CalTexCruiser Posted September 22, 2021 #276 Share Posted September 22, 2021 36 minutes ago, Teeara said: That's exactly my fear since I also have an OS for the fall TA. If they give an OS as a consolation price to a Star class suite, that will make two unhappy customers: 1) the pep[;e in the Star class suite, and 2) the people in the OS. They should minimize the damage and just cancel the Star class suite outright instead of messing around. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare little britain Posted September 22, 2021 #277 Share Posted September 22, 2021 What time will she go on sale? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kandpsmom Posted September 22, 2021 #278 Share Posted September 22, 2021 I keep checking to see if it’s up…We have a 2 bedroom ATS in June and there were none left on our sailing. So, I am curious if any will be on sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pratique Posted September 22, 2021 #279 Share Posted September 22, 2021 53 minutes ago, CalTexCruiser said: If they give an OS as a consolation price to a Star class suite, that will make two unhappy customers: 1) the pep[;e in the Star class suite, and 2) the people in the OS. They should minimize the damage and just cancel the Star class suite outright instead of messing around. Royal will not lose sleep over this. Allure vs Wonder OS: 10 - 10 1BR GS: 30 - 28 2BR GS: 6 - 0 CLS: 25 - 8 25 fewer Sky Class cabins on Wonder means booting at least 25 bookings per sailing, a meager number overall. Even if those guests yell and scream they will be out of luck because there will be nothing left. They are price protecting on the same sailing but not offering price protection to move to another sailing. And I'm sure the refunds will be slow to post. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjmols Posted September 22, 2021 #280 Share Posted September 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, Pratique said: Royal will not lose sleep over this. Allure vs Wonder OS: 10 - 10 1BR GS: 30 - 28 2BR GS: 6 - 0 CLS: 25 - 8 25 fewer Sky Class cabins on Wonder means booting at least 25 bookings per sailing, a meager number overall. Even if those guests yell and scream they will be out of luck because there will be nothing left. They are price protecting on the same sailing but not offering price protection to move to another sailing. And I'm sure the refunds will be slow to post. Do you know the star class comparison please ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pratique Posted September 22, 2021 #281 Share Posted September 22, 2021 5 minutes ago, rjmols said: Do you know the star class comparison please ? By my count: Wonder has 1 Royal Suite and 1 Ultimate Family Suite. All suites except ATS are on Decks 17-18. Wonder has no Royal Loft Suites (vs 2 on Allure), no Star Loft Suite, and no Grand Panoramic Suite. I believe the number of ATS is the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare little britain Posted September 22, 2021 #282 Share Posted September 22, 2021 (edited) 19 minutes ago, kandpsmom said: I keep checking to see if it’s up…We have a 2 bedroom ATS in June and there were none left on our sailing. So, I am curious if any will be on sale. It’s 4:40p already in western Europe…… 🤷♀️ Edited September 22, 2021 by little britain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFerrington Posted September 22, 2021 #283 Share Posted September 22, 2021 6 minutes ago, Pratique said: Wonder has no Royal Loft Suites (vs 2 on Allure), no Star Loft Suite, and no Grand Panoramic Suite. I believe the number of ATS is the same. Allure has 2 RLS ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pratique Posted September 22, 2021 #284 Share Posted September 22, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, RFerrington said: Allure has 2 RLS ? Correction 2 Star Loft, 1 Royal Loft Edited September 22, 2021 by Pratique Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnylincoln Posted September 22, 2021 #285 Share Posted September 22, 2021 8 minutes ago, little britain said: It’s 4:40p already in western Europe…… 🤷♀️ Getting a little irritating now isn't it. I just want to see if there is a sailing that coincides with our already booked vacation time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnercruiserHD Posted September 22, 2021 #286 Share Posted September 22, 2021 According to their Twitter their site usually updates at 12 EST. Be patient... :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker19 Posted September 22, 2021 #287 Share Posted September 22, 2021 1 minute ago, BeginnercruiserHD said: Be patient... 😄 Welcome to CC. There's little of that with some CC posters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalTexCruiser Posted September 22, 2021 #288 Share Posted September 22, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, rjmols said: Do you know the star class comparison please ? 