Vaping on quantum of the seas

[lovesthebeach2]

50 minutes ago, Kitalion said:

If u didn’t understand the point of it - why are u still following along 9 pages later? The post is still there - u can re-read it for yourself.

I have my own reason why I think you posted it, I wanted to know which out of the two i asked is what you thought you needed to tell everyone here on this site.  I’m just curious, Why put this post here? 
 

[Kitalion]

27 minutes ago, lovesthebeach2 said:

Thank you for telling us the whole story regarding the “prescriptions”.

Well it’s not the whole story.

 

 E-cigs were banned initially because of safety concerns but the strategy to support a smoke free australia had to include something to encourage those already smoking to make the move away.  The ability for doctors to prescribe vapes now exists as part of that first move - so it came after the e-cig ban. The standard for the TGA to approve vapes is in the works so the pharmaceutical devices currently available can be assessed and approved.  Despite the personal opinion of some others they are still not the dodgy imported devices that the large amount of people in Australia Aquire from suppliers breaking the law.

 

the powers of our border control  are also to be heightened to seize devices that either dont meet the standard or are being imported by those without the proper supplier credentials to stop these devices getting into the hands of children.  Limiting this is critical to stop a new generation being addicted to nicotine and concerns that in the future they may convert to tobacco smoking.Having restricted vapes is critical to the smoke free strategy in Australia.  It is entirely irrelevant that patches and gum exist - doctors job is to assess their client needs and the therapy appropriate based on their client assessment and their scientific knowledge of the efficacy and safety of products that are available for them to prescribe.  

 

to say in Australia the only way you can get a vape is factually incorrect - they are illegally supplied everywhere.  Prescription is the only legal way but in practice if you want one its just easier to go buy one from numerous retailers that sell them since its the supply not the purchase that is illegal.  

 

The situation in Australia is outlined in the recent consultation papers collated by Smoke free Australia - I didn’t just make it up - just like the “prescription”.

[Kitalion]

2 minutes ago, lovesthebeach2 said:

I have my own reason why I think you posted it, I wanted to know which out of the two i asked is what you thought you needed to tell everyone here on this site.  I’m just curious, Why put this post here? 
 

It really is what I said In the post.  It’s not being enforced from my experience.  There are many reasons why I think this may be but it was my experience.  It’s happening anyway - I’m the only one transparent enough to say it.  If that makes me a bad person well so be it.  Im glad my best friend who has smoked for 40 years is longer smoking.  She considers herself a non smoker now.  The rule needs to be challenged.  If we lose then we lose - we are adults we will take the consequences.  And like I said I’m quite happy to report honestly on what happens whether that be a written response from royal or any other actions onboard against us.  

[Guest phd1003]

1 hour ago, sft429 said:

 

So one steward on one ship looked the other way when he caught your friend vaping.  That is not evidence that Royal doesn't care to enforce it, just that  one steward didn't care to enforce it.

Of course the stew will look the other way. They work for tips (Most of the time but I'm not starting that up, here)

[davekathy]

23 minutes ago, Kitalion said:

It really is what I said In the post.  It’s not being enforced from my experience.  There are many reasons why I think this may be but it was my experience.  It’s happening anyway - I’m the only one transparent enough to say it.  If that makes me a bad person well so be it.  Im glad my best friend who has smoked for 40 years is longer smoking.  She considers herself a non smoker now.  The rule needs to be challenged.  If we lose then we lose - we are adults we will take the consequences.  And like I said I’m quite happy to report honestly on what happens whether that be a written response from royal or any other actions onboard against us.  

Good luck. Personally I hope RC doesn't make an exception in your case or others like yours. Your first post is why I say that. IMO, the adult thing to do would be to respect RCs decision if your request is denied. 

[Kitalion]

24 minutes ago, davekathy said:

Good luck. Personally I hope RC doesn't make an exception in your case or others like yours. Your first post is why I say that. IMO, the adult thing to do would be to respect RCs decision if your request is denied. 

You’re betting against me because you don’t like your impression of me in my first post? Have I understood that correctly?  If so, Im saddened to hear that Davekathy.  However the fact remains If it’s not being enforced then it really seems kind of meaningless either way but I’m invested now in seeing this through.  I  have a feeling that Royal will review their stance in our favour.  Stay tuned for the next exciting chapter.  

Edited February 1, 2023 by Kitalion

[Kitalion]

50 minutes ago, phd1003 said:

Of course the stew will look the other way. They work for tips (Most of the time but I'm not starting that up, here)

Ha ha I swear no bribes (tips) took place but I guess you’re right - if we needed to grease the wheels so to speak a tip could be the answer.  

