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Pre-covid:

JoB: $1 7/5(96.1%), $5 8/5 97.3%, $5 triple play 8/6 (98.4)
Bp: $1 6/5 (96.9%), $5 35/6/5 97.4%, $5 triple play 7/5 (98)
Bp dlx: $5 triple 8/6 (98.5)
DW: $1 12/9 (97.1%), $5 12/10 97.6%
Db: $1 9/6/4 (96.4), $5 9/6/5 97.8%
ddb: $1 8/5 (96.8%), $5 9/5 97.9%

 

Now (on Gem and I assume fleet wide):

 

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21 hours ago, fstuff1 said:

Pre-covid:

JoB: $1 7/5(96.1%), $5 8/5 97.3%, $5 triple play 8/6 (98.4)
Bp: $1 6/5 (96.9%), $5 35/6/5 97.4%, $5 triple play 7/5 (98)
Bp dlx: $5 triple 8/6 (98.5)
DW: $1 12/9 (97.1%), $5 12/10 97.6%
Db: $1 9/6/4 (96.4), $5 9/6/5 97.8%
ddb: $1 8/5 (96.8%), $5 9/5 97.9%

 

Now (on Gem and I assume fleet wide):

 

IMG_20211127_161927.jpg

 

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So what are the other options.  Play or not play.✌️

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On 11/27/2021 at 3:25 PM, fstuff1 said:

Pre-covid:

JoB: $1 7/5(96.1%), $5 8/5 97.3%, $5 triple play 8/6 (98.4)
Bp: $1 6/5 (96.9%), $5 35/6/5 97.4%, $5 triple play 7/5 (98)
Bp dlx: $5 triple 8/6 (98.5)
DW: $1 12/9 (97.1%), $5 12/10 97.6%
Db: $1 9/6/4 (96.4), $5 9/6/5 97.8%
ddb: $1 8/5 (96.8%), $5 9/5 97.9%

 

Now (on Gem and I assume fleet wide):

 

IMG_20211127_161927.jpg

 

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I believe this is the paytable for DDB VP. As far as I can tell, it is now 7/5 instead of 8/5. Any changes for the rest of the games? Is JoB still 7/5?

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4 hours ago, Inveterate Cruiser said:

 

I believe this is the paytable for DDB VP. As far as I can tell, it is now 7/5 instead of 8/5. Any changes for the rest of the games? Is JoB still 7/5?

 

They actually improved the ddb paytable when i sailed earlier this year.
$5 ddb ($25/spin) is now 9/6, which is 99% return!

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15 hours ago, Inveterate Cruiser said:

Can anyone update what are the current VP pay tables for NCL, especially for JoB?

 

All good vp is at the $5 denom level ($25/hand) with 9/6 ddb being best.

 

I think JoB is 8/6 (98.4%).

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On 11/27/2021 at 9:54 PM, MoCruiseFan said:

Video poker has and always will be a sucker bet.

 

That's one reason I pretty much play (real) roulette if I feel like gambling.  I understand the odds, and how the 0/00 gives the house about a 5.2% cut in the action.  Anything electronic is just too nebulous in the odds, and assumes that the cards distributed are truly "random."

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On 11/27/2021 at 9:54 PM, MoCruiseFan said:

Video poker has and always will be a sucker bet.

 

 

video poker has and always will be a game of both skill and luck. skill is knowing the mathematical probabilities of which of the dealt cards to hold for the particular game you're playing. skill is knowing to hold only three aces (in certain games) when dealt a pat full house and throwing away the remaining pair. luck is having the fourth ace arrive on the draw.

 

there is a reason casinos, on  land and sea, reward twice as many players club points for slots than video poker. and it's not because video poker is a "sucker's bet." video poker is one of your best bets in a casino and is usually the only machine in the casino on which you can figure out the payback just by looking at the screen. try that with a slot machine! the expected return on VP can be over 100%, but you won't find that pay table on an NCL - or any other - ship. 

 

as for confirming a downgrade to the VP paytables on board NCL ships... i just got off the joy this morning and played a lot of VP... i didn't see any downgrades on the joy. but i was playing mostly UX, three and five line. i did put a couple of hundred or two through a single line TDB at the $1 denomination and it was 8/5, which is what it was on my last cruise. not great, but cruise-ship playable. (maybe the joy got the coca-cola upgrade, but not the VP downgrade?)

 

no self respecting casino manager, on land or sea, would put in a 7/5 paytable at the $1 or $5 denomination and expect people to play that. you might expect to see 7/5 at quarters (unplayable), 8/5 at $1 (marginal, considering where you are) and 9/5 at $5.

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3 hours ago, UKstages said:

 

video poker has and always will be a game of both skill and luck. skill is knowing the mathematical probabilities of which of the dealt cards to hold for the particular game you're playing. skill is knowing to hold only three aces (in certain games) when dealt a pat full house and throwing away the remaining pair. luck is having the fourth ace arrive on the draw.

 

there is a reason casinos, on  land and sea, reward twice as many players club points for slots than video poker. and it's not because video poker is a "sucker's bet." video poker is one of your best bets in a casino and is usually the only machine in the casino on which you can figure out the payback just by looking at the screen. try that with a slot machine! the expected return on VP can be over 100%, but you won't find that pay table on an NCL - or any other - ship. 

 

as for confirming a downgrade to the VP paytables on board NCL ships... i just got off the joy this morning and played a lot of VP... i didn't see any downgrades on the joy. but i was playing mostly UX, three and five line. i did put a couple of hundred or two through a single line TDB at the $1 denomination and it was 8/5, which is what it was on my last cruise. not great, but cruise-ship playable. (maybe the joy got the coca-cola upgrade, but not the VP downgrade?)

 

no self respecting casino manager, on land or sea, would put in a 7/5 paytable at the $1 or $5 denomination and expect people to play that. you might expect to see 7/5 at quarters (unplayable), 8/5 at $1 (marginal, considering where you are) and 9/5 at $5.

 

Just FYI my survey of the cruise lines VP is showing that JoB is 6/5 at 0.25 denom almost across the board…… 

 

So it does sound, at this point, that NCL has the best paytables for VP among all the cruise lines…… what I do like for VP is that, like slots, you can see the points you accrue on VP vs table games. The points you get on VP is also very much more transparent vs table games where the rating is by the pit boss and pretty subjective…

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