New vaccine

[grapau27]

23 minutes ago, mercury7289 said:

Got our call today, local village surgery Oxford version 8th February. Both together.

Great news especially both together.

Pleased for you both.

Graham.

 

 

[SeaJane]

Today DH has been able to book his jab for 14th Feb at the local mass vaccination centre. He was also able to book his 2nd jab - he is just 70. 

[grapau27]

Just now, SeaJane said:

Today DH has been able to book his jab for 14th Feb at the local mass vaccination centre. He was also able to book his 2nd jab - he is just 70. 

Good news especially as he is only 70.

Graham

 

 

[grapau27]

27 minutes ago, tring said:

 

The whole North West region (Lancs, Greater Man, Liverpool City Region and Cheshire) are reported in the press and local TV as having the amount of vaccine received reduced by 30% (I think from the second week in February).  We are also in the NW, but our local area were only doing the over 80's group.  We have now had texts saying we can ring to book our appointments and are booked for next Tuesday as we rang as soon as the texts came in.  We know others who have had the same text, so looks like they are probably now moving to get the areas within the region that are behind up to the same level as the rest (we are only 70/71).  If that is what is being done it is fair enough as I know the Manchester region, for instance, has been reported as way ahead of the other local districts by us.

 

We are not within 45 minutes of any mass vaccination centre, though our GP surgery is using a hub a few miles away from their normal area as a hub, in conjunction with other local GP's.  I do not think there are any plans for GP's to perform the vaccines in each surgery, but that you will be able to go to your local hub rather than one of the mass vaccine centres which are even further away.  Hence may be worth ringing your surgery to ask the situation for your area if you are in the group now being called.

 

Hope you get yours sorted soon. 

Pleased to hear you are booked for your vaccine jabs.

Graham.

[tring]

47 minutes ago, grapau27 said:

Pleased to hear you are booked for your vaccine jabs.

Graham.

 

Curtails my moans about unfairness as well 🙂

 

I really hope all areas can get their vaccine invites for the top four groups sorted now, even if a little wait for the appointments.  Then people have a better idea where they are going forward and people in the later groups will know that things are still working the way towards them.  It is also a big step towards the country (and even the world) getting back to some normality which must help the moral in the whole country.  All this lack of co-ordination and lack of information about what is happening does cause a certain amount of disquiet IMO.  Oh dear I seem to be back to making complaints - will stop now, promise.

Edited January 29, 2021 by tring

[zap99]

2 minutes ago, tring said:

 

Curtails my moans about unfairness as well 🙂

 

I really hope all areas can get their vaccine invites for the top four groups sorted now, even if a little wait for the appointments.  Then people have a better idea where they are going forward and people in the later groups will know that things are still working the way towards them.  It is also a big step towards the country (and even the world) getting back to some normality which must help the moral in the whole country.  All this lack of co-ordination and lack of information about what is happening does cause a certain amount of disquiet IMO. 

Hopefully, as the NHS get towards the end of the target period, they can catch their breath, take stock and hit those area's that are a bit behind. It seems that it is all a bit tight at the moment, but all credit to those involved. They probably have nightmares about smelly arm pits.😷

[grapau27]

8 minutes ago, tring said:

 

Curtails my moans about unfairness as well 🙂

 

I really hope all areas can get their vaccine invites for the top four groups sorted now, even if a little wait for the appointments.  Then people have a better idea where they are going forward and people in the later groups will know that things are still working the way towards them.  It is also a big step towards the country (and even the world) getting back to some normality which must help the moral in the whole country.  All this lack of co-ordination and lack of information about what is happening does cause a certain amount of disquiet IMO.  Oh dear I seem to be back to making complaints - will stop now, promise.

I am in group 6 and Pauline is in group 8 but it is nice to hear most on here have had or getting close to getting their first vaccine jabs and a possible route back to cruising.

Graham.

[tring]

2 minutes ago, grapau27 said:

I am in group 6 and Pauline is in group 8 but it is nice to hear most on here have had or getting close to getting their first vaccine jabs and a possible route back to cruising.

Graham.

 

In view of your health issues in the last year or so, I was thinking you may come into group 4 as extremely vulnerable, but you should have a fair bit of immunity after your recent bout of the bug anyway.  I hope you both keep well,

 

Barbara

[Angel57]

7 minutes ago, grapau27 said:

I am in group 6 and Pauline is in group 8 but it is nice to hear most on here have had or getting close to getting their first vaccine jabs and a possible route back to cruising.

Graham.

