Another push for a terminal for Newcastle

[mrs and mrs]

I was always under the impression, that Barangaroo, was going to be the cruise terminal site.

Departed here many years ago on the Sea Princess, out of a temporary tent structure.

Investigating this morning ,i discovered that it was shifted to White Bay ,with problems of pollution etc,etc.

So I lost contact with what was happening.

Here is my solution,

Have the 3 operating, White Bay, Barangaroo and the O.P.T.

 

White Bay: Fix shore to ship, power.(is it that hard)

Transport.Dont know much about this, apart from it cost us $30 in a taxi from Darling Harbour to White Bay.(wow)

Barangaroo:Not sure what happened here, but Packer had a vision. Sounded good to me Hotel, casino ,dining, and a walk to ship.

O.P.T sounds all good.

 

So the major problem seems to be that ships cannot transit under the bridge.

Well I like Mics idea, raise the damn bridge and operate all three. Would probably be the cheapest and most viable option, and would kill 2 birds with 1 stone .Expand and allow multiple entries of larger ships and bring the bridge into the new century with an extended life.

[GUT2407]

I was always under the impression, that Barangaroo, was going to be the cruise terminal site.

Departed here many years ago on the Sea Princess, out of a temporary tent structure.

Investigating this morning ,i discovered that it was shifted to White Bay ,with problems of pollution etc,etc.

So I lost contact with what was happening.

Here is my solution,

Have the 3 operating, White Bay, Barangaroo and the O.P.T.

 

White Bay: Fix shore to ship, power.(is it that hard)

Transport.Dont know much about this, apart from it cost us $30 in a taxi from Darling Harbour to White Bay.(wow)

Barangaroo:Not sure what happened here, but Packer had a vision. Sounded good to me Hotel, casino ,dining, and a walk to ship.

O.P.T sounds all good.

 

So the major problem seems to be that ships cannot transit under the bridge.

Well I like Mics idea, raise the damn bridge and operate all three. Would probably be the cheapest and most viable option, and would kill 2 birds with 1 stone .Expand and allow multiple entries of larger ships and bring the bridge into the new century with an extended life.

 

Bangaroo the ship would block the view so JP couldn't charge as much.

 

Shore to ship power the rocket scientists didn't put in the infrastructure, so actually it'd cost a fair old wack, a loooot of power required.

 

The biggest problem with both is "The Coathanger"

[mrs and mrs]

That is why I'm saying the cheapest solution and maybe the most logical decision would be to raise it.

 

I wont get into knocking J.P or anyone with a vision, for the future of this great country.

But unfortunately, this is why we are stuck in quick-sand, because of past, tall poppy syndrome.

The rest of the World is flying, and we are treading water because of past dithering, and lack of vision.

Here was a person, who wanted to spend his own money, to develop major infrastructure, who cares if he makes 1,2,3,4 billion, down the track.

We all benefit.

 

P/S. maybe we could have a national collection of extension cords for White Bay.

Edited September 16, 2016 by mrs and mrs
to early in the morning spelling

[LoneStarCruisinCouple]

That is why I'm saying the cheapest solution and maybe the most logical decision would be to raise it.

 

I wont get into knocking J.P or anyone with a vision, for the future of this great country.

But unfortunately, this is why we are stuck in quick-sand, because of past, tall poppy syndrome.

The rest of the World is flying, and we are treading water because of past dithering, and lack of vision.

Here was a person, who wanted to spend his own money, to develop major infrastructure, who cares if he makes 1,2,3,4 billion, down the track.

We all benefit.

 

P/S. maybe we could have a national collection of extension cords for White Bay.

 

G'Day There Ladies and Gentlemen, Sounds to me as if all of you fine folks there in The Land From Down Under are still having a FUNTASTIC TIME of it.

Oh How I long to meet each and everyone of you as you have something that is so very special in this day and age. That is how to laugh and enjoy and get the most out of Life, regardless of the situation. Guess one of the reasons that Lisa and I enjoy cruising with Scenic so much is all the fine and wonderful folks from Australia.

Have a Great and Wonderful Weekend.

