Smoking On Your Balcony But Our Vacation!!

[John&LaLa]

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Edited December 11, 2016 by John&LaLa

[Thetrail]

 

 

 

You can hope all you want. I hope that I will win the lottery. But I am also smart enough to know that the likelihood is slim to none. The difference is that I play mostly my state lottery which helps fund education, so I just consider the $30 or so a year I spend a donation. Big difference between pocket change and the cost of a cruise. Oh, and the lottery follows the rules and jails cheats.

 

 

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"Oh and the lottery follows the rules and jails cheats?....:confused::confused:

[troykahack]

"Oh and the lottery follows the rules and jails cheats?....:confused::confused:

 

And not my post either..... lol

[davekathy]

Roce48...this was my post (#93) to you.

 

There is an area out of the elements on RCI ships you are allowed to smoke. The casino.Here's what is posted on RCI website under FAQ. Agree that the no smoking policy needs to be enforced and just about everyone that has posted on this thread will agree with you.

 

...Smoking is not permitted inside any stateroom and any stateroom balcony. This applies to all stateroom categories onboard. If a guest is in violation of this stateroom policy, a cleaning fee of $250 USD will be applied to their SeaPass® account and may be subject to further action pursuant to the "Consequences Section" of the Guest Conduct Policy...

Edited December 11, 2016 by davekathy

[davekathy]

I can't think of an RC ship where you cannot avoid the casino no matter where you want to go.

 

This original post belongs to troykahack. Why my name showed as the OP is beyond me. I realize it wasn't you Bob. There is a couple of posts that way. Looks someone is being real creative with the cut and copy feature and needs to stop cutting the original quote boxes! I think the host needs to lock this thread down due to posting and quoting issues created by someone.

Edited December 11, 2016 by davekathy

[troykahack]

 

This original post belongs to troykahack. Why my name showed as the OP is beyond me. I realize it wasn't you Bob. There is a couple of posts that way. Looks someone is being real creative with the cut and copy feature and needs to stop cutting the original quote boxes! I think the host needs to lock this thread down due to posting and quoting issues created by someone.

 

It was explained above and has to do with a double quote... once it starts, it continues until the lower quote in brackets is removed as was done above.

 

And, it almost got me here.... I had to delete the middle quote from Bob, otherwise it would say this was his quote and not yours.

Edited December 11, 2016 by troykahack

[davekathy]

It was explained above and has to do with a double quote... once it starts, it continues until the lower quote in brackets is removed as was done above.

 

And, it almost got me here.... I had to delete the middle quote from Bob, otherwise it would say this was his quote and not yours.

 

I read that. Hopefully it will end here! I for one do not appreciate my name being tagged on a quote I never said. Quoting, copying, cutting and pasting is not a difficult function to do properly. Done with my rant.

[troykahack]

I read that. Hopefully it will end here! I for one do not appreciate my name being tagged on a quote I never said. Quoting, copying, cutting and pasting is not a difficult function to do properly. Done with my rant.

 

Agree ..... makes me look too nice and reasonable ..... and even a bit smarter.... gosh I hate that...

[davekathy]

Agree ..... makes me look too nice and reasonable ..... and even a bit smarter.... gosh I hate that...

 

Your best post ever...;o)

[ducklite]

It was explained above and has to do with a double quote... once it starts, it continues until the lower quote in brackets is removed as was done above.

 

And, it almost got me here.... I had to delete the middle quote from Bob, otherwise it would say this was his quote and not yours.

 

 

 

Also when using Tapatalk on a tablet or phone you don't have the option to easily make fixes like you do with the PC version.

 

 

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[shelly66]

So I can't take an iron on the ship because of its potential to start a fire. Not only is it against the written rules, but they will confiscate it the minute they see it. And yet my neighbors can smoke (i.e.: burn) a cigarette on their balcony, flick it into the wind and there's nothing RCI can/will do about it?

