Changing rooms while traveling with kids

[Guppy99]

2 hours ago, FlamingJune1967 said:

I understand what you are saying - but my "kids" drive cars and have jobs.  I am not concerned that we might be separated in an emergency as that would likely happen anyway - and I have full confidence that they could follow instructions as well as I could.  

Rules are not on a case by case basis. So you have good kids who never use poor judgment. Good for you. Since that is not always the case, that's why the rules exists.  While your kids may drive, I wager that you are either paying very high insurance rates for them to have their own insurance or have added them to your insurance, specifically because teens are at greater risk because they tend to use poor judgment.  

[dkjretired]

1 hour ago, Guppy99 said:

Rules are not on a case by case basis. So you have good kids who never use poor judgment. Good for you. Since that is not always the case, that's why the rules exists.  While your kids may drive, I wager that you are either paying very high insurance rates for them to have their own insurance or have added them to your insurance, specifically because teens are at greater risk because they tend to use poor judgment.  

Celebrity has always allowed children to be in separate cabins from children under two conditions, cabin is adjacent or across the hall.   I did it numerous times with my kids 25 years ago.   It appears they broke the rules here because cabins are not near each other.   

[Guppy99]

16 minutes ago, dkjretired said:

Celebrity has always allowed children to be in separate cabins from children under two conditions, cabin is adjacent or across the hall.   I did it numerous times with my kids 25 years ago.   It appears they broke the rules here because cabins are not near each other.   

Someone may have told you it was ok, and you may have done it.... but it is absolutely against the rules. Further, even if the cabins are adjacent and they have balconies that is a terrible safety risk over and above the issues regarding kids being in their own cabin.

[dkjretired]

31 minutes ago, Guppy99 said:

Someone may have told you it was ok, and you may have done it.... but it is absolutely against the rules. Further, even if the cabins are adjacent and they have balconies that is a terrible safety risk over and above the issues regarding kids being in their own cabin.

Sorry, it was written in an FAQ very clearly, I’ll look for it tomorrow. I agree about the balconies, perhaps for some reason they changed it with Covid but it was definitely allowed in writing.

[Guppy99]

3 minutes ago, dkjretired said:

Sorry, it was written in an FAQ very clearly, I’ll look for it tomorrow. I agree about the balconies, perhaps for some reason they changed it with Covid but it was definitely allowed in writing.

ok. I look forward to it.

[dkjretired]

3 minutes ago, Guppy99 said:

ok. I look forward to it.

Also, I quoted the FAQ numerous times over the years on this board.

[Arizona Wildcat]

On 3/2/2022 at 8:55 PM, chemmo said:

With ships sailing with empty rooms why not phone up and see if they can move you to adjacent cabins? I can totally understand the reasons why you want adults in one room and teens in the other but also understand the reasoning for under 21s to be near their parents. 
 

 

I totally agree.  Yes, you could have the teens room together.  But. . . if there was an incident you could find all of you disembarked.  

We had 2 teens and a 21 yr old across the hall.  Three days into the cruise was asked to see the hotel manager to sort a problem.

What I cannot fathom is why you would book cabins that were not adjacent.  Hard to believe adjacent or CONNECTING cabins not available.

[Scottishclover]

I had just this problem when booking a Japan cruise this week . When we travel or girls will be 18 and 20 - in fact the eldest turns 21 on the cruise. I was booking 2 connecting insides online and after I had booked, I realised that only one deposit had gone through. Then  I noticed an alert telling me that you had to be 21 or over to be in a cabin. Of course coming from the UK this had never occurred to me  as 18 is the age you are considered an adult. I also found it odd as when you book the number of guests through celebrity you have the option of adult or child (under 17). The fact that I was booking connecting rooms made this even more bizarre. To cut a long story short my husband spent an hour and a half on the phone trying to sort out the issue and now we have the additional room booked. I am in one and my husband in the other but of course we were charged for the privilege of changing names. Seems ridiculous that when my daughter lives away from home, can drink alcohol,  vote, get married, that she can’t be in a room on her own in a cruise ship. I know that people connect being a minor to the legal drinking age but checked that too, and it’s 20 in Japan.

[Guppy99]

2 hours ago, Scottishclover said:

I had just this problem when booking a Japan cruise this week . When we travel or girls will be 18 and 20 - in fact the eldest turns 21 on the cruise. I was booking 2 connecting insides online and after I had booked, I realised that only one deposit had gone through. Then  I noticed an alert telling me that you had to be 21 or over to be in a cabin. Of course coming from the UK this had never occurred to me  as 18 is the age you are considered an adult. I also found it odd as when you book the number of guests through celebrity you have the option of adult or child (under 17). The fact that I was booking connecting rooms made this even more bizarre. To cut a long story short my husband spent an hour and a half on the phone trying to sort out the issue and now we have the additional room booked. I am in one and my husband in the other but of course we were charged for the privilege of changing names. Seems ridiculous that when my daughter lives away from home, can drink alcohol,  vote, get married, that she can’t be in a room on her own in a cruise ship. I know that people connect being a minor to the legal drinking age but checked that too, and it’s 20 in Japan.