Attendant: ah Mam, there is no vaping in the cabins and I’m going to have to report you.

Me:  I think this 50 dollars is for you I found it on the floor at your feet.

Attendant: What vape? I dont see any vape.

[ONECRUISER]

I personally "Burned" in Cabin Smokers and Vapers in past. Know for sure at least 2 different times Passengers were Fined by Royal thanks to me turning them in...  

Edited February 1, 2023 by ONECRUISER

[Engineroom Snipe]

3 hours ago, S.A.M.J.R. said:

I don't get the Lithium-Ion argument.  Don't cell phones, tablets, and laptops (among other things) also use them?  Some battery failures in those and you think RCI will say "no more cell phones allowed"?

 

Most people without an electrical or electronic engineering background will make the same mistake.

 

Vape "pens" need to heat the vapor 'coil' to almost 525 degrees F in order to start the process. The voltage is constant so in order to ramp up the wattage (voltage x current = wattage), the amperage is extremely high for the process. While computers and phones normally do not have extreme wattage variation designs for normal usage, the vapor pens demand a high current over a short period of time. Vapor pen manufacturers even warn about this possibility and state that their pens need to "rest" in order to dissipate this heat between vapes. Do you know how many minutes they recommend? 🤔 How many people read manufacturer warnings?  🤣 This is where batteries start to heat. 😟

 

Low voltage , high wattage, and high current stress the polymer barriers within the lithium-ion batteries. Once the barriers start to degrade and fail because the temperature ratings have been exceeded, there is an uncontrolled chemical reaction that is intense and hot.  😰 Airline attendants are given special training, "hot mitts", and containers to control such situations.  😁Cabin attendants do not have this training or equipment. 😱

 

Comparing constant wattage demands of phones and computers to the high instantaneous demands of vapor pens is truly "apples to oranges". The heat differentials and dissipation factors are completely different. Physics and mathematics are my specialties after five degrees and over forty-years of work experience. I would enjoy answering any other questions about power, electrical equipment, electronics, mechanical systems and computers in general. "Its my bag, baby" (The movie, Austin Powers).

 

Edited February 1, 2023 by Engineroom Snipe
grammer ....darnitt

[Kitalion]

2 minutes ago, Engineroom Snipe said:

 

Most people without an electrical or electronic engineering background will make the same mistake.

 

Vape "pens" need to heat the vapor 'coil' to almost 525 degrees F in order to start the process. The voltage is constant so in order to ramp up the wattage (voltage x current = wattage), the amperage is extremely high for the process. While computers and phones normally do not have extreme wattage variation designs for normal usage, the vapor pens demand a high current over a short period of time. Vapor pen manufacturers even warn about this possibility and state that their pens need to "rest" in order to dissipate this heat between vapes. Do you know how many minutes they recommend? 🤔 How many people read manufacturer warnings?  🤣 This is where batteries start to heat. 😟

 

Low voltage , high wattage, and high current stress the polymer barriers withing the lithium-ion batteries. Once the barriers start to degrade and fail because the temperature ratings have been exceeded, there is an uncontrolled chemical reaction that is intense and hot.  😰 Airline attendants are given special training, "hot mitts", and containers to control such situations.  😁Cabin attendants do not have this training or equipment. 😱

 

Comparing constant wattage demands of phones and computers to the high instantaneous demands of vapor pens is truly "apples to oranges". The heat differentials and dissipation factors are completely different. Physics and mathematics are my specialties after five degrees and over forty-years of work experience. I would enjoy answering any other questions about power, electrical equipment, electronics, mechanical systems and computers in general. "Its my bag, baby" (The movie, Austin Powers).

Omg I was just thinking when is a battery/electrical expert going to join this thread and answer that battery question.  I found this very informative thanks!

I have two questions:

1. Are the vapes that are rechargeable using lithium batteries and therefore what you said above still applicable? 

2. Not about vapes but I suspect the answer is electrical based - Do you I know why they dont allow hand held clothes steamers on cruises? Is it just a grab to make money by the cruise line so your forced to send your clothes out and pay for them to iron them or is that device somehow risky or hazardous?

 

Thanks in advance

[goldfish65]

4 hours ago, Mum2Mercury said:

Yuck, I'd rather have a skunk in my living room than a smoker.  Seriously, I was surprised when one person said this -- but two?  

