P&O Cruisers - What are things like where YOU are?

[wowzz]

4 minutes ago, Harry Peterson said:

These bubbles are going to be interesting.  Choices to be made.  Some people will inevitably get upset as a result.

My sister and I made a rational decision. She lives about 90 minutes from my mother, I live 3 hours away. Much more sensible for my sister to be in the bubble and visit often, rather than me doing an occasional 6 hour round trip.

[Vampiress88]

I still think it’s all wrong and I’m not sure I understand any of it. 
 

so my kid can go into a classroom of 15 but have to stay apart as much as they can and be indoors when raining. Not always possible with them so young. But that teacher can’t be indoors with members of her own family and see her grandkids for example. 
 

Also a single mother with two kids can go to the house of a couple or a family. But two people or even a family of 4 can’t be inside with a couple (parents for etc) 

 

but we can all go to the supermarket/zoo/garden centre etc and stand in lines and Be 2 metres away. 
 

did you know that cancer patients on the waiting list have doubled in 12 weeks. 
I still think there is so many more Deaths that going to happen thats not the virus but is in direct consequence to what’s going on. 
 

I wish you could see your mum wowzz. Is she shielding? Can you not all go to the garden centre and at least see her from 2 metres away. 
 

as I’ve mentioned before my gran is 88 and she’s now at the point where she doesn’t want to stick to the rules at all. She just wants to live rather than exist

[wowzz]

2 minutes ago, Purdey16 said:

Because wowzz I am their carer they are in their late 80s and mother in-law has dementia, so I basically do everything for them , washing ,ironing , housework, planning meals, food shopping, all medications and all transportation to doctors and hospitals appointments which before lockdown was roughly 3 a week so I’ve had a rest there, so we are the only people that they see and we promised we would never put them in a home !! , also the government said if you are a carer then you still can carry out your duties, much better then stranger carers going in everyday that have seen other patients through out the day , I know you weren’t being critical of me , we all have different situations , but during lockdown she had another minor stroke which put her health backwards to the point that I had to take her to the bathroom etc , we have good days and bad days 

Fully understand - you have had a gruelling time, and I admire all you have done. It cant have been easy. 

[Josy1953]

I am extremely annoyed this morning with a large cruise specialist TA.  I received an email from them this morning, they are obviously trying to get cash into the business.  We had already decided to cancel because we think that the cruise may be cancelled by P&O but were leaving our cancellation until the balance due date which was actually 4th July but even if we were still considering going on the cruise I would now cancel rather than pay any more to this company. Below is an extract from their email :

 

Final payment for your holiday departing 31/10/2020 is now -21 days overdue. Please could you pay the outstanding balance without delay.

A £10 pp late payment fee will be applied to your booking if we have not received a payment before 16/07/2020.

Edited June 13, 2020 by Josy1953

[Purdey16]

11 minutes ago, wowzz said:

Yes, but as my sister lives much closer to my Mum than I do, she will be in the bubble, not me. I have to wait until the guidelines are relaxed a bit more.

Can you not meet your mum in a outside space if you don’t live too far away ? Even at her garden gate to talk too at distance , 

[Harry Peterson]

3 minutes ago, wowzz said:

My sister and I made a rational decision. She lives about 90 minutes from my mother, I live 3 hours away. Much more sensible for my sister to be in the bubble and visit often, rather than me doing an occasional 6 hour round trip.

Sorry, wowzz - I didn’t think for a minute it applied to you.
 

I was thinking more of the situation with single young people, who have to choose, perhaps, between bubbling (lovely word!) with parents or a girlfriend/boyfriend.

[wowzz]

2 minutes ago, Purdey16 said:

Can you not meet your mum in a outside space if you don’t live too far away ? Even at her garden gate to talk too at distance , 

It's a 6 hour round trip, and if it rains when I get there I'm not meant to go in the house ! My sister is visiting her tomorrow,  so I am relatively relaxed about the situation.

I could drive down and break the rules, but I'm generally a law abiding sort of chap, and as long as my mother stays well (she's a healthy 93 year old) I will follow the guidelines.

[wowzz]

2 minutes ago, Harry Peterson said:

Sorry, wowzz - I didn’t think for a minute it applied to you.
 

I was thinking more of the situation with single young people, who have to choose, perhaps, between bubbling (lovely word!) with parents or a girlfriend/boyfriend.

No need to apologise.  I'm sure lots of families will have to make difficult decisions. As Vamps said earlier, there are so many anomalies out there at the moment, the whole government policy is in danger of imploding.

[terrierjohn]

7 minutes ago, Josy1953 said:

I am extremely annoyed this morning with a large cruise specialist TA.  I received an email from them this morning, they are obviously trying to get cash into the business.  We had already decided to cancel because we think that the cruise may be cancelled by P&O but were leaving our cancellation until the balance due date which was actually 4th July but even if we were still considering going on the cruise I would now cancel rather than pay any more to this company. Below is an extract from their email :

 

Final payment for your holiday departing 31/10/2020 is now -21 days overdue. Please could you pay the outstanding balance without delay.