 

I know where talking about the smell and health risks, but what about the risk of fire and the safety of every person on the ship? Isn't this far more worrisome? It is absolutely unsafe and unacceptable.

[troykahack]

So I can't take an iron on the ship because of its potential to start a fire. Not only is it against the written rules, but they will confiscate it the minute they see it. And yet my neighbors can smoke (i.e.: burn) a cigarette on their balcony, flick it into the wind and there's nothing RCI can/will do about it?

 

I know where talking about the smell and health risks, but what about the risk of fire and the safety of every person on the ship? Isn't this far more worrisome? It is absolutely unsafe and unacceptable.

 

Doesn't make much since, does it...?????

[BeachChik]

So I can't take an iron on the ship because of its potential to start a fire. Not only is it against the written rules, but they will confiscate it the minute they see it. And yet my neighbors can smoke (i.e.: burn) a cigarette on their balcony, flick it into the wind and there's nothing RCI can/will do about it?

 

I know where talking about the smell and health risks, but what about the risk of fire and the safety of every person on the ship? Isn't this far more worrisome? It is absolutely unsafe and unacceptable.

 

I am not a smoker and have never smoked but I don't believe balcony smoking was stopped due to safety. It didn't go into effect until 2014. Was is safe for 40 years and suddenly became unsafe? And smoking is allowed in the casino which is no more safe than balcony smoking.

 

In 40-50 years of the major lines sailing only one ship possibly had a fire due to a balcony smoker. It was never determined 100% that was the cause and that ship was built with flammable materials which aren't used anymore.

 

It was stopped because times have changed and less people smoke now. They are catering to their largest group of people which is non smokers.

 

Per their own press release at the time it was done based on guest feedback. But excluded Asia cruises. If it was a safety issue it wouldn't be allowed on any sailings.

 

http://www.cruisecritic.com/news/news.cfm?ID=5510

[janrey1234]

Can you provide a link to the final report stating this fire was caused by smoking ? It would be great to have confirmation this was the cause. I also understood the fatality was the result of a heart attack.

 

The best I've been able to find is a report the cause of the fire was indeterminate, and thought to be caused by improperly disposed of smoking material.

 

The cause of death was not a heart attack http://www.internationalcruisevictims.org/LatestMemberStories/Richard_Liffridge.html. This is from a relative.

[Paulxyz2004]

So I can't take an iron on the ship because of its potential to start a fire. Not only is it against the written rules, but they will confiscate it the minute they see it. And yet my neighbors can smoke (i.e.: burn) a cigarette on their balcony, flick it into the wind and there's nothing RCI can/will do about it?

 

I know where talking about the smell and health risks, but what about the risk of fire and the safety of every person on the ship? Isn't this far more worrisome? It is absolutely unsafe and unacceptable.

 

Lets be real the Smoking issue has nothing to do with safety. Smoking is not a fire hazard and not a safety risk. Throwing Butts overboard is, but not the Smoking. Smoking on a balcony is not any riskier than Smoking in the designated Smoking Zone on an outside deck. As Long as the smoker does not throw the butt overboard there´s simply no risk at all.

 

Just for the record I´m talking about fire hazard here, not about health risks.

I´m a non-smoker myself and not really fond about the smell, but then I´ve never been bothered By it on a balcony.

 

Of Course my own Experience is not statistical, but in all my Cruises I´ve never encountered a fire caused By a cigarette, but there´s been two incidents with cabins burning and sprinklers flooding several cabins around the one with the fire. Wanna guess what the cause of the fires were?

Hair straighteners in both cases. I guess I´d rather have them on the prohibited list and allow Smoking on the balconies again;)

[troykahack]

Lets be real the Smoking issue has nothing to do with safety. Smoking is not a fire hazard and not a safety risk. Throwing Butts overboard is, but not the Smoking. Smoking on a balcony is not any riskier than Smoking in the designated Smoking Zone on an outside deck. As Long as the smoker does not throw the butt overboard there´s simply no risk at all.