Lisa and Gary

LoneStarCruisinCouple

[Brisbane41]

Yes, the train only gets you to Hamilton, goodness knows why they thought that was a good thing for anyone except the developers now being able to build multi-level skyscrapers where the line was.:(

 

It was the best decision for that city they have ever done to rip up the train line. It was ridiculous that a heavy train line run into the centre of the city. Could you imagine overland/road rail lines through the Sydney CBD? At least it brings Newcastle into the future and will allow it to have a major train station as a transport hub and eventually smaller more traffic friendly transport around the city.

 

Besides Newcastle station was a feral, bogan infested drug hole full of undesirables that need to be moved on. It was absolutely shocking the types of degenerates that frequented that area.

[David1951]

I seem to remember also some talk if moving the navy from garden island to Port Kembla harbour to free up Garden island for development and a cruise terminal

[mrs and mrs]

 

Besides Newcastle station was a feral, bogan infested drug hole full of undesirables that need to be moved on. It was absolutely shocking the types of degenerates that frequented that area.

 

As are many around the country and world.

[MicCanberra]

It was the best decision for that city they have ever done to rip up the train line. It was ridiculous that a heavy train line run into the centre of the city. Could you imagine overland/road rail lines through the Sydney CBD? At least it brings Newcastle into the future and will allow it to have a major train station as a transport hub and eventually smaller more traffic friendly transport around the city.

 

Besides Newcastle station was a feral, bogan infested drug hole full of undesirables that need to be moved on. It was absolutely shocking the types of degenerates that frequented that area.

 

Stopping the train going into Newcastle without replacing it with a lighter rail or something similar will cost Newcastle CBD dearly.

[Kiwi Kruzer]

It was the best decision for that city they have ever done to rip up the train line. It was ridiculous that a heavy train line run into the centre of the city. Could you imagine overland/road rail lines through the Sydney CBD? At least it brings Newcastle into the future and will allow it to have a major train station as a transport hub and eventually smaller more traffic friendly transport around the city.

 

Besides Newcastle station was a feral, bogan infested drug hole full of undesirables that need to be moved on. It was absolutely shocking the types of degenerates that frequented that area.

 

Thanks for the heads up. We were planning on visiting there next time we are in Sydney , as we have done all the Sydney sights. We will heed your warning and keep clear. Its great to get the real oil from the locals.

[Brisbane41]

Stopping the train going into Newcastle without replacing it with a lighter rail or something similar will cost Newcastle CBD dearly.

 

Its happening I believe. The whole of NSW infrastructure is totally screwed. Until you have tried the public transport in a country that has efficient transport it kind of gives a big wake up call that Australia as a whole is sadly lacking in public transport all over the country.

[daisyscooter]

The light rail is coming, this is a case of cut the nose to save the face. They had to remove one to build the other because there was talk of the light rail going along the heavy rail line. I'm for the light rail,it will open the harbour up so much.

[mrs and mrs]

Its happening I believe. The whole of NSW infrastructure is totally screwed. Until you have tried the public transport in a country that has efficient transport it kind of gives a big wake up call that Australia as a whole is sadly lacking in public transport all over the country.

 

So one wonders how a country can move forward , with no-one wanting to pay, a diminishing tax base, and an ageing population.

 

IMMIGRATION, maybe.

 

Or just carry on with the good old She'll be Right attitude.

[MicCanberra]

Its happening I believe. The whole of NSW infrastructure is totally screwed. Until you have tried the public transport in a country that has efficient transport it kind of gives a big wake up call that Australia as a whole is sadly lacking in public transport all over the country.

 

Exactly which astound s me why they removed the train.:(

[MicCanberra]

The light rail is coming, this is a case of cut the nose to save the face. They had to remove one to build the other because there was talk of the light rail going along the heavy rail line. I'm for the light rail,it will open the harbour up so much.

 

I am glad they are replacing it at least with a what sounds like a better option.:D

[The_Big_M]

I was always under the impression, that Barangaroo, was going to be the cruise terminal site.

 

...

