tired of that. If you do let me know I'd be willing to suffer. Seriously though, thanks for sharing the pic Jim, my old buddy! :D Been in the same place for 23 years and never get tired of the view. It's definitely a cool spot to be when cruise ships are in dry dock here. Here's Jewel just backing out of dry dock almost exactly two years ago. They always run around in the Bay for a few hours before heading out for sea trials. Fun to watch. Edited May 1, 2016 by gcvt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gcvt Posted May 1, 2016 #11 Share Posted May 1, 2016 Couldn't edit my last post... I didn't even know about the dry dock schedule change. The GF works at The Exploratorium on Pier 15 so she saw Sun yesterday while she was at work. Seeing the ships all the time drives her nuts! Pier 27 is actually only 4 piers away from Pier 15. When I woke up this morning and saw Sun down in dry dock I mentioned it to her. She was like "yeah, saw her yesterday and noticed her again this morning". Talk about a "keeper"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
don't-use-real-name Posted May 1, 2016 #12 Share Posted May 1, 2016 She's definitely in dry dock today. We can see her from our couch :) When the STAR did DD at Vigor Portland OR there were a few photo opt points to see what was being done. The STAR did not have a good result of DD at Vigor having to be ferried to Freeport in the Bahamas to finish the work on the Azipods (engines). So this may explain why the DD is not being done at Portland or simply put change in schedule to have it done somewhere else (SFO) ? Wonder if the DD at SFO has any points to see what is being done to the hull ? Obviously can't see what is being done inside the ship ? What pier is the DD near ? - Don't know if there is any satellite imaging on the internet to see it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gcvt Posted May 1, 2016 #13 Share Posted May 1, 2016 I have to work tomorrow, but I am going to try to get down there on the way home to take a few pics of Sun and post them here. I've done it before for some Princess ships, but it's hard to get good pics because you can't get very close. Once you're down around 16th-20th Streets, it's mostly an industrial area where someone is probably camping in our stolen RV...LOL! Potential photo update by 7:00PM tomorrow :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEAV Posted May 1, 2016 #14 Share Posted May 1, 2016 Greg, Thanks for the wonderful photos. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gcvt Posted May 1, 2016 #15 Share Posted May 1, 2016 Greg, Thanks for the wonderful photos. ;) My pleasure :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted May 1, 2016 #16 Share Posted May 1, 2016 When the STAR did DD at Vigor Portland OR there were a few photo optpoints to see what was being done. The STAR did not have a good result of DD at Vigor having to be ferried to Freeport in the Bahamas to finish the work on the Azipods (engines). So this may explain why the DD is not being done at Portland or simply put change in schedule to have it done somewhere else (SFO) ? Wonder if the DD at SFO has any points to see what is being done to the hull ? Obviously can't see what is being done inside the ship ? What pier is the DD near ? - Don't know if there is any satellite imaging on the internet to see it ? As with most yards in the US, due to environmental concerns, the entire dock is tented while blasting and painting the hull to prevent spray and drift, so it gets very hard to see what is going on below the top of the dock's wing walls. If you got in a boat in the bay, you might get a look down the length of the dock, but the back end is pretty well blocked by yard equipment and then a whole area of old pier pilings, so again difficult to get a view. I believe that NCL was underwhelmed by the work done at Vigor in Portland, which is why the Sun went to BAE, which they have used quite a lot before for the West Coast ships. Not too many choices on that coast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fshagan Posted May 1, 2016 #17 Share Posted May 1, 2016 I believe that NCL was underwhelmed by the work done at Vigor in Portland, which is why the Sun went to BAE, which they have used quite a lot before for the West Coast ships. Not too many choices on that coast. Is it common for cruise lines to use US-based yards for this work? I know it made sense for NCL to use BAE in SFC for the POA since she is US flagged, but I thought most cruise lines used yards in the Caribbean and elsewhere for the dry dock work. It would be nice to see more work in US yards, but I thought we had made ourselves less competitive in this area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted May 1, 2016 #18 Share Posted May 1, 2016 Is it common for cruise lines to use US-based yards for this work? I know it made sense for NCL to use BAE in SFC for the POA since she is US flagged, but I thought most cruise lines used yards in the Caribbean and elsewhere for the dry dock work. It would be nice to see more work in US yards, but I thought we had made ourselves less competitive in this area. There are only 3 yards available for commercial ship repair on the West Coast: BAE SF, Vigor Portland, and Victoria in BC. Depending on a ship's routing, many times it doesn't make sense to transit a ship to the Caribbean from the West Coast for a shipyard. Given that most of the "refurbishments" (all those remodeling and upgrading to the hotel that are not part of a technical drydocking) are done by foreign sub-contractors the cost increase for the US (or Canadian) shipyard is offset against the repositioning cost back and forth. As for our competitiveness, even US flag ships have found that foreign yards (even accounting for the 50% customs duty on the total bill) are cheaper than US yards, and many yards in the US are not very interested in commercial ship repair with its tight scheduling and competitive cost structure, in comparison to US Navy work with virtually unlimited timelines and no profit concerns by the customer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare rafinmd Posted May 1, 2016 #19 Share Posted May 1, 2016 There are only 3 yards available for commercial ship repair on the West Coast: BAE SF, Vigor Portland, and Victoria in BC. Depending on a ship's routing, many times it doesn't make sense to transit a ship to the Caribbean from the West Coast for a shipyard. Given that most of the "refurbishments" (all those remodeling and upgrading to the hotel that are not part of a technical drydocking) are done by foreign sub-contractors the cost increase for the US (or Canadian) shipyard is offset against the repositioning cost back and forth. As for our competitiveness, even US flag ships have found that foreign yards (even accounting for the 50% customs duty on the total bill) are cheaper than US yards, and many yards in the US are not very interested in commercial ship repair with its tight scheduling and competitive cost structure, in comparison to US Navy work with virtually unlimited timelines and no profit concerns by the customer. Does the Victoria yard have a significant competitive advantage over it's US counterparts or is it pretty close to the same situation? Roy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted May 1, 2016 #20 Share Posted May 1, 2016 Does the Victoria yard have a significant competitive advantage over it's US counterparts or is it pretty close to the same situation? Roy I'm not sure of the regulatory environment in Canada, but I think its pretty close to the US, so unless there are significant subsidies, its probably close to the same cost basis as the US West Coast yards. Though for the POA, the same 50% customs duty would apply as any other foreign yard, so for a US flag ship there would be a significant penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMCOLT Posted May 1, 2016 #21 Share Posted May 1, 2016 A freind took this picture yesterday of the Sun in drydock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gcvt Posted May 2, 2016 #22 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Swung down there today to have a look... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimsig Posted May 2, 2016 #23 Share Posted May 2, 2016 ....Pier 27 is actually only 4 piers away from Pier 15"... It must be that new common core math :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimsig Posted May 2, 2016 #24 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Great shots, thanks!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philob Posted May 2, 2016 #25 Share Posted May 2, 2016 It must be that new common core math :D It's more like 6 piers :confused: SF piers are even numbered south of the Ferry Building and odd numbered north. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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