MoCruiseFan Posted February 14, 2023 #126 Share Posted February 14, 2023 Some of the posts in this thread have to be the most moronic, absurd, and laughable tin foil hat comments ever made on line anywhere. NCL is going to in person muster drills to save money! I laughed so hard I darn near peed my pants. Thanks for the chuckles folks. This has to be the best thread ever on these forums! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davencl Posted February 14, 2023 #127 Share Posted February 14, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, MoCruiseFan said: Some of the posts in this thread have to be the most moronic, absurd, and laughable tin foil hat comments ever made on line anywhere. NCL is going to in person muster drills to save money! I laughed so hard I darn near peed my pants. Thanks for the chuckles folks. This has to be the best thread ever on these forums! I think you're being too kind... However thanks for expressing my thoughts... Edited February 14, 2023 by davencl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare ontheweb Posted February 14, 2023 #128 Share Posted February 14, 2023 16 hours ago, MoCruiseFan said: Some of the posts in this thread have to be the most moronic, absurd, and laughable tin foil hat comments ever made on line anywhere. NCL is going to in person muster drills to save money! I laughed so hard I darn near peed my pants. Thanks for the chuckles folks. This has to be the best thread ever on these forums! I think even more morainic are the claims that Carnival is spending more on the new e-muster. Maybe they should save that money and instead spend more on staffing and food. 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocketMan275 Posted February 14, 2023 #129 Share Posted February 14, 2023 49 minutes ago, ontheweb said: I think even more morainic are the claims that Carnival is spending more on the new e