I’m in between the both of you and am in group 7.
Am hearing about everyone getting their vaccine appointments - great to get good news.

Really hoping the current EU issues /arguments with the AZ vaccine are not going to cause delays, but I fear they will.....

[grapau27]

4 minutes ago, tring said:

 

In view of your health issues in the last year or so, I was thinking you may come into group 4 as extremely vulnerable, but you should have a fair bit of immunity after your recent bout of the bug anyway.  I hope you both keep well,

 

Barbara

Thanks Barbara.

I'm 64 and Pauline is 58.

Take care.

Graham.

[grapau27]

2 minutes ago, Angel57 said:

I’m in between the both of you and am in group 7.
Am hearing about everyone getting their vaccine appointments - great to get good news.

Really hoping the current EU issues /arguments with the AZ vaccine are not going to cause delays, but I fear they will.....

Hopefully the vaccines can be produced to cover us and the EU so our holidays and cruises can resume in the Mediterranean and Northern Europe.

Graham.

[Splice the mainbrace]

So from what I understand from todays news, the EU want AZ to export vaccine from UK to EU countries but individual EU countries may stop export of vaccines to the UK (or other non EU countries) if it is not in the EU countries interest!!

Could this put Pfizer 2nd doses at risk?

[grapau27]

2 minutes ago, Splice the mainbrace said:

So from what I understand from todays news, the EU want AZ to export vaccine from UK to EU countries but individual EU countries may stop export of vaccines to the UK (or other non EU countries) if it is not in the EU countries interest!!

Could this put Pfizer 2nd doses at risk?

Let's hope not.

[Harry Peterson]

16 minutes ago, Splice the mainbrace said:

So from what I understand from todays news, the EU want AZ to export vaccine from UK to EU countries but individual EU countries may stop export of vaccines to the UK (or other non EU countries) if it is not in the EU countries interest!!

Could this put Pfizer 2nd doses at risk?

Almost certainly, unfortunately, unless we do some sort of ‘swap’ deal with another vaccine.  But even the one dose will save the day for the NHS in the short term.

[tring]

26 minutes ago, Splice the mainbrace said:

So from what I understand from todays news, the EU want AZ to export vaccine from UK to EU countries but individual EU countries may stop export of vaccines to the UK (or other non EU countries) if it is not in the EU countries interest!!

Could this put Pfizer 2nd doses at risk?

 

Certainly sounding tricky, especially considering the increasing number of people who are already poised to wait 12 weeks for the second dose against the advice of Pfizer.  There has also been publication of the contract between EU and Astro Zeneca, which does not sound very good for the EU argument.  Hence I presume it is a case of giving out a threat on one vaccine to "encourage" the UK to let some of their supply of the other to be sent to the EU.

 

Must admit when it first arose DH who is very much into legal matters did say that a private company will have the contract well sewn up, whereas governments (from anywhere) do not have a good reputation on making such contracts good from their point of view.  There was a clip on TV yesterday though with someone saying that the UK had people with wide experience in the pharmaceutical world dealing with the UK orders (and presumably contracts).  If so that is a big advantage to the government, so they have done well.

Edited January 29, 2021 by tring

[grapau27]

3 minutes ago, tring said:

 

Certainly sounding tricky, especially considering the increasing number of people who are already poised to wait 12 weeks for the second dose against the advice of Pfizer.  There has also been publication of the contract between EU and Astro Zeneca, which does not sound very good for the EU argument.  Hence I presume it is a case of giving out a threat on one vaccine to "encourage" the UK to let some of their supply of the other to be sent to the EU.

 

Must admit when it first arose DH who is very much into legal matters did say that a private company will have the contract well sewn up, whereas governments (from anywhere) do not have a good reputation on making such contracts as good from their point of view.  There was a clip on TV yesterday though with someone saying that the UK had people with wide experience in the pharmaceutical world dealing with the UK orders (and presumably contracts).  If so that is a big advantage to the government, so they have done well.

Good to hear, thanks for posting.

[kalos]

12 minutes ago, Harry Peterson said:

Almost certainly, unfortunately, unless we do some sort of ‘swap’ deal with another vaccine.  But even the one dose will save the day for the NHS in the short term.

 

First things first , Europe namely France can sort out the silly paperwork at the ports if they expect doses of vaccine to cross the channel , it works both ways .

 

 

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Edited January 29, 2021 by kalos

[terrierjohn]

27 minutes ago, Splice the mainbrace said:

So from what I understand from todays news, the EU want AZ to export vaccine from UK to EU countries but individual EU countries may stop export of vaccines to the UK (or other non EU countries) if it is not in the EU countries interest!!

