never_cruised Posted August 21, 2018 #151 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Prices are rising because of more people crusing. Simple supply and demand. Demand goes up prices follow. Also called fluid pricing. Sent from my SM-G965F using Forums mobile app Agreed however with this they’ll rise even further ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisg1uk Posted August 21, 2018 #152 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Can't believe some think prices won't increase due to this. If so many people removed gratuities whilst on the cruise a change was inevitable. And if they do, there is plenty of choice out there and customers will vote with their feet if prices are not perceived as providing value. P&O are in business like any other to make money. At least it's simpler now. Goo.d change in my view Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweep2907 Posted August 21, 2018 #153 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Think we can move on from this thread now we have well and truly exhausted it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalos Posted August 21, 2018 #154 Share Posted August 21, 2018 I wonder if they will plug it on that tv show tonight. The one that is on at 8.00 p.m. on channel 22 Or that other show from Liverpool . I used to love it when big " J " would say.... " book P&O with me now and I will give you £200 OBC" Best thing was go on P&O site and they were giving you the very same £200 . Would have been good if he was offering an extra £200. :) Same as most people on this thread I think it's a good move by P&O, should make cruising a more carefree experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P-L-B Posted August 21, 2018 #155 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Or that other show from Liverpool . I used to love it when big " J " would say.... " book P&O with me now and I will give you £200 OBC" Best thing was go on P&O site and they were giving you the very same £200 . Would have been good if he was offering an extra £200. :) Same as most people on this thread I think it's a good move by P&O, should make cruising a more carefree experience. Agreed, my thoughts to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daiB Posted August 21, 2018 #156 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Agreed however with this they’ll rise even further ;) My thoughts entirely Sent from my iPad using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daiB Posted August 21, 2018 #157 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Think we can move on from this thread now we have well and truly exhausted it. Good luck with that. :). :). :). Sent from my iPad using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapau27 Posted August 21, 2018 #158 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Good luck with that. :). :). :). Sent from my iPad using Forums Great thread but I agree everything has been said in a pleasant way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majortom10 Posted August 21, 2018 #159 Share Posted August 21, 2018 OK but when did you book this. We all know prices on release are the keenest. Not always I phoned Cunard earlier this week asking to upgrade my cabin on a cruise already booked. Knowing the rules that you pay the price when you booked they quoted me a price of over £3500pp for a P2 when currently it was advertised at £2699. So it would be cheaper for me to cancel my cruise lose deposit rebook at £2699 and still save a large amount on £3500. Not surprisingly the P2 at £2699 for 14nt Roundtrip TA soon sold out. P&O are no different there is no guarantee that every cruise booked on release date will never be cheaper in the future nobody ever knows or can guarantee that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majortom10 Posted August 21, 2018 #160 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Fact is,P&O we're exposed by me regarding this service charge. If Guests will not have to pay increased fares who will suffer definitely not the company but the crew. 2 years back crew used to get new uniforms every contract now they have to reuse. Crew will still expect a tip P&O can make up for this in a number of ways without anyone even noticing All the restaurants are going to be freedom dining very soon Onlytime will tell but with so many crew member leaving P&O...they will have to come with a better pay structure You are having a laugh many people have complained about auto gratuities either on forums, Facebook, direct e-mail or end of cruise questionnaires since auto gratuities were first introduced on Ventura in 2008. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daiB Posted August 21, 2018 #161 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Not always I phoned Cunard earlier this week asking to upgrade my cabin on a cruise already booked. Knowing the rules that you pay the price when you booked they quoted me a price of over £3500pp for a P2 when currently it was advertised at £2699. So it would be cheaper for me to cancel my cruise lose deposit rebook at £2699 and still save a large amount on £3500. Not surprisingly the P2 at £2699 for 14nt Roundtrip TA soon sold out. P&O are no different there is no guarantee that every cruise booked on release date will never be cheaper in the future nobody ever knows or can guarantee that. That is quite correct no guarantees at all. However in our last 20+ or more cruises the price we have paid has not been bettered later. Perhaps we have been lucky but I somehow doubt that. Sent from my iPad using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daiB Posted August 21, 2018 #162 Share Posted August 21, 2018 You are having a laugh many people have complained about auto gratuities either on forums, Facebook, direct e-mail or end of cruise questionnaires since auto gratuities were first introduced on Ventura in 2008. A late comer to the ball, perhaps. Sent from my iPad using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONT-CA Posted August 21, 2018 #163 Share Posted August 21, 2018 This is creating a bit of a quandary in that we have always allowed our ship board credits to pay the service charge. That removed, how now to spend the money, for you can't cash in any unused portion. Drink it I suppose. Ah, there's the rub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daiB