A £10 pp late payment fee will be applied to your booking if we have not received a payment before 16/07/2020.

Even their final payment date is outside P&Os 90 day final balance payment, and they are already chasing you with over 4 months still to go, our TA only ever wants payment 7 days early and even that is negotiable.

[Purdey16]

Vampiress88  I also understand how your gran who’s 88 doesn’t want to stick to the rules anymore, they just can’t understand why they have got to stay in anymore and keep saying , well it wasn’t like this in the war  !!  Then I remind them how many thousands of people have died through this disease 

[Josy1953]

4 minutes ago, Vampiress88 said:

I still think it’s all wrong and I’m not sure I understand any of it. 
 

so my kid can go into a classroom of 15 but have to stay apart as much as they can and be indoors when raining. Not always possible with them so young. But that teacher can’t be indoors with members of her own family and see her grandkids for example. 
 

Also a single mother with two kids can go to the house of a couple or a family. But two people or even a family of 4 can’t be inside with a couple (parents for etc) 

 

but we can all go to the supermarket/zoo/garden centre etc and stand in lines and Be 2 metres away. 
 

did you know that cancer patients on the waiting list have doubled in 12 weeks. 
I still think there is so many more Deaths that going to happen thats not the virus but is in direct consequence to what’s going on. 
 

I wish you could see your mum wowzz. Is she shielding? Can you not all go to the garden centre and at least see her from 2 metres away. 
 

as I’ve mentioned before my gran is 88 and she’s now at the point where she doesn’t want to stick to the rules at all. She just wants to live rather than exist

The rules are bordering on ridiculous but we most of us are sticking to them but the minority who are breaking the rules are endangering those of us who are rule followers. I sympathize completely with your gran wanting to live her life.  I am trying to stay positive but seeing no one from our family except via zoom, facetime etc is getting to me and it must be far worse for people who live alone at least I have my husband to talk to.  I have so many family members working in the healthcare system who are putting themselves at risk daily because of rule breakers there is no way that I would bend the rules.  I can't even be in a bubble because non of my family are single people or one parent families.  

[terrierjohn]

4 minutes ago, wowzz said:

It's a 6 hour round trip, and if it rains when I get there I'm not meant to go in the house ! My sister is visiting her tomorrow,  so I am relatively relaxed about the situation.

I could drive down and break the rules, but I'm generally a law abiding sort of chap, and as long as my mother stays well (she's a healthy 93 year old) I will follow the guidelines.

Wowzz, the rules do now allow you to go through someones house to get to their garden, and you can use use the toilet, as long as you wipe all the surfaces you have touched, I personally would be prepared to bend the rules a little if it rained. 

[wowzz]

1 minute ago, terrierjohn said:

Wowzz, the rules do now allow you to go through someones house to get to their garden, and you can use use the toilet, as long as you wipe all the surfaces you have touched, I personally would be prepared to bend the rules a little if it rained. 

John - I never had you down as a rebel!

Yes, I'm sure I would have bent the rules a little as well !

Its just a bloody long way to drive to sit in the garden for a few hours!

[Vampiress88]

10 minutes ago, Purdey16 said:

Vampiress88  I also understand how your gran who’s 88 doesn’t want to stick to the rules anymore, they just can’t understand why they have got to stay in anymore and keep saying , well it wasn’t like this in the war  !!  Then I remind them how many thousands of people have died through this disease 

she’s not bothered about the virus anymore. 
my grandpa died two years ago after they were together 65 year. The only way she has managed on her own, in a farm house that’s a few miles from another village so not even walking distance to shops is her friends and family. She had something to do every week and now has nothing. 
 

if she does die now which at 88 she definitely has a chance of without the virus she won’t have seen anyone for weeks. 
I think that’s awful

[terrierjohn]

Just now, wowzz said:

John - I never had you down as a rebel!

Yes, I'm sure I would have bent the rules a little as well !

Its just a bloody long way to drive to sit in the garden for a few hours!

You just assumed I was a tow the line Tory then?😇

More seriously though, most of us know how this disease spreads, and so we try to ensure we don't come into close contact with strangers, or spend too long on the supermarket shop, and avoid crowded places or attend mass demonstrations, which is why most of us have not had covid19.

However since total infections are still increasing, even if the daily numbers are declining, then clearly many are not, unless all new infections are in the NHS or care homes.

[Vampiress88]

9 minutes ago, terrierjohn said:

You just assumed I was a tow the line Tory then?😇

More seriously though, most of us know how this disease spreads, and so we try to ensure we don't come into close contact with strangers, or spend too long on the supermarket shop, and avoid crowded places or attend mass demonstrations, which is why most of us have not had covid19.

However since total infections are still increasing, even if the daily numbers are declining, then clearly many are not, unless all new infections are in the NHS or care homes.

 

but a lot of these spreading it may not even know they have had it. I don’t think everyone gets symptoms. 
 

and as for mass gatherings that we keep seeing them then the virus must be having a day off for that rally as I bet these were the ones clapping every Thursday too

[terrierjohn]

Just now, Vampiress88 said:

 

but a lot of these spreading it may not even know they have had it. I don’t think everyone gets symptoms. 
 

and as for mass gatherings that we keep seeing them then the virus must be having a day off for that rally as I bet these were the ones clapping every Thursday too

I understand the asymptomatic issue, but without symptoms they won't be coughing and spluttering infected droplets everywhere, which probably results in a much more limited spread from these people.