Although 18 is the age when many people start to enjoy some adult privileges, there are still many which require a person to be 21. Liability issues and the ability to enter into some contracts often require a person to be 21.   In the US, child support is required until a child turns 21, unless the child has gone through an emancipation event. 

Celebrity will not allow a cabin to be contracted for unless there is at least one person of age in the cabin. Any Celebrity staff that allows passengers to circumvent that is opening the cruise line up to serious liability and probably doesn't even realize it.

[Scottishclover]

These are all good points regarding liability but if a connecting door is left open, which it will be between our  two connecting cabins, I see no reason why the our girls can’t be in one of the rooms and my husband and myself can sleep in the other. 

[Guppy99]

2 hours ago, Scottishclover said:

These are all good points regarding liability but if a connecting door is left open, which it will be between our  two connecting cabins, I see no reason why the our girls can’t be in one of the rooms and my husband and myself can sleep in the other. 

I don't either as long as there are no balcony's (because it creates one bigger room), except that it is a violation of the rules. The thing is that not everyone will do that. They want rooms across from one another. Rooms with balconies.  They won't keep the connecting door open at all times. If I recall correctly (without looking back) the OP or one of the other responses had rooms that were merely on the same floor. 

[dkjretired]

Below is Celebrity's policy as of a post I found in Jan. 2020, coincidentally just around when Covid stuck so it could have been pulled.

 

Celebrity’s minimum age to sail unaccompanied on sailings originating in North America is twenty-one (21). The minimum age to sail unaccompanied on sailings from South America, Europe, Asia, Australia and New Zealand is eighteen (18). Celebrity Cruises retains the right, on rare occasions, to raise the minimum age to sail unaccompanied on any sailing when local laws require or permit such a modification.

 

 

 

For voyages originating in North America, no guest younger than the age twenty-one (21) will be assigned to a stateroom unless accompanied in the same stateroom by an adult twenty-one (21) years old or older. A guest's age is established upon the first date of sailing. This age limit will be waived for children sailing with their parents or guardians in connecting staterooms; for underage married couples; and for active duty members of the United States or Canadian military. Certain other restrictions and conditions will apply; such as compliance with the age twenty-one (21) alcohol policy, and proof of marriage for underage couples or proof of active duty military status required.”

 

 

https://boards.cruisecritic.com/topic/2729465-celebrity-rules-for-children-in-adjacent-cabins/?do=findComment&comment=59262215

 

The links take you to the Faqs which as far as I can tell no longer have the wording above.

 

Celebrity has always considered across the hall as connecting.

 

I do agree with Guppy about the veranda's though.   I should point out that this policy goes all the way back to the early 90s when I sailed with my wife and two kids age 8 and 6.    It should also be pointed out that at that time there were very few ships with veranda's, you either had an inside or an outside.   

 

The married couples thing is funny, I remember many years ago on this board there was a couple who were both 16 but married and wanted to sail.   They were allowed to sail because they were married.   

Edited March 11, 2022 by dkjretired

[Loracpin2]

17 hours ago, FlamingJune1967 said:

An update now that we are back.
 Moving rooms was a non-issue.  We simply went to the Guest Services desk and asked to move the teenagers to one room together and us into the other.  They changed our room cards and accounts to reflect the change.  Everyone knew we were in 7125 and the kids were in 6025 - from the cabin stewards to the bartenders to the dining room hostess to the waiters- to the activities staff, to the muster station staff.
by the way - my kids are 15 and 16.  

You can’t officially change rooms but we always just got extra keys and just physically had adults in one cabin and kids in the other. We trusted our kids and it always worked out great and the staff just didn’t care.

 

Above in red is one of the responses from your original post that started this thread which may have given you the idea to possibly have additional keys made. Unless Celebrity has eliminated all protocols about this policy, I extremely doubt they would have allowed your 15 & 16 year old minors on a completely different floor and more importantly a different Muster station!!!

[Guppy99]

53 minutes ago, dkjretired said:

Below is Celebrity's policy as of a post I found in Jan. 2020, coincidentally just around when Covid stuck so it could have been pulled.

 

Celebrity’s minimum age to sail unaccompanied on sailings originating in North America is twenty-one (21). The minimum age to sail unaccompanied on sailings from South America, Europe, Asia, Australia and New Zealand is eighteen (18). Celebrity Cruises retains the right, on rare occasions, to raise the minimum age to sail unaccompanied on any sailing when local laws require or permit such a modification.

 

 

 

For voyages originating in North America, no guest younger than the age twenty-one (21) will be assigned to a stateroom unless accompanied in the same stateroom by an adult twenty-one (21) years old or older. A guest's age is established upon the first date of sailing. This age limit will be waived for children sailing with their parents or guardians in connecting staterooms; for underage married couples; and for active duty members of the United States or Canadian military. Certain other restrictions and conditions will apply; such as compliance with the age twenty-one (21) alcohol policy, and proof of marriage for underage couples or proof of active duty military status required.”

