npcl Posted May 9, 2020 #51 Share Posted May 9, 2020 10 hours ago, chengkp75 said: What's even more astounding is that the "gangway up" order does not apply to Civmars on MSC ships outside the US. MSC, which has always had a hard time recruiting mariners, is afraid that with the ships being in a US port, by union contract the crew can give 24 hours notice and walk off the ship for good, and then MSC would be left short-handed. Could they hold someone on the ship if they did resign? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted May 9, 2020 #52 Share Posted May 9, 2020 2 hours ago, npcl said: Could they hold someone on the ship if they did resign? Not legally, but they sure try to, and threaten loss of future employment. They can also deny transportation home for quitting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
npcl Posted May 9, 2020 #53 Share Posted May 9, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, chengkp75 said: Not legally, but they sure try to, and threaten loss of future employment. They can also deny transportation home for quitting. Any members of Congress that might be supportive to the issue? Does MSCPAC and MSCLANT have the same restrictions? From what you said earlier it seems as if MSCEURAF, MSCCENT, and MSCFE do not? Edited May 9, 2020 by npcl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted May 10, 2020 #54 Share Posted May 10, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, npcl said: Any members of Congress that might be supportive to the issue? Does MSCPAC and MSCLANT have the same restrictions? From what you said earlier it seems as if MSCEURAF, MSCCENT, and MSCFE do not? With the suit filed by the unions, I'm sure they have reached out to maritime friendly members of Congress. From what I have seen, the "gangway up" order only applies to those MSC ships in the US. MSC doesn't worry about ships overseas, because the mariners are on "foreign articles" (the employment agreement between the mariner and the Captain), and quitting foreign articles in a foreign port can lead to actions by the USCG to revoke the mariner's documents. Edited May 10, 2020 by chengkp75 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EscapeFromConnecticut Posted May 10, 2020 #55 Share Posted May 10, 2020 On 5/3/2020 at 2:35 PM, Tampa Girl said: You have been unhappy with your cruises? We can all be unhappy with the cruise industry's greed, mismanagement and short-sightedness. 😄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzcruz57 Posted May 14, 2020 #56 Share Posted May 14, 2020 Where’s Melinda Mann and the other US citizens? I noticed the Koningsdam is the closest to the Oosterdam it’s been in quite a while. Maybe they’re finally being transferred to the K like she said and maybe soon they’ll be on their way home to the USA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuthC Posted May 14, 2020 #57 Share Posted May 14, 2020 4 hours ago, Suzcruz57 said: Where’s Melinda Mann and the other US citizens? I thought I read yesterday that she was disembarked. I don't recall which ship, or even where, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare rafinmd Posted May 14, 2020 #58 Share Posted May 14, 2020 5 hours ago, Suzcruz57 said: Where’s Melinda Mann and the other US citizens? I noticed the Koningsdam is the closest to the Oosterdam it’s been in quite a while. Maybe they’re finally being transferred to the K like she said and maybe soon they’ll be on their way home to the USA! On 5/8/2020 at 7:29 PM, Copper10-8 said: Koningsdam was in L.A. (San Pedro) today (leaving as we speak) and yes, all U.S, crew, about 37 of them from various ships, plus 19 Canucks, were able to disembark and are (or will be shortly) on their way home from LAX I would guess she got of May 8. Roy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzcruz57 Posted May 14, 2020 #59 Share Posted May 14, 2020 53 minutes ago, RuthC said: I thought I read yesterday that she was disembarked. I don't recall which ship, or even where, though. Great to hear. These are tough times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Copper10-8 Posted May 14, 2020 #60 Share Posted May 14, 2020 6 hours ago, Suzcruz57 said: Where’s Melinda Mann and the other US citizens? I noticed the Koningsdam is the closest to the Oosterdam it’s been in quite a while. Maybe they’re finally being transferred to the K like she said and maybe soon they’ll be on their way home to the USA! Got off K-dam in L.A. (San Pedro) six days ago, along with other non-essential U.S. and Canadian crew. and went home 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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