53 minutes ago, Pratique said: By my count: Wonder has 1 Royal Suite and 1 Ultimate Family Suite. All suites except ATS are on Decks 17-18. Wonder has no Royal Loft Suites (vs 2 on Allure), no Star Loft Suite, and no Grand Panoramic Suite. I believe the number of ATS is the same. For Star Class, the simple answer is: same number of 2 bdrm ATS suites same number of Royal Loft Suite (1) Then things go sideways: Allure has: A) 2 Star Loft suites, B) Owners Panoramic Suite, C) Grand Panoramic Suite Wonder has: Ultimate Family Suite Basically, if Royal is doing one-to-one mapping, then all the 2bdrm ATS suites and the Royal Loft suites will match exactly. That leaves mapping A, B, C of Allure to the Ultimate Family Suite. (Flip a 4-sided coin to see who wins) Edited September 22, 2021 by CalTexCruiser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weejasser Posted September 22, 2021 #289 Share Posted September 22, 2021 Cruises are showing on the German site now - and they're not cheap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare little britain Posted September 22, 2021 #290 Share Posted September 22, 2021 (edited) 44 minutes ago, johnnylincoln said: Getting a little irritating now isn't it. I just want to see if there is a sailing that coincides with our already booked vacation time. First email from uk agent received but you have to call them for prices - So the embargo must have been lifted. Or they jumped the gun! Lol. Just seen the dates on The German Site…. Rome departures a little cheaper than Barcelona Edited September 22, 2021 by little britain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smplybcause Posted September 22, 2021 #291 Share Posted September 22, 2021 2 hours ago, John&LaLa said: Wonder's generators are more efficient. Less fuel per KWH. Also not sure if Allure got the new slippery paint for her hull. As far as depreciation. The whole fleet is mortgaged to the hilt now, so carrying costs are eating them alive. Wonder may still be on more favorable financial terms than the re-financed Allure. But I'm not an accountant It's been a long time since my accounting classes but I'm pretty sure depreciation has nothing to do with the mortgage. It's just the cost of the asset divided by the number of years of the "life of the asset". Not aware of cruise ship timelines, but the accepted "life of asset" don't always line up with the actual life of the asset - it's whatever GAAP has decided. Though if the new debt was taken on specific ships it changes the equation. I dunno if they have to make all the specifics public, but would be interesting to see how it worked out of it was buy ship. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnercruiserHD Posted September 22, 2021 #292 Share Posted September 22, 2021 (edited) I tried to go on the German site and didn't see anything 😕 Edit: It's there. Suites show as SOLD OUT Dates look the same except for the first sailing. Edited September 22, 2021 by BeginnercruiserHD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalTexCruiser Posted September 22, 2021 #293 Share Posted September 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Pratique said: Royal will not lose sleep over this. Allure vs Wonder OS: 10 - 10 1BR GS: 30 - 28 2BR GS: 6 - 0 CLS: 25 - 8 25 fewer Sky Class cabins on Wonder means booting at least 25 bookings per sailing, a meager number overall. Even if those guests yell and scream they will be out of luck because there will be nothing left. They are price protecting on the same sailing but not offering price protection to move to another sailing. And I'm sure the refunds will be slow to post. I'm no expert on cruise line finances, but are they like the airlines where up to 75% of revenues come from business class travelers even though they make up 12% or so of flyers? So if analogous then suite passengers would contribute a substantial amount of the revenue even though making up a very small portion of the overall passengers? And if so, Royal should care about pissing off their higher revenue customers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare little britain Posted September 22, 2021 #294 Share Posted September 22, 2021 1 minute ago, BeginnercruiserHD said: I tried to go on the German site and didn't see anything 😕 Not the RCI German site….but the one that scans? All suites are showing as sold out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker19 Posted September 22, 2021 #295 Share Posted September 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, CalTexCruiser said: I'm no expert on cruise line finances, but are they like the airlines where up to 75% of revenues come from business class travelers even though they make up 12% or so of flyers? It's not as skewed as the airlines, but suites do make up some of the revenue. RCI makes most of its profits from on board sales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norwich Cruiser Posted September 22, 2021 #296 Share Posted September 22, 2021 It’s now on there site Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnercruiserHD Posted September 22, 2021 #297 Share Posted September 22, 2021 Looks like they updated the European sites first, not showing on US site yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steeler Nation At Sea Posted September 22, 2021 #298 Share Posted September 22, 2021 (edited) Not seeing the fall TA on Deutsche site. Edit: Found it on Scanner site. And, yes, my cabin is for sale. 🤯 Edited September 22, 2021 by Steeler Nation At Sea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snakeinmyboots Posted September 22, 2021 #299 Share Posted September 22, 2021 On both the German and Italian sites, they have the Western Med Wonder cruises listed. Good news is all the suites are showing booked. I'm hopeful this means RCCL is doing the right thing here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalTexCruiser Posted September 22, 2021 #300 Share Posted September 22, 2021 It's up on the US site. Suites are showing as sold out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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