 

 

https://boards.cruisecritic.com/topic/2729465-celebrity-rules-for-children-in-adjacent-cabins/?do=findComment&comment=59262215

 

The links take you to the Faqs which as far as I can tell no longer have the wording above.

 

Celebrity has always considered across the hall as connecting.

 

I do agree with Guppy about the veranda's though.   I should point out that this policy goes all the way back to the early 90s when I sailed with my wife and two kids age 8 and 6.    It should also be pointed out that at that time there were very few ships with veranda's, you either had an inside or an outside.   

 

The married couples thing is funny, I remember many years ago on this board there was a couple who were both 16 but married and wanted to sail.   They were allowed to sail because they were married.   

I don't consider across the hall as connecting at all.  I don't consider adjacent rooms without an interior door between as connecting either. Connecting means connecting.  Also, if the FAQs are no longer there, then it's no longer an exception.  The above posts by others are examples of how policy can become distorted or taken too far (such as considering rooms across the hall as connecting). Also, the statement says Celebrity reserves the right to raise the minimum age (not lower or alter, which could go either way).

 

I know a couple from a previous place of employment who were planning on being married and wanted to cruise for their honeymoon. They couldn't make a reservation because they couldn't produce a marriage license in order to make the reservation and they wouldn't have the actual license (filed and from the town) until weeks after the ceremony.  (This was on Cunard)

Edited March 11, 2022 by Guppy99

[dkjretired]

26 minutes ago, Guppy99 said:

I don't consider across the hall as connecting at all.  I don't consider adjacent rooms without an interior door between as connecting either. Connecting means connecting.  Also, if the FAQs are no longer there, then it's no longer an exception.  The above posts by others are examples of how policy can become distorted or taken too far (such as considering rooms across the hall as connecting). Also, the statement says Celebrity reserves the right to raise the minimum age (not lower or alter, which could go either way).

 

I know a couple from a previous place of employment who were planning on being married and wanted to cruise for their honeymoon. They couldn't make a reservation because they couldn't produce a marriage license in order to make the reservation and they wouldn't have the actual license (filed and from the town) until weeks after the ceremony.  (This was on Cunard)

Your opinion on across the hall or no door, not Celebrity’s opinion. Did it several times going back thirty years. Love when people are shown facts and deny them. I laid it out honestly

Edited March 11, 2022 by dkjretired

[LGW59]

On 3/2/2022 at 11:12 PM, FlamingJune1967 said:

I did it on purpose.  My room is a veranda - kids room is an oceanview.  I did not want them to be interior, but did not want to spring for a veranda.  To be honest, I won the veranda cruise while on the Edge in December and added the additional cabin so that the kids could come with us.

Here is a thought, why don't you just try to do it on the up and up, call Celebrity or your TA

[dkjretired]

2 minutes ago, LGW59 said:

Here is a thought, why don't you just try to do it on the up and up, call Celebrity or your TA

I think their cruise is over, they reported on what happened.

[LGW59]

13 minutes ago, dkjretired said:

I think their cruise is over, they reported on what happened.

LOL, I did not go back and do my homework or my senior moments are coming fast and furious 😚

 

[jwlane]

24 minutes ago, dkjretired said:

Love when people are shown facts and deny them.

Exactly.  Don't you love how some keep citing "the rules" without ever producing them?

[dkjretired]

8 minutes ago, LGW59 said:

LOL, I did not go back and do my homework or my senior moments are coming fast and furious 😚

 

Senior moment, know it well.

[Guppy99]

1 hour ago, dkjretired said:

Your opinion on across the hall or no door, not Celebrity’s opinion. Did it several times going back thirty years. Love when people are shown facts and deny them. I laid it out honestly

You stated an old FAQ. It says connecting.... you are the one who said across the hall. No where does Celebrity say that. Furthermore, this is not the current policy on the website.

[emmas gran]

The OP is back home no need for the arguments Guppy it’s not relevant now.

[dkjretired]

1 hour ago, Guppy99 said:

You stated an old FAQ. It says connecting.... you are the one who said across the hall. No where does Celebrity say that. Furthermore, this is not the current policy on the website.

It could be the policy since the OP just did it. , I said across the hall from experience multiple times long before you joined this board? You  said it didn’t happen period, multiple times, give it up you were incorrect, I gave prof you gave opinion without any basis in fact.

Edited March 11, 2022 by dkjretired

[LGW59]

13 minutes ago, dkjretired said:

It could be the policy since the OP just did it. , I said across the hall from experience multiple times long before you joined this board? You  said it didn’t happen period, multiple times, give it up you were incorrect, I gave prof you gave opinion without any basis in fact.

I agree, if the OP was able to do this on-board, obviously Celebrity handled it for him and made the change. I questioned at the start as well but once I was pointed to his follow-up I realized it was done on the up and up, time to stop admonishing him, accept the fact he did play by the rules, some of us were wrong, just admit it and move on.  

[dkjretired]

I found CURRENT policy which has not changed in all Celebrity Brochures which can be downloaded from website, sent to your home or picked up at your TA.   Its on around page 165 however I can't download the text because of some technical problems beyond my capability.   Still in effect.