To be clear, I don't allow people to smoke in my house, ever, but on a cruise ship where I am just passing through the casino and the designated smoking areas are outdoors, it just doesn't bother me, personally. My clothes are not smelling of smoke. Most recently, it was nice seeing people able to enjoy a cigarette on their vacation without feeling like outcasts. Same with vape pens. Again, we should all follow the rules on the ship. 

[Engineroom Snipe]

24 minutes ago, Kitalion said:

Omg I was just thinking when is a battery/electrical expert going to join this thread and answer that battery question.  I found this very informative thanks!

I have two questions:

1. Are the vapes that are rechargeable using lithium batteries and therefore what you said above still applicable? 

2. Not about vapes but I suspect the answer is electrical based - Do you I know why they dont allow hand held clothes steamers on cruises? Is it just a grab to make money by the cruise line so your forced to send your clothes out and pay for them to iron them or is that device somehow risky or hazardous?

 

Thanks in advance

 

1. Rechargeable Lithium-Ion batteries, Nickel Cadmium, and  Nickel Hydroxide batteries are used by vapor pens. Nickel Cadmium has slowly been phased out as it contains materials deemed to be hazardous for disposal. Nickel Hydroxide is popular because it is cheaper than" Lithium-Ion". The Nickel Hydroxide does not last as many "vapes" as Lithium-Ion batteries before recharging. The potential for all of these batteries to overheat in vaping pens is the same. The resultant "fires" when they fail have different intensities.

 

2. The steamers and irons are not allowed because each cabin is rated for so many "watts". The hair dryers provided by RCI are designed to not exceed the allowed "watts". The electrical design aboard ships is completely different from National Electrical Codes used for buildings and dwellings. When the wires start to overheat due to abnormal current demands, the cabin could lose all power. RCI would have to destroy the cabin in order to inspect the physical wiring and replace it if it were damaged since the cabin is installed in a modular package when the ship was built.

 

Edited February 1, 2023 by Engineroom Snipe
grammer...darnitt

[Ret MP]

9 hours ago, S.A.M.J.R. said:

So it's "OK" to disobey "rules" because you don't agree with them?    And if you use the argument about Royal not enforcing the dress code, if they don't enforce "no vaping in cabins", what's the difference? 

I never said that I'd disobey the rules when they are rules.  In fact, I've repeatedly said that, I'm a rule follower"  However, I did say that I don't agree with some of what's on the invoice, doesn't mean that I will or will not obey what's on the invoice.  I'm not making or using any argument.  I just posted what was on my invoice.  In that, their is a dress code or "formal night" as stated on the invoice, when someone said there isn't, there is a dress code but its only a suggestion, not a rule.   I will never wear  a suit & tie, or Tux in the MDR or any other venue on a vacation cruise, never.  And that's not disobeying a rule.

[Ret MP]

5 hours ago, Mum2Mercury said:

Yuck, I'd rather have a skunk in my living room than a smoker.  Seriously, I was surprised when one person said this -- but two?  

I agree with those that enjoy the smell of cigarette smoke, too.  But, I'll not sink down into the giggle weeds to belittle someone that doesn't like or dislike what I do.  

[Ret MP]

1 hour ago, goldfish65 said:

To be clear, I don't allow people to smoke in my house, ever, but on a cruise ship where I am just passing through the casino and the designated smoking areas are outdoors, it just doesn't bother me, personally. My clothes are not smelling of smoke. Most recently, it was nice seeing people able to enjoy a cigarette on their vacation without feeling like outcasts. Same with vape pens. Again, we should all follow the rules on the ship. 

Well said and I totally agree!

[cruise1957]

On 1/23/2023 at 10:56 PM, Kitalion said:

Just off quantum of the seas.  I can definitely attest that they do not enforce the no vaping (e cigs) in cabins.  My best friend and I shared a balcony room and she vaped the entire week in the room (not on the balcony or anywhere else).  I didn’t mind - I kind of like the very subtle smell.  No alarms went off or anything as the smoke deter was not set off by the very small amount of vape. AND the room attendant even saw her do it and he said as long as she doesn’t do it anywhere else like on the balcony shell be fine!!!!  So, if you have a low smoke, low smell vape you are more than likely going to be fine vaping in your cabin.  Discrete is the word tho. 🙂

You don't mind the smell, but what about the next passengers in the cabin? There are many people who are very sensitive to smells.  

[A&L_Ont]

10 hours ago, Engineroom Snipe said:

It is a slow day. ☺️

 

4 hours ago, Kitalion said:

… I’m invested now in seeing this through.  I  have a feeling that Royal will review their stance in our favour.  Stay tuned for the next exciting chapter.  

I’m expecting another bad food thread to break out. 
 