Barangaroo:Not sure what happened here, but Packer had a vision. Sounded good to me Hotel, casino ,dining, and a walk to ship.

 

Actually, it was Packer and Keating that lobbied for its removal. It was in the plans until Packer put his casino proposal in which removed the terminal. Keating had also been lobbying for its removal. The government accepted Packer's proposal which meant a new home for the cruise terminal had to be found, since the temporary ones were also going. And White bay was born as a quickie solution.

[Gnomey]

Well, I think we have a partial solution here if I can piece all the suggestions together. New Cruise terminal at Newcastle, replacing all trains with steam trains because they were quicker. Move the navy out to Port Kembla and put in another facility at Garden Island and/or.....thanks to the generosity of cruise critic forum members who have graciously donated their spare extension leads, cruise ships can turn off their diesel generators at White Elephant Bay easing the pollution problem. If we all donate an extra lead, they might even fit two ships in at a time! :eek: And now my rather excellent suggestion (humble me!) rather than raising the harbour bridge to fit in the bigger ships, why don't we just drain a bit out of the barbour whenever they pass under the bridge. Stormwater runoff will soon replace what we drain out anyway. :D

 

Aren't we all such a clever lot. All the Government has to do is pull some steam locos out of the museum and put in some decent parking/access to White Elephant Bay and the new terminal at Newcastle. Hmm wonder if they'll need some extension leads up there too?

 

Steve.

[The_Big_M]

It was the best decision for that city they have ever done to rip up the train line. It was ridiculous that a heavy train line run into the centre of the city. Could you imagine overland/road rail lines through the Sydney CBD?

 

Why? Many cities successfully do it - and Sydney is hardly the model designed city to copy!

 

It was actually super convenient, and most successful cities have direct access similar.

 

 

At least it brings Newcastle into the future and will allow it to have a major train station as a transport hub and eventually smaller more traffic friendly transport around the city.

 

How many cities have a successful transport hub outside the city?

 

Relying on road transport actually makes it more "traffic unfriendly " thanks to the increase in congestion.

 

Besides Newcastle station was a feral, bogan infested drug hole full of undesirables that need to be moved on. It was absolutely shocking the types of degenerates that frequented that area.

 

It was actually mostly clean and clear around the station. Sure, if you visited late in the evening, homeless people were around - but a) that's not a reason to get rid of it - and wouldn't you expect the same to happen at your "futuristic transport hub" and b) as a regular tourist, visitor or local, there was little reason to be there at that time or impact from that.

[The_Big_M]

 

Aren't we all such a clever lot. All the Government has to do is pull some steam locos out of the museum and put in some decent parking/access to White Elephant Bay and the new terminal at Newcastle. Hmm wonder if they'll need some extension leads up there too?

 

Steve.

 

:p

 

They're one step ahead of you though. This government's shutting down the Powerhouse museum at Ultimo so those steam trains on display can be readily moved on to the nearby tracks nearby to serve White Bay around the corner. :-)

[MicCanberra]

Well, I think we have a partial solution here if I can piece all the suggestions together. New Cruise terminal at Newcastle, replacing all trains with steam trains because they were quicker. Move the navy out to Port Kembla and put in another facility at Garden Island and/or.....thanks to the generosity of cruise critic forum members who have graciously donated their spare extension leads, cruise ships can turn off their diesel generators at White Elephant Bay easing the pollution problem. If we all donate an extra lead, they might even fit two ships in at a time! :eek: And now my rather excellent suggestion (humble me!) rather than raising the harbour bridge to fit in the bigger ships, why don't we just drain a bit out of the barbour whenever they pass under the bridge. Stormwater runoff will soon replace what we drain out anyway. :D

 

Aren't we all such a clever lot. All the Government has to do is pull some steam locos out of the museum and put in some decent parking/access to White Elephant Bay and the new terminal at Newcastle. Hmm wonder if they'll need some extension leads up there too?

 

Steve.

 

Excellent solutions, with just one main issue. You haven't made it clear that the Government or anyone else is making a motza and as you know if that isn't clear it will never get Gov. approval.