 

Just for the record I´m talking about fire hazard here, not about health risks.

I´m a non-smoker myself and not really fond about the smell, but then I´ve never been bothered By it on a balcony.

 

Of Course my own Experience is not statistical, but in all my Cruises I´ve never encountered a fire caused By a cigarette, but there´s been two incidents with cabins burning and sprinklers flooding several cabins around the one with the fire. Wanna guess what the cause of the fires were?

Hair straighteners in both cases. I guess I´d rather have them on the prohibited list and allow Smoking on the balconies again;)

 

Were does one put their cigarette butts when smoking on a balcony. There are no ash trays in a cabin or balcony??

Edited December 13, 2016 by troykahack

[grouchomarx]

Lets be real the Smoking issue has nothing to do with safety. Smoking is not a fire hazard and not a safety risk. Throwing Butts overboard is, but not the Smoking. Smoking on a balcony is not any riskier than Smoking in the designated Smoking Zone on an outside deck. As Long as the smoker does not throw the butt overboard there´s simply no risk at all.

 

Just for the record I´m talking about fire hazard here, not about health risks.

I´m a non-smoker myself and not really fond about the smell, but then I´ve never been bothered By it on a balcony.

 

Of Course my own Experience is not statistical, but in all my Cruises I´ve never encountered a fire caused By a cigarette, but there´s been two incidents with cabins burning and sprinklers flooding several cabins around the one with the fire. Wanna guess what the cause of the fires were?

Hair straighteners in both cases. I guess I´d rather have them on the prohibited list and allow Smoking on the balconies again;)

 

You simply can't be serious, can you??????????

[Lionesss]

Were does one put their cigarette butts when smoking on a balcony. There are no ash trays in a cabin or balcony??

 

 

 

10 years ago when I smoked on the Disney Magic, there was an ashtray mounted to the outer panel on the balcony that the cabin attendant would empty.

 

When I legally smoked up to a couple years ago, RCI provided a butt can left on the balcony and the cabin attendant would empty it.

 

However, there were some days it was quite full so I bought a can of soda and used it as an extra butt can on the balcony.

 

 

Now, and for the almost last 6ish years smoke free.

Never looked back...............not preaching, just sharing my accomplishment.

 

Safe travels.

[ksuds]

Lets be real the Smoking issue has nothing to do with safety. Smoking is not a fire hazard and not a safety risk. Throwing Butts overboard is, but not the Smoking. Smoking on a balcony is not any riskier than Smoking in the designated Smoking Zone on an outside deck. As Long as the smoker does not throw the butt overboard there´s simply no risk at all.

 

Just for the record I´m talking about fire hazard here, not about health risks.

I´m a non-smoker myself and not really fond about the smell, but then I´ve never been bothered By it on a balcony.

 

Of Course my own Experience is not statistical, but in all my Cruises I´ve never encountered a fire caused By a cigarette, but there´s been two incidents with cabins burning and sprinklers flooding several cabins around the one with the fire. Wanna guess what the cause of the fires were?

Hair straighteners in both cases. I guess I´d rather have them on the prohibited list and allow Smoking on the balconies again;)

 

 

One of the large fires a few years back was due to an employee smoking in a back area of the ship. If anything they should be more conscious then the guests. So that just proves that the act smoking increases the odds of a fire on the ship if not extinguished properly.

[troykahack]

10 years ago when I smoked on the Disney Magic, there was an ashtray mounted to the outer panel on the balcony that the cabin attendant would empty.

 

When I legally smoked up to a couple years ago, RCI provided a butt can left on the balcony and the cabin attendant would empty it.

 

However, there were some days it was quite full so I bought a can of soda and used it as an extra butt can on the balcony.

 

 

Now, and for the almost last 6ish years smoke free.

Never looked back...............not preaching, just sharing my accomplishment.

 

Safe travels.

 

Awesome accomplishment!!! Almost 17 for me. Best thing I did in my life, quitting smoking.