Those that know the reference,  🐝 lieve me.

[Engineroom Snipe]

1 minute ago, A&L_Ont said:

 

I’m expecting another bad food thread to break out. 
 

Those that know the reference,  🐝 lieve me.

 

OMG, there are no salmon slices for my Windjammer breakfast! That is the last straw! I will NEVER cruise with RCI again!   😱😰😁🤣🤣

[cruise1957]

On 1/25/2023 at 2:10 PM, moposh said:

I would like to be able to walk through the casino without all the smoke.  I usually try to find another way than through the casino because of the smoke.

So do we, we go up or down a deck to avoid the casino. Just got off Jewel, we went to the Pit Stop to watch the NFL playoff games, it was tough with the smoke coming out of the casino. We make it through one game and the Pit Stop and went up to the pool deck for both night games.

[Engineroom Snipe]

2 minutes ago, cruise1957 said:

So do we, we go up or down a deck to avoid the casino. Just got off Jewel, we went to the Pit Stop to watch the NFL playoff games, it was tough with the smoke coming out of the casino. We make it through one game and the Pit Stop and went up to the pool deck for both night games.

 

As many "Bubble-heads" in the Navy would say before nuclear submarines were invented, "You have to pop the snorkel for some fresh-air".
😁

[soremekun]

I think this is the appropriate place for this question:

 

What are your thoughts about those who flush baby wipes down the cruise ship toilet?

[Engineroom Snipe]

2 minutes ago, soremekun said:

I think this is the appropriate place for this question:

 

What are your thoughts about those who flush baby wipes down the cruise ship toilet?

 

I should add, it is very important to describe the brand of baby wipes and what type of bio-waste did they contain?  🤢

[Kitalion]

3 hours ago, Engineroom Snipe said:

 

1. Rechargeable Lithium-Ion batteries, Nickel Cadmium, and  Nickel Hydroxide batteries are used by vapor pens. Nickel Cadmium has slowly been phased out as it contains materials deemed to be hazardous for disposal. Nickel Hydroxide is popular because it is cheaper than" Lithium-Ion". The Nickel Hydroxide does not last as many "vapes" as Lithium-Ion batteries before recharging. The potential for all of these batteries to overheat in vaping pens is the same. The resultant "fires" when they fail have different intensities.

 

2. The steamers and irons are not allowed because each cabin is rated for so many "watts". The hair dryers provided by RCI are designed to not exceed the allowed "watts". The electrical design aboard ships is completely different from National Electrical Codes used for buildings and dwellings. When the wires start to overheat due to abnormal current demands, the cabin could lose all power. RCI would have to destroy the cabin in order to inspect the physical wiring and replace it if it were damaged since the cabin is installed in a modular package when the ship was built.

 

Thank you so much for your comprehensive and clear explanation that is so helpful and makes so much sense. Thanks again!!

[davekathy]

6 hours ago, Kitalion said:

You’re betting against me because you don’t like your impression of me in my first post? Have I understood that correctly?  If so, Im saddened to hear that Davekathy.  However the fact remains If it’s not being enforced then it really seems kind of meaningless either way but I’m invested now in seeing this through.  I  have a feeling that Royal will review their stance in our favour.  Stay tuned for the next exciting chapter.  

Don't be sad, but yes that's what I said only based on #1.We can strongly disagree, but that's respectful.  I'm all in favor and have said this in every thread concerning smoking and vaping that I support smokers and vapors doing their thing only in the designated areas. I don't blame smokers and vapers using the casino as a smoking lounge when it's closed to gambling. I blame only RC for that.  Where's is vaping not enforced?  If you are only talking about cabins, I agree and that would be impossible to enforce with the current type of smoke detectors.  My Magic 8 Ball say's, "very doubtful". Looking forward to the next chapter. 😁

Edited February 2, 2023 by davekathy

[Kitalion]

2 hours ago, Engineroom Snipe said:

 

I should add, it is very important to describe the brand of baby wipes and what type of bio-waste did they contain?  🤢

Oh I have another question for you that is neither about the topic of this thread - but whilst I have your attention wonder if you have any info on the following:

ever since I watched the costa Concordia documentary about the sinking and tragedy I have wondered about those life boats and the angle should the ship list to one side like the Concordia.  Specifically in the doco they said one problem in getting people off was the angle of the ship relative to the overhang of the lifeboats preventing some of the life boats from lowering.  Im wondering:

On the RCI boats do they have a mechanism to overcome this such as an arm or other design feature that extends it further to prevent that and if so if the ship loses power will it still work?