mugtech Posted June 11, 2017 #51 Share Posted June 11, 2017 It's a variant of the English language called Marketing language. Every industry does it. That's why it's so important that people take a few minutes to read the fine print. Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BirdTravels Posted June 11, 2017 #52 Share Posted June 11, 2017 Sorry, but what part of free don't you understand? Free means without cost. If you add on gratuities it is no longer free! It is sad the way we slaughter the English language. Must be some kind of statement about the education system of our country. You would fail in any job requiring you to sell anything. Has nothing to do with your definition of the "English Language". It has to do with the context the words are being used in. Without context, the words are meaningless (having no meaning, lacking any significance). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare mskaufman Posted June 11, 2017 #53 Share Posted June 11, 2017 When I recently booked my cruise my TA gave me two prices - one with the free at sea promotion and one without. There was a $200 pp difference in fare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moby0215 Posted June 11, 2017 #54 Share Posted June 11, 2017 Sorry, but what part of free don't you understand? Free means without cost. If you add on gratuities it is no longer free! It is sad the way we slaughter the English language. Must be some kind of statement about the education system of our country. If you had a coupon for a free meal at a restaurant the meal is free, the tip is not free. Same thing here. Not sure why that is so hard for people to understand? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swedish weave Posted June 11, 2017 #55 Share Posted June 11, 2017 If you had a coupon for a free meal at a restaurant the meal is free, the tip is not free. Same thing here. Not sure why that is so hard for people to understand? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk The fallacy in that logic is the restaurant doesn't force you to tip. The cruise line not only forces you to tip but determines the amount if you choose the "free"package. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLH Arizona Posted June 11, 2017 #56 Share Posted June 11, 2017 The fallacy in that logic is the restaurant doesn't force you to tip. The cruise line not only forces you to tip but determines the amount if you choose the "free"package. It is really easy, then don't choose the "free" perk if you don't want to pay the 18% gratuity, as no one is forcing you to choose it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatka Posted June 11, 2017 #57 Share Posted June 11, 2017 Some lines have packages that are all inclusive (gratuity is included) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLH Arizona Posted June 11, 2017 #58 Share Posted June 11, 2017 Some lines have packages that are all inclusive (gratuity is included)Thanks, guess, if they don't want to pay the gratuities, another choice would be to sail on those lines. I'm doing this from memory, so if I'm incorrect, someone please let me know. Celebrity's 3 night package is $109, which includes gratuities. On NCL a 3 night package is $69, plus gratuities of $12.42, which totals $81.42 (and you can save $10 on it by purchasing in advance). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phissy Posted June 11, 2017 #59 Share Posted June 11, 2017 Some lines have packages that are all inclusive (gratuity is included) This was the case for NCL, which is why so many became loyal. NO LONGER...They will continue to charge additional fees for anything they can. It seems every few months they "quietly" add additional fees or raise existing charges. This will be our last NCL Cruise.... It is getting just egregious ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swedish weave Posted June 11, 2017 #60 Share Posted June 11, 2017 It is really easy, then don't choose the "free" perk if you don't want to pay the 18% gratuity, as no one is forcing you to choose it. Nobody forces you to accept the free meal that was used as an example either. What is your point ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mugtech Posted June 11, 2017 #61 Share Posted June 11, 2017 The fallacy in that logic is the restaurant doesn't force you to tip. The cruise line not only forces you to tip but determines the amount if you choose the "free"package. Then there are those who believe tipping is theft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NH Cruisers Posted June 11, 2017 #62 Share Posted June 11, 2017 Some lines have packages that are all inclusive (gratuity is included) Go on then... Sail on them, they are much more expensive though even to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lgdesign Posted June 11, 2017 #63 Share Posted June 11, 2017 My question.....Is this now going to be policy going forward or just part of the current promotion. The current promotion is set to expire June 30. I am thinking I will wait until July to book my Suite, hoping that the additional grats will gone. Color me optimistic. :rolleyes: Saw this on another thread that I've been actively participating in that's discussing basically the same thing: "My NCL PCC told me this was a permanent change on a go forward basis and would not end when the promo ends. Anyone who has already booked a suite or the Haven is grandfathered in though." Haven Free at Sea Promotion Extra Charges http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=2507607 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick61 Posted June 11, 2017 #64 Share Posted June 11, 2017 Much of the logic used to support the value of the package is based on NCL's inflated prices of drinks. The true value of the package should be determined by each individuals idea of how much a drink is worth to them. Faulty logic. No, the price of the drink may not be worth it to me - but it is the only option. So the logic is - would you buy a drink without the package or just drink water or ice tea all the time. If you would buy a couple drinks a day anyway, the package is worth it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick61 Posted June 11, 2017 #65 Share Posted June 11, 2017 That is the way it should be done. &156 and $867 aee borh insane. Shame on them for charging for the free package. Outrageous Not on a 14 day cruise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatka Posted June 11, 2017 #66 Share Posted June 11, 2017 Go on then... Sail on them, they are much more expensive though even to begin with. Thank you for advice ;). If you check my signature, you will see that we are sailing with all of them. :) And no, they are not necessarily much more expensive. I am not talking about luxury lines, but about alcohol packages on massmarket lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txagfan Posted June 11, 2017 #67 Share Posted June 11, 2017 I love these threads. I wish after years of this promo and charging the service charge there would be more. They are the BEST! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swedish weave Posted June 11, 2017 #68 Share Posted June 11, 2017 Faulty logic. No, the price of the drink may not be worth it to me - but it is the only option. So the logic is - would you buy a drink without the package or just drink water or ice tea all the time. If you would buy a couple drinks a day anyway, the package is worth it I won't buy drinks if I think they are price too high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLH Arizona Posted June 11, 2017 #69 Share Posted June 11, 2017 Then there are those who believe tipping is theft.And they probably feel the same way about the DSC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moby0215 Posted June 12, 2017 #70 Share Posted June 12, 2017 The fallacy in that logic is the restaurant doesn't force you to tip. The cruise line not only forces you to tip but determines the amount if you choose the "free"package. That's not 100% accurate. There are plenty restaurants that tack on an automatic tip, especially where coupons are involved. A perfect example is with Groupon. They specifically state that an 18% tip will be automatically added to the value of the coupon. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doughboy139 Posted June 12, 2017 #71 Share Posted June 12, 2017 http://www.cruisecritic.com/news/news.cfm?ID=7883 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosrox Posted June 12, 2017 #72 Share Posted June 12, 2017 We just booked a group cruise, tips and service charges included so no extra fees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raea416 Posted June 12, 2017 #73 Share Posted June 12, 2017 You can request in writing the 18% back post cruise...but really the servers deserve it. Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moby0215 Posted June 12, 2017 #74 Share Posted June 12, 2017 You can request in writing the 18% back post cruise...but really the servers deserve it. Sent from my iPhone using Forums Since when? Can you show us where this policy is documented? Or are you mistakenly talking about the DSC? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatka Posted June 12, 2017 #75 Share Posted June 12, 2017 I agree, it is more about removing dsc due to bad service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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