 

I don't see many cans of soda aboard the ships these days. If they use something in the room to put their butts in, you would think the cabin steward would know.

[BeachChik]

You simply can't be serious, can you??????????

 

If it was such a hazard it wouldn't be allowed at all. Smoking on an open deck is no less of a risk than someone smoking on their balcony.

 

The Princess fire was in 2006 so if Royal really thought there was a fire hazard why did they wait 9 years to stop balcony smoking? And European and Asian cruises have less restrictive smoking policies. Again if it's such a hazard why is it different in different parts of the world?

 

I'll answer my own question, because the cruise lines are making the policies based on the customer for that sailing. Smoking in the US is much less common than other countries hence more restrictive policies. It is not surprising that they adjust based on whatever their largest demographic would be. That's just smart business.

[rajju077]

Lets be real the Smoking issue has nothing to do with safety. Smoking is not a fire hazard and not a safety risk. Throwing Butts overboard is, but not the Smoking. Smoking on a balcony is not any riskier than Smoking in the designated Smoking Zone on an outside deck. As Long as the smoker does not throw the butt overboard there´s simply no risk at all.

 

Just for the record I´m talking about fire hazard here, not about health risks.

I´m a non-smoker myself and not really fond about the smell, but then I´ve never been bothered By it on a balcony.

 

Of Course my own Experience is not statistical, but in all my Cruises I´ve never encountered a fire caused By a cigarette, but there´s been two incidents with cabins burning and sprinklers flooding several cabins around the one with the fire. Wanna guess what the cause of the fires were?

Hair straighteners in both cases. I guess I´d rather have them on the prohibited list and allow Smoking on the balconies again;)

 

Hair straighteners wont expose me to second hand smoke. I prefer banning them both.

[rajju077]

If it was such a hazard it wouldn't be allowed at all. Smoking on an open deck is no less of a risk than someone smoking on their balcony.

 

The Princess fire was in 2006 so if Royal really thought there was a fire hazard why did they wait 9 years to stop balcony smoking? And European and Asian cruises have less restrictive smoking policies. Again if it's such a hazard why is it different in different parts of the world?

I'll answer my own question, because the cruise lines are making the policies based on the customer for that sailing. Smoking in the US is much less common than other countries hence more restrictive policies. It is not surprising that they adjust based on whatever their largest demographic would be. That's just smart business.

 

Smoking is a fire hazard, whether you believe it or not.

 

Regarding why policies are different in different parts of the world, it depends upon type of government, lobbying from tobacco manufacturers, bill sponsors, legislatures and their respective appropriation committee (how much is this going to cost the government to enforce smoking bans etc).

[BeachChik]

One of the large fires a few years back was due to an employee smoking in a back area of the ship. If anything they should be more conscious then the guests. So that just proves that the act smoking increases the odds of a fire on the ship if not extinguished properly.

 

What ship and year?

 

Of course a cigarette can cause a fire. But let's not pretend that balcony smoking is so dangerous but smoking on an upper deck, where it's allowed, or in a casino is somehow safe. No matter where someone is smoking, a cigarette not put out can start a fire.

 

But realistically statistics show the chance of a fire is low given how many ships have sailed in the last 50 years vs the amount of fires.

[troykahack]

What ship and year?

 

Of course a cigarette can cause a fire. But let's not pretend that balcony smoking is so dangerous but smoking on an upper deck, where it's allowed, or in a casino is somehow safe. No matter where someone is smoking, a cigarette not put out can start a fire.

 

But realistically statistics show the chance of a fire is low given how many ships have sailed in the last 50 years vs the amount of fires.

 

I believe I NOW have the attention of the Casino Club Royale. Final tab was over 10,000 points last cruise. Others have their Genies, I now have a Senior Club Royale Representative, handling my cruising. Each time we talk, I bring up smoking. First is to tackle smoking at the Casino Bar and NOT Playing. After that, we will go for more. I have their attention now.