SadieN Posted June 5, 2016 #26 Share Posted June 5, 2016 ....... We did it the envelope way on our first Celebrity cruise as they didn't have the auto tips and absolutely hated it. Felt like we were missing some people and didn't really know how much to give. It also felt very awkward that last night handing out envelopes. We were so glad the next time when they were added to our account. My first two cruises were on Royal. Seemed like half the chairs were empty the last night. Maybe Carnival should go the way of NCL. Can't be removed til after the cruise. Sent from my iPhone using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nwo4life Posted June 5, 2016 #27 Share Posted June 5, 2016 Hmmm......I wouldn't consider those tipped positions, but who doesn't like getting extra money? LOL It doesn't really matter that YOU don't consider those tipped positions. It matters that those employees were hired with the expectation that their salary would be augmented with tips from passengers. When you do not pay that tip, you are shorting them a portion of their pay they are expecting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorncroft Posted June 5, 2016 #28 Share Posted June 5, 2016 My first two cruises were on Royal. Seemed like half the chairs were empty the last night. Maybe Carnival should go the way of NCL. Can't be removed til after the cruise. Sent from my iPhone using Forums mobile app That would be fine to have to jump through some awkward hoops to claim that your vacation was the pits. Tip removal would probably plummet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firemanbobswife Posted June 5, 2016 #29 Share Posted June 5, 2016 My first two cruises were on Royal. Seemed like half the chairs were empty the last night. Maybe Carnival should go the way of NCL. Can't be removed til after the cruise. Sent from my iPhone using Forums mobile app That would be the next best thing to making them mandatory. I would be satisfied with either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elaine5715 Posted June 5, 2016 #30 Share Posted June 5, 2016 I wonder often why the dining team gets so much when the room stewards work just as hard? Why not divide it equally? Because there are three people on each wait team who each work at least two if not three meals. The steward team have two Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorncroft Posted June 5, 2016 #31 Share Posted June 5, 2016 (edited) It doesn't really matter that YOU don't consider those tipped positions. It matters that those employees were hired with the expectation that their salary would be augmented with tips from passengers. When you do not pay that tip, you are shorting them a portion of their pay they are expecting. Who said anything about shorting them? I just wanted to know who they were. "Alternate services team" is rather ambiguous. If they were the "rowing team", I'd probably be inclined to give them a little bit more. Edited June 5, 2016 by Thorncroft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabalon Posted June 5, 2016 #32 Share Posted June 5, 2016 Taking the Glory as an example - just shy of 3,000 passengers, so I'm rounding up to 3000. Stateroom Services - $11,700/day Dining Services - $18,300/day Alternative Services - $6,000/day For a total of $36,000/day in gratuities (yes, rounding up slightly ($322), and that is assuming no one pulls them off) There is a crew of 1,160. That comes out to $31/day per crew member. I'm sure some of them are non-tipped - no idea of the breakdown - so that number would probably go up some, but even if only 800 were paid from gratuities, that's $45/day or annualized, $16k - for some damn serious work. Yeah...I'll leave my tips on my S&S and call it part of the overall cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare LMaxwell Posted June 5, 2016 #33 Share Posted June 5, 2016 Taking the Glory as an example - just shy of 3,000 passengers, so I'm rounding up to 3000. Stateroom Services - $11,700/day Dining Services - $18,300/day Alternative Services - $6,000/day For a total of $36,000/day in gratuities (yes, rounding up slightly ($322), and that is assuming no one pulls them off) There is a crew of 1,160. That comes out to $31/day per crew member. I'm sure some of them are non-tipped - no idea of the breakdown - so that number would probably go up some, but even if only 800 were paid from gratuities, that's $45/day or annualized, $16k - for some damn serious work. Yeah...I'll leave my tips on my S&S and call it part of the overall cost. I think the number in the tip pool is probably much, much lower than 800 people out of 1160 crew. Crew includes the engineers, maritime officers, onboard management, etc. If I had to guess the number is probably closer to 400-500 range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorncroft Posted June 5, 2016 #34 Share Posted June 5, 2016 (edited) Taking the Glory as an example - just shy of 3,000 passengers, so I'm rounding up to 3000. Stateroom Services - $11,700/day Dining Services - $18,300/day Alternative Services - $6,000/day For a total of $36,000/day in gratuities (yes, rounding up slightly ($322), and that is assuming no one pulls them off) There is a crew of 1,160. That comes out to $31/day per crew member. I'm sure some of them are non-tipped - no idea of the breakdown - so that number would probably go up some, but even if only 800 were paid from gratuities, that's $45/day or annualized, $16k - for some damn serious work. Yeah...I'll leave my tips on my S&S and call it part of the overall cost. They make considerably more than that. Pretty sure that you're over estimating the number of tipped employees. Just looking at the cabin stewards. Their portion is $3.90 pp/pd. If they service 35 cabins, double occupancy, as we're hearing now, they're making over $8000 a month if they don't split with an assistant. Edited June 5, 2016 by Thorncroft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deborahjo Posted June 5, 2016 #35 Share Posted June 5, 2016 Alternative Services should be removed from your figures. It goes to salaried employees not service fee employees. Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podna's Posted June 5, 2016 #36 Share Posted June 5, 2016 Alternative Services should be removed from your figures. It goes to salaried employees not service fee employees. Sent from my iPhone using Forums 1st, absolutely not true and 2nd we heard you the 1st time (post 21) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorncroft Posted June 5, 2016 #37 Share Posted June 5, 2016 More speculation from the king of snark, and vice versa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SadieN Posted June 5, 2016 #38 Share Posted June 5, 2016 Because there are three people on each wait team who each work at least two if not three meals. The steward team have two Our Miracle steward (for three cruises) had one full time assistant and shared a third. Sent from my iPhone using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted June 5, 2016 #39 Share Posted June 5, 2016 They make considerably more than that. Pretty sure that you're over estimating the number of tipped employees. Just looking at the cabin stewards. Their portion is $3.90 pp/pd. If they service 35 cabins, double occupancy, as we're hearing now, they're making over $8000 a month if they don't split with an assistant. Of course some of it goes to the assistant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
repo-cruiser Posted June 5, 2016 #40 Share Posted June 5, 2016 "Merlyn Parola, 42, is from the Philippines, and is a 15-year Carnival veteran currently on the Carnival Fascination." "The pay is fair: Pay comes mostly from pooled passenger gratuities. "The salary is good, I can't complain. I pay for my son's education and I support my family," said Berzina. "Imagine how many years I've been with the company. If I'm not happy, maybe I'm out of here," said Parola. "I am saving a lot." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mondello Posted June 5, 2016 #41 Share Posted June 5, 2016 I can pretty much guarantee that they're not making $8000/month. Also, many of the crew come from countries like the Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, etc., especially the Philippines, where they have to leave their country to find work. They put up with endless hours because their families back home are depending on them for support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUT2407 Posted June 5, 2016 #42 Share Posted June 5, 2016 I can pretty much guarantee that they're not making $8000/month. Also, many of the crew come from countries like the Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, etc., especially the Philippines, where they have to leave their country to find work. They put up with endless hours because their families back home are depending on them for support. And why do you think the rest of us put up with endless hours?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flamencacha Posted June 5, 2016 #43 Share Posted June 5, 2016 They make considerably more than that. Pretty sure that you're over estimating the number of tipped employees. Just looking at the cabin stewards. Their portion is $3.90 pp/pd. If they service 35 cabins, double occupancy, as we're hearing now, they're making over $8000 a month if they don't split with an assistant. 35 cabins? Isn't that excessive? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUT2407 Posted June 5, 2016 #44 Share Posted June 5, 2016 35 cabins? Isn't that excessive? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Seems more like 20 in my experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmathias12 Posted June 5, 2016 #45 Share Posted June 5, 2016 How about carnival just charging the 12.95 a day extra pp in the cabin charge and advertise as the gratuities are all inclusive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUT2407 Posted June 5, 2016 #46 Share Posted June 5, 2016 How about carnival just charging the 12.95 a day extra pp in the cabin charge and advertise as the gratuities are all inclusive According to many on CC the world of cruising would implode, the crew would starve etc etc etc. In spite of it working perfectly well in other parts of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swissmiss6253 Posted June 5, 2016 #47 Share Posted June 5, 2016 I, too, think it should be just part of the fare. Why do people want to hand it out personally? Is it because they think that otherwise it is kept by the organisation and not distributed or because they want to be personally thanked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flamencacha Posted June 5, 2016 #48 Share Posted June 5, 2016 I, too, think it should be just part of the fare. Why do people want to hand it out personally? Is it because they think that otherwise it is kept by the organisation and not distributed or because they want to be personally thanked? It's a feel good item. Tipping is suppose to be for good service. I pay the mandatory service fee, and Tip for above and beyond. No I don't consider it double tipping. The service fee "Tips", is just an add on to your cruise price. I don't really believe that the cruise lines do not disperse the service fees, but like most organizations I suspect there is a handling fee. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUT2407 Posted June 5, 2016 #49 Share Posted June 5, 2016 It's a feel good item. Tipping is suppose to be for good service. I pay the mandatory service fee, and Tip for above and beyond. No I don't consider it double tipping. The service fee "Tips", is just an add on to your cruise price. I don't really believe that the cruise lines do not disperse the service fees, but like most organizations I suspect there is a handling fee. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk What's supposed to be the difference between a service fee and a tip, they are both meant to provide me a service, I should be paying one or the other not both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickrate Posted June 5, 2016 #50 Share Posted June 5, 2016 Alternative Services should be removed from your figures. It goes to salaried employees not service fee employees. Sent from my iPhone using Forums From what I understand, alternative services include those on Lido who fix your burgers, make your burritos, a pizza at midnight, a deli sandwich. Also, the staff member who is cleaning the bathrooms, vacuuming the floors, etc. This is alternative staff. $2.00 a day per person isn't going to break our bank and these are hard working people. Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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