[SarahHben]

It's a beautiful day here in sunny Medway and I'm seeing my grandbaby today, 2 days in a row so I'm a happy Nanny 🥰 

We are sticking to the 2 metre rule but yesterday we met my daughter, son in law and baby at a National Trust park and went for a walk in the rain. Because the pram had its plastic raincover on I was able to get a little closer and coo at him through the plastic, it made my week!

Today they're coming to enjoy the garden, they don't have any outside space of their own, and my sister and neice are coming over too as they haven't met baby yet. They're all bringing their own picnics, I just need to make 3 seperate seating areas in the garden. 

It does seem a bit daft that if my daughter was a single parent she could come into the house, sit with us and eat with us, we could hug her, hold the baby etc but as she has a partner that can't/won't happen.

 

[Vampiress88]

3 minutes ago, terrierjohn said:

I understand the asymptomatic issue, but without symptoms they won't be coughing and spluttering infected droplets everywhere, which probably results in a much more limited spread from these people.

but surely these people could still be putting the droplets out by talking/shouting/sneezing etc. 
 

ive had people closer to me in a supermarket than own family. 
 

im just getting fed up. 
we have mass riots which seems to be seen as ok but not to see family. 
 

[Josy1953]

13 minutes ago, Vampiress88 said:

but surely these people could still be putting the droplets out by talking/shouting/sneezing etc. 
 

ive had people closer to me in a supermarket than own family. 
 

im just getting fed up. 
we have mass riots which seems to be seen as ok but not to see family. 
 

The mass riots need to be stopped and anyone taking part should be recorded or marked in some way so that if they get covid they are somehow isolated but not allowed access to the NHS treatment s because they obviously are not concerned about it.  I think that because of these idiots the cases / deaths will increase and force a second lockdown.

[Vampiress88]

7 minutes ago, Josy1953 said:

The mass riots need to be stopped and anyone taking part should be recorded or marked in some way so that if they get covid they are somehow isolated but not allowed access to the NHS treatment s because they obviously are not concerned about it.  I think that because of these idiots the cases / deaths will increase and force a second lockdown.

it’s definitely picked it’s moment. 
 

I understand the reason for protests that seem to be turning into riots but it’s not helpful 

 

and unfortunately there are going to be people from all walks of life there, including the shop workers,nhs and teachers. 
 

I really don’t think covid will go anywhere and we are all just going to have to live with it like the flu and other illnesses that you can get. 

[indiana123]

Where I live there are a lot of holiday parks.   I have heard  on good authority (unproven  by me but no reason to dispute it) that some of the caravan parks in the back of beyond are unofficially open and have been for most of the time.  A friend said that her daughter had spent the weekend down from London in her caravan, told others, and more came.

 

If that is the case then most of the seniors I know are in lockdown and others  from outside are having weekend jollies.

[terrierjohn]

5 minutes ago, indiana123 said:

Where I live there are a lot of holiday parks.   I have heard  on good authority (unproven  by me but no reason to dispute it) that some of the caravan parks in the back of beyond are unofficially open and have been for most of the time.  A friend said that her daughter had spent the weekend down from London in her caravan, told others, and more came.

 

If that is the case then most of the seniors I know are in lockdown and others  from outside are having weekend jollies.

TBH as long as the holiday home is kept for their exclusive use and they continue to self isolate I don't think this is a major problem as far as virus transmission is concerned, filling up with petrol is about the only potential problem.

[mercury7289]

9 minutes ago, indiana123 said:

Where I live there are a lot of holiday parks.   I have heard  on good authority (unproven  by me but no reason to dispute it) that some of the caravan parks in the back of beyond are unofficially open and have been for most of the time.  A friend said that her daughter had spent the weekend down from London in her caravan, told others, and more came.

 

If that is the case then most of the seniors I know are in lockdown and others  from outside are having weekend jollies.

Sorry,

Do not believe any park owner allowed this 

The holiday parks had been closed by the owners, however last week because of the policy changes, some parks allowed a visit to be made to check the unit, but people needed to be of site by 5pm, no overnight stays.and social distancing rules to apply.

Edited June 13, 2020 by mercury7289
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[Vampiress88]

For young people it’s lower risk so we should be getting back to normal and getting the economy going. 
 

People who are older or with certain conditions should be helped financially and socially (food delivered etc) to shield if they choose to. 
But people can then make their own decisions. If my health condition was a different one and I was at great risk I would shield but I’m not. 
We don’t have statistic information on every virus we may catch other than this one and most of us before would have chose to go outside. 
 

I think someone else equated it to children for example are more likely to be hit by lightening 3 times than die of this virus. Can’t remember what it was for adults but it obviously got higher the older you got but then so does most other viruses as the immune systems is weak. 
 

we should have looked after the elderly and care homes etc and just got on with everything else.