Rare Jamman54 Posted July 16, 2020 #126 Share Posted July 16, 2020 (edited) Don't see the Elation (or the Paradise), being scrapped yet. Had major refurbishment a couple of years ago adding the Grand Deck and balconies. They are also 8 years younger than the Fantasy. 😎 All the others could be fair game. Edited July 16, 2020 by Jamman54 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
embarkation75 Posted July 16, 2020 #127 Share Posted July 16, 2020 27 minutes ago, Tom-n-Cheryl said: Now the big question... will things be "clear" enough (to move forward) two months from now when our final payment for the Liberty comes due. hmmmm And that assumes the Liberty isn't repositioned to another port as we can't assume anything is locked in place at this stage...even with the ships that will remain in the fleet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Tom-n-Cheryl Posted July 16, 2020 #128 Share Posted July 16, 2020 1 minute ago, embarkation75 said: And that assumes the Liberty isn't repositioned to another port as we can't assume anything is locked in place at this stage...even with the ships that will remain in the fleet. Even the kitchen sink is up in the air! 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
embarkation75 Posted July 16, 2020 #129 Share Posted July 16, 2020 1 minute ago, Tom-n-Cheryl said: Even the kitchen sink is up in the air! 😉 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted July 16, 2020 #130 Share Posted July 16, 2020 Here is the latest I have seen with actual placements. If this was posted before, apologies in advance. https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/23243-donald-less-efficient-ships-to-rotate-out-of-fleet.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProgRockCruiser Posted July 16, 2020 #131 Share Posted July 16, 2020 10 minutes ago, jimbo5544 said: Here is the latest I have seen with actual placements. If this was posted before, apologies in advance. https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/23243-donald-less-efficient-ships-to-rotate-out-of-fleet.html I certainly hadn't seen that. I do like the analysis he gave, quoted at the end of the article: "But the reality is, when we look at it, and we don’t know when we’d be able to come back full slate; and these will be the last ships we will bring back anyway. Then you look at the timeframe it would take to do that, and then you look at the costs associated with maintaining those ships. Then you make the decision – take the cash, reduce the cash burn – which we need to do." Cold hard truth. Curiously, no Carnival Cruise Lines "brand" ships mentioned. So that Fantasy class sell-off being bandied about is above-and-beyond the ships mentioned in the article. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drsel Posted July 16, 2020 #132 Share Posted July 16, 2020 It's good to know that Costa neoromantica which was doing Cruises around Japan, has been sold to Celestyal Cruises, not scrapped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted July 16, 2020 #133 Share Posted July 16, 2020 30 minutes ago, ProgRockCruiser said: I certainly hadn't seen that. I do like the analysis he gave, quoted at the end of the article: "But the reality is, when we look at it, and we don’t know when we’d be able to come back full slate; and these will be the last ships we will bring back anyway. Then you look at the timeframe it would take to do that, and then you look at the costs associated with maintaining those ships. Then you make the decision – take the cash, reduce the cash burn – which we need to do." Cold hard truth. Curiously, no Carnival Cruise Lines "brand" ships mentioned. So that Fantasy class sell-off being bandied about is above-and-beyond the ships mentioned in the article. I thought it interesting as well in regards to no Carnival ships sold. What is not mentioned in this article is scraps, which he might have wanted to stay away from. I inquired with some friends who might know about the two ships that were off loading in Curacao and could not get any info. Both replies I got were things were very dynamic and they found out the same way we do. I am not sure we really understand what "leaner" really implies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob-Bob Posted July 16, 2020 #134 Share Posted July 16, 2020 All of this and CCL stock has doubled from their low in May. It has lost 50% since the spike in June. Still holding around $16 somehow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DGP1111 Posted July 16, 2020 #135 Share Posted July 16, 2020 3 hours ago, Tom-n-Cheryl said: . . . Other than lots of memories - the spacious owner's suites, the addition of Guy's Burgers, and the often broken atrium elevators (lol) - they are tired and past their glory days. Such is life. . . . And that's where I met the two of you. 😊 Never noticed any broken atrium elevators. (la la la la la la) Sending a message to your phone regarding the two ships you mentioned. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Tom-n-Cheryl Posted July 16, 2020 #136 Share Posted July 16, 2020 20 minutes ago, DGP1111 said: And that's where I met the two of you. 😊 Never noticed any broken atrium elevators. (la la la la la la) Sending a message to your phone regarding the two ships you mentioned. . "Those were the days my friend We thought they'd never end...." (except that whole singing and dancing stuff) 🙂 Tom 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted July 16, 2020 #137 Share Posted July 16, 2020 4 hours ago, Tom-n-Cheryl said: The Fantasy class ships hold a special place in our memories - with the Sensation being our first 7-day cruise. I wonder if they'll hold on to it too. Other than lots of memories - the spacious owner's suites, the addition of Guy's Burgers, and the often broken atrium elevators (lol) - they are tired and past their glory days. Such is life. Now the big question... will things be "clear" enough (to move forward) two months from now when our final payment for the Liberty comes due. hmmmm Captains suite? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted July 16, 2020 #138 Share Posted July 16, 2020 45 minutes ago, DGP1111 said: And that's where I met the two of you. 