Posted August 21, 2018 #164 Share Posted August 21, 2018 This is creating a bit of a quandary in that we have always allowed our ship board credits to pay the service charge. That removed, how now to spend the money, for you can't cash in any unused portion. Drink it I suppose. Ah, there's the rub. Pass it on to me I never have any problem spending it. Sent from my iPad using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapau27 Posted August 21, 2018 #165 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Pass it on to me I never have any problem spending it. Sent from my iPad using Forums A speciality restaurant would be my first port of call to spend spare obc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daiB Posted August 21, 2018 #166 Share Posted August 21, 2018 A speciality restaurant would be my first port of call to spend spare obc.Don't you have to pass a bar before you get there. :) Sent from my SM-G965F using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapau27 Posted August 21, 2018 #167 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Don't you have to pass a bar before you get there. :) Sent from my SM-G965F using Forums mobile app That's true,a bottle of Old Speckled Hen and a glass of Prosecco[emoji106] [emoji482] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarenandPaul Posted August 21, 2018 #168 Share Posted August 21, 2018 I think all P&O will do is greatly reduce the OBC they offer. Price will increase a little maybe , service changes. No sweets. Talk of doing away turn down and chocolates at night. few pence on drinks , The main way they will incoperate the change and make up some of the difference will be a big reduction of OBC I think a good proportion of people who left auto tips on just paid out of that. “Giveth in one hand take out from over” . That’s how we always felt and had no problem with it been that way. We tipped extra on top for excellence service. Mainly to wine waiter or MDR staff. I think if we had to find £12/14 a day and money was took from credit card. It would of somehow felt too much. But it felt it wasn’t our money tipping but P&O OBC. So tips in a round about were included ! . No logic in that way of thinking but worked for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Selbourne Posted August 22, 2018 #169 Share Posted August 22, 2018 I think all P&O will do is greatly reduce the OBC they offer. Price will increase a little maybe , service changes. No sweets. Talk of doing away turn down and chocolates at night. few pence on drinks , The main way they will incoperate the change and make up some of the difference will be a big reduction of OBC I think a good proportion of people who left auto tips on just paid out of that. “Giveth in one hand take out from over” . That’s how we always felt and had no problem with it been that way. We tipped extra on top for excellence service. Mainly to wine waiter or MDR staff. I think if we had to find £12/14 a day and money was took from credit card. It would of somehow felt too much. But it felt it wasn’t our money tipping but P&O OBC. So tips in a round about were included ! . No logic in that way of thinking but worked for us. As you say, no real logic in that way of thinking! I have never understood how people can consider OBC to be P&O’s money and not theirs. P&O often use OBC to balance the price I.e. basic cruise price goes up, OBC goes up, basic Cruise price goes down, OBC goes down. That’s why price tracker websites are so flawed as they only consider one part of the deal - the base price. We always consider the price paid to be the net cost of the cruise less OBC. Of course, the ‘net’ price doesn’t remain constant. Like many others on here we have secured the best net prices by booking at launch and they have never been bettered (I’m talking Select prices of course as that’s all we book). One of our cruises is now double the price we paid at launch! On the basis that so many passengers were opting out of auto service charges, I reckon P&O only needs to recoup an average of around £3 per passenger a day to replace the revenue it will ‘lose’ following this change. With ‘fluid pricing’ of this magnitude, it would be impossible to spot how P&O recoups this money. Returning to OBC, we have never had an issue spending ours on Select Dining, drinks, etc etc etc even when we have had £1000 of it for a 2 week Cruise! When it’s used up, you are spending your own money, so the longer you keep hold of it the better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jules. Posted August 22, 2018 #170 Share Posted August 22, 2018 Come to think of it there were no sweets in our cabin last week on Britannia. We did have chocolates and a “flower” though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FangedRose Posted August 22, 2018 #171 Share Posted August 22, 2018 Come to think of it there were no sweets in our cabin last week on Britannia. We did have chocolates and a “flower” though! No sweets in April. But a different type of flower which did last 12 days! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davecttr Posted August 22, 2018 #172 Share Posted August 22, 2018 How about an edible flower? They could then do away with the free biccies. I assume a single edible flower is cheaper than loads of biccies that many take home with them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FangedRose Posted August 22, 2018 #173 Share Posted August 22, 2018 How about an edible flower? They could then do away with the free biccies. I assume a single edible flower is cheaper than loads of biccies that many take home with them You been stalking me? :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brayman Posted August 22, 2018 #174 Share Posted August 22, 2018 How about an edible flower? They could then do away with the free biccies. I assume a single edible flower is cheaper than loads of biccies that many take home with them what's wrong with people taking them home, they will be consumed by kids if no one else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deleted Posted August 22, 2018 #175 Share Posted August 22, 2018 Hip, hip, hooray! at long last P and O has listened to it's customers. Now let's hope they pay their staff a decent wage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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