Could this put Pfizer 2nd doses at risk?

I wonder what part of "Best reasonable efforts" on their AZ contract do the EU consider to be binding on the quantity regardless of any production issues?

[tring]

31 minutes ago, Harry Peterson said:

Almost certainly, unfortunately, unless we do some sort of ‘swap’ deal with another vaccine.  But even the one dose will save the day for the NHS in the short term.

 

I agree there may need to be what you call a swap deal.

 

As the pfizer dosage is already being stretched well beyond what has been proved a successful time lag between the doses, I would hope the government do not just let everyone who has only had the first dose, wait into infinity for a second one.  The protection may well fall off relatively soon, so they would have to re administer all those first Pfizer doses to date.  I think you will find there is quite an outcry if they try anything like that as there have already been a lot of criticism from the medical profession among others.

Edited January 29, 2021 by tring

[tring]

17 minutes ago, kalos said:

 

First things first , Europe namely France can sort out the silly paperwork at the ports if they expect doses of vaccine to cross the channel , it works both ways .

 

 

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But we need the Pfizer vaccine from Belgium, if only to complete the vaccinations for those who have only had one dose so far.

 

A bit of humour in our house at present - DH suggests we could invade Belgium, then give it back once we have the required vaccine............

 

Time to cook the dinner and open a bottle of wine methinks.

 

Edited January 29, 2021 by tring

[Son of Anarchy]

14 minutes ago, tring said:

 

But we need the Pfizer vaccine from Belgium, if only to complete the vaccinations for those who have only had one dose so far.

 

A bit of humour in our house at present - DH suggests we could invade Belgium, then give it back once we have the required vaccine............

 

Time to cook the dinner and open a bottle of wine methinks.

 

That would be the third time we have rescued them from the Germans in a bit over 100 years.

[kalos]

10 minutes ago, tring said:

 

But we need the Pfizer vaccine from Belgium, if only to complete the vaccinations for those who have only had one dose so far.

 

A bit of humour in our house at present - DH suggests we could invade Belgium, then give it back once we have the required vaccine............

 

Time to cook the dinner and open a bottle of wine methinks.

 

 

I'm on your husbands side ,I will have to check ferry prices from Hull to over there .

 

Joking apart the paperwork at the ports need sorting for imports & exports though.

Enjoy your meal & wine  

 

 

[arlowood]

47 minutes ago, Splice the mainbrace said:

So from what I understand from todays news, the EU want AZ to export vaccine from UK to EU countries but individual EU countries may stop export of vaccines to the UK (or other non EU countries) if it is not in the EU countries interest!!

Could this put Pfizer 2nd doses at risk?

There is potentially a risk if the EU carries out it threat to scrutinise any "export" of vaccine manufactured in the EU to a non-EU country.

 

I get the impression that this sabre rattling by the EU is a bit of a smokescreen to divert attention away from their poor performance in acquiring sufficient vaccine orders for their own citizens. Firstly they stopped individual member states from striking deals on vaccine supply and insisted on a centralised system that introduced delays - hence the fact that they are behind the curve by about 3 months. Secondly they backed at least one horse that failed to finish - the French Sanofi vaccine.

 

In contrast we in the UK immediately convened a vaccine acquisition team of industry specialists who struck deals quickly with a number of the fledgling research groups. To date it seems that we were lucky in some respects and have backed at least 5 potential winners with maybe another 2 coming up on the rails.

OK we have been lucky - but there's an phrase that says you make your own luck if you go about things in the right way. At least our vaccine strategy is one of the shining lights in an otherwise gloomy set of performances in this pandemic

[tring]

11 minutes ago, kalos said:

 

Joking apart the paperwork at the ports need sorting for imports & exports though.

 

 

Absolutely, though not so sure that does not have a bit to do with the UK as well.  A very sad state of affairs altogether IMO, not helped by the late "agreement".  It was pretty obvious all along that both sides were going to hang on until the last minute to get the best deal from their perspective though.

 

Not something we voted for in the first place, though this vaccine business does point out the problems with the EU as it stands.  Then again it was said on last night's TV that each country could do their own thing as we did, whilst still effectively within the EU as in the withdrawal agreement time and there has also been mention that Germany have made another independent vaccine order of their own.

Edited January 29, 2021 by tring

[Harry Peterson]

Looks a little like HMG 10  EU  0, with EU trying to get out of it by playing the Trump card.

 

 

[PS - very clearly an imposter has hacked my account]