😊 Never noticed any broken atrium elevators. (la la la la la la) Sending a message to your phone regarding the two ships you mentioned. . Seeing those wonderful suites get scrapped will make me cringe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BlerkOne Posted July 16, 2020 #139 Share Posted July 16, 2020 In summary Recent Carnival Corporation Secondhand Transactions: Cruise Ship Brand New Operator Tonnage Capacity Built Price/Terms Delivery neoRomantica Costa Celestyal 53,048 1,578 1993 N/A TBD Maasdam Holland America Unknown 55,575 1,258 1993 N/A August 2020 Veendam Holland America Unknown 57.092 1,350 1996 N/A August 2020 Amsterdam Holland America Fred. Olsen 62,725 1,380 2000 N/A Fall 2020 Rotterdam Holland America Fred. Olsen 61,849 1,404 1997 N/A Fall 2020 Oceana P&O UK Unknown 77,499 2,016 2000 N/A July 2020 Victoria Costa Unknown 75,166 1,928 1996 N/A June 2020 Pacific Dawn P&O Australia CMV 70,285 2,020 1991 N/A March 2021 Pacific Aria P&O Australia CMV 55,819 1,258 1994 N/A May 2021 Atlantica Costa CSSC 85,619 2,114 2000 N/A Q4 2019 Mediterranea Costa CSSC 85,619 2,114 2003 N/A Q4 2020 Pacific Jewel P&O Australia Zen Cruises 70,250 1,590 1990 N/A March 2019 Prinsendam Holland America Phoenix Reisen 38,484 835 1988 N/A Summer 2019 Oriana P&O UK CTS 69,153 1,822 1995 N/A Summer 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Tom-n-Cheryl Posted July 16, 2020 #140 Share Posted July 16, 2020 32 minutes ago, jimbo5544 said: Captains suite? Back in "the day" (when you could not book them directly) they were cabin #'s S1 and S2 (since they were on Sports Deck), but were generally just referred to as the Owner's Suites. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted July 16, 2020 #141 Share Posted July 16, 2020 41 minutes ago, Tom-n-Cheryl said: Back in "the day" (when you could not book them directly) they were cabin #'s S1 and S2 (since they were on Sports Deck), but were generally just referred to as the Owner's Suites. Our BDM at Carnival used to call them Micky’s room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Tom-n-Cheryl Posted July 16, 2020 #142 Share Posted July 16, 2020 7 minutes ago, jimbo5544 said: Our BDM at Carnival used to call them Micky’s room. I'm glad that walls can't talk ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted July 16, 2020 #143 Share Posted July 16, 2020 12 minutes ago, Tom-n-Cheryl said: I'm glad that walls can't talk ! HA!....me as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chocolate melting cake Posted July 16, 2020 #144 Share Posted July 16, 2020 Four HAL ships are now sold. Carnival sells four ships, will nix some cruises Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff92k7 Posted July 16, 2020 #145 Share Posted July 16, 2020 8 hours ago, Jamman54 said: Don't see the Elation (or the Paradise), being scrapped yet. Had major refurbishment a couple of years ago adding the Grand Deck and balconies. They are also 8 years younger than the Fantasy. 😎 All the others could be fair game. I agree with this outlook. In addition, the Elation and the Paradise are the only two ships in the Fantasy class with Azipod propulsion instead of the older direct drive props. This makes them a lot more maneuverable and capable of operating in more ports and harbors than some of the older ships. Additionally, there are some home ports in the USA that cannot support a ship larger than the Fantasy or Spirit class ships due to things like bridge clearances (Jacksonville being only one example). Unless Carnival intends to abandon those ports completely, they will need to keep at least a small number of Fantasy and Spirit class ships around to serve those customers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted July 16, 2020 #146 Share Posted July 16, 2020 2 hours ago, jeff92k7 said: I agree with this outlook. In addition, the Elation and the Paradise are the only two ships in the Fantasy class with Azipod propulsion instead of the older direct drive props. This makes them a lot more maneuverable and capable of operating in more ports and harbors than some of the older ships. Additionally, there are some home ports in the USA that cannot support a ship larger than the Fantasy or Spirit class ships due to things like bridge clearances (Jacksonville being only one example). Unless Carnival intends to abandon those ports completely, they will need to keep at least a small number of Fantasy and Spirit class ships around to serve those customers. Depending on the breakout of whose barn the leaving ships come from, it is entirely possible that Carnival’s homeports will change significantly, at the minimum for the next two years. The startup when it occurs will be gradual, best guess is six and then nine. They will want to optimize revenue and profit. Where ever that leads them is where they will go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BlerkOne Posted July 17, 2020 #147 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Elation and Paradise have had new cruises released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
embarkation75 Posted July 17, 2020 #148 Share Posted July 17, 2020 13 minutes ago, BlerkOne said: Elation and Paradise have had new cruises released. ...and they could also be placeholders until Carnival figures out what ships are left and where they are sailing from. It could be good news for Elation surviving but I wouldn't bank on anything until the ships are back sailing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EscapeFromConnecticut Posted July 17, 2020 #149 Share Posted July 17, 2020 The smart money gave the forecast in March - yes, March - that the scrappers would be doing big, big business from the cruise lines. Self-proclaimed experts on CC dismissed the forecasts again and again. Only to slowly, slowly start coming around to reality in late July. 👻 Sad truth: if CLIA doesn't get its act together soon, there'll be plenty more grim news ahead for the cruise industry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BlerkOne Posted July 17, 2020 #150 Share Posted July 17, 2020 8 minutes ago, embarkation75 said: ...and they could also be placeholders until Carnival figures out what ships are left and where they are sailing from. It could be good news for Elation surviving but I wouldn't bank on anything until the ships are back sailing. No need to release cruises for 2023 at all, but they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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