[MicCanberra]

:p

 

they're one step ahead of you though. This government's shutting down the powerhouse museum at ultimo so those steam trains on display can be readily moved on to the nearby tracks nearby to serve white bay around the corner. :-)

 

lol.:d

[GUT2407]

Well, I think we have a partial solution here if I can piece all the suggestions together. New Cruise terminal at Newcastle, replacing all trains with steam trains because they were quicker. Move the navy out to Port Kembla and put in another facility at Garden Island and/or.....thanks to the generosity of cruise critic forum members who have graciously donated their spare extension leads, cruise ships can turn off their diesel generators at White Elephant Bay easing the pollution problem. If we all donate an extra lead, they might even fit two ships in at a time! :eek: And now my rather excellent suggestion (humble me!) rather than raising the harbour bridge to fit in the bigger ships, why don't we just drain a bit out of the barbour whenever they pass under the bridge. Stormwater runoff will soon replace what we drain out anyway. :D

 

Aren't we all such a clever lot. All the Government has to do is pull some steam locos out of the museum and put in some decent parking/access to White Elephant Bay and the new terminal at Newcastle. Hmm wonder if they'll need some extension leads up there too?

 

Steve.

 

I've often wondered why they just don't drain a bit of water, or take a few foot out of the bottom of the harbour (like one of them tax schemes you used to hear about), you must be a nutter like me, my mob always says "Dad you're a nutter" and I figure it's cause I'm good at nutting out problems, seems like you are too.

[mrs and mrs]

Actually, it was Packer and Keating that lobbied for its removal. It was in the plans until Packer put his casino proposal in which removed the terminal. Keating had also been lobbying for its removal. The government accepted Packer's proposal which meant a new home for the cruise terminal had to be found, since the temporary ones were also going. And White bay was born as a quickie solution.

 

I was under the impression, that the gov at the time threw so many hurdles at the casino idea that, he had to redesign, re-work, and offer the current model to appease them, just to get it over the line.

 

Paul Keating opposed many aspects of the proposed development.

 

So who-ever is right or wrong, its a shame that, its not a hub for cruise ships, it is a magnificent area, walking down from Darling Harbour, into Barangaroo and beyond.

Edited September 17, 2016 by mrs and mrs

[Brisbane41]

Why? Many cities successfully do it - and Sydney is hardly the model designed city to copy!

 

It was actually super convenient, and most successful cities have direct access similar.

 

 

 

 

How many cities have a successful transport hub outside the city?

 

Relying on road transport actually makes it more "traffic unfriendly " thanks to the increase in congestion.

 

 

 

It was actually mostly clean and clear around the station. Sure, if you visited late in the evening, homeless people were around - but a) that's not a reason to get rid of it - and wouldn't you expect the same to happen at your "futuristic transport hub" and b) as a regular tourist, visitor or local, there was little reason to be there at that time or impact from that.

 

The rail line killed the city. I have been there since and it is much better with the rail line gone and the city is starting to thrive.

 

No major city has heavy rail going through the CBD. London, Tokyo, Canberra, Singapore and many more have the heavy rail on surrounding areas or underground rail. Sydney is the same. Central Station is certainly not in the CBD and the train line comes west and up from the south avoiding the main areas of the city.

 

Newcastle Station was always a drug whole full of undesirables. It was rotten and filthy and the area to the south of it was nothing to be proud of. It reeks of the rotten stench of urine, covered in graffiti and I could go on forever about how bad the city has been in the past. At least the new honeysuckle development is making the city start thriving again and turning it into something more family friendly and desirable.

[MicCanberra]

Thanks for putting Canberra in that esteemed company of major cities. :D

 

Personally I would consider that London, Sydney and Tokyo do have major rail networks servicing the cities as well as light rail and buses.

[Brisbane41]

Thanks for putting Canberra in that esteemed company of major cities. :D

 

Personally I would consider that London, Sydney and Tokyo do have major rail networks servicing the cities as well as light rail and buses.

 

Yeah but the rail is all underground which is the big difference. There are no heavy rail lines running on the surface of the land in the CBD of those cities.