Pro active planning covid19

[Paul Bogle]

2 minutes ago, npcl said:

If the FDA had regulated them as a nicotine delivery device they would have been, like other such devices, prescription for helping people to stop smoking, as the manufacturers claim, while instead they were being marketed with all kinds of flavors aimed at non-smokers.  Now we are getting the net generation hooked on nicotine.

 

Vaping is a replacement therapy for tobacco addiction. It is fair to point out vaping probably isn't risk free. To ignore the low risk of vaping in comparison to tobacco is disingenuous. At the height of the hysteria around vaping in 2018, out of 11 million vapers, 530 had resulted in hospitalization from vaping. That same year nearly 500,000 died from tobacco use. The subsequent proposals have all aimed at making vaping more difficult. For those addicted to nicotine, a relatively benign substance not much different than caffeine, this will benefit tobacco companies and taxing authorities but lead to more death.

 

To bring this back to cruising it would be as if the CDC demanded drink packages be banned as a condition of restarting cruises on the grounds that drink packages are inherently dangerous to passengers' health.

[npcl]

1 hour ago, Paul Bogle said:

 

Vaping is a replacement therapy for tobacco addiction. It is fair to point out vaping probably isn't risk free. To ignore the low risk of vaping in comparison to tobacco is disingenuous. At the height of the hysteria around vaping in 2018, out of 11 million vapers, 530 had resulted in hospitalization from vaping. That same year nearly 500,000 died from tobacco use. The subsequent proposals have all aimed at making vaping more difficult. For those addicted to nicotine, a relatively benign substance not much different than caffeine, this will benefit tobacco companies and taxing authorities but lead to more death.

 

To bring this back to cruising it would be as if the CDC demanded drink packages be banned as a condition of restarting cruises on the grounds that drink packages are inherently dangerous to passengers' health.

Then you would not have had any problem with the FDA regulating it as a nicotine delivery device, requiring a script to get the liquid and its use limited only to those trying to stop smoking? That way it accomplishes what you say is the intent, without the unintended consequences of addicting another generation to nicotine.

 

After all I did not say ban completing only that they are not risk free. In response to your comment that FDA regulation would not make it any safer.

 

 

Edited May 22, 2020 by npcl

[seaman11]

On 5/21/2020 at 10:49 AM, pinkie60 said:

My July cruise was cancelled so I re-booked for December 11, 2020. I’ll be 71 on July 5th and in fairly good health except for a bad knee for all the athletics I did as an adult and kid. I’ll be damn if I’d have my kids tell me if I can or can’t sail. 

wow 71 ? i thought you were much younger by your avatar pic.,  bless you . 

[pinkie60]

13 hours ago, seaman11 said:

wow 71 ? i thought you were much younger by your avatar pic.,  bless you . 

That was an old picture. I just changed it to last Christmas’ picture. 

[Paul Bogle]

16 hours ago, npcl said:

Then you would not have had any problem with the FDA regulating it as a nicotine delivery device, requiring a script to get the liquid and its use limited only to those trying to stop smoking? That way it accomplishes what you say is the intent, without the unintended consequences of addicting another generation to nicotine.

 

After all I did not say ban completing only that they are not risk free. In response to your comment that FDA regulation would not make it any safer.

 

 

 

Nicotine gum, lozenges and patches are available over the counter. They do not require a doctor or a prescription. Inhalers require a prescription to be used as part of a cessation program. Vaping can be used for smoking cessation but as far as I know the majority of people who vape do so as a substitute for smoking tobacco not as a way to quit nicotine. With a 95% reduction in risk from substituting vape for smoke this seems like a public good to be encouraged. To make obtaining vape products more onerous than tobacco products and to only allow this for cessation purposes will incentivize continued tobacco use and forgo the public health benefits of smokers switching to vaping.

 

I want to bring this back to cruising since this is a cruising forum and we should not deviate to far from its purpose. In my view it would be much more pleasant to not be grossed out by that stench coming from the enclosed smoking area by the pools on the Breakaway ships. It would also be nice to not have to endure the less dreadful stench that permeates the areas above, below and around the casino. If those addicted to tobacco  were vaping in these areas instead, no offensive odor would be encountered. Perhaps one day we will live in a tobacco free world. Switching tobacco use to vaping will bring us all much closer to that goal.

 

 

Edited May 23, 2020 by Paul Bogle

[fshagan]

On 5/22/2020 at 1:33 PM, npcl said:

I doubt that they are hiring him to help navigate the CDC bureaucracy, as much as to actully help them develop a plan that is scientifically sound.  Any plan that he endorses will certainly carry some weight.  The biggest issue is can the cruise line develop a plan that he would agree with, that they are willing to sail under.

 

That makes sense. Thanks.

 

On the vaping issue, I am on the opposite side of the fence, but that's off-topic, so we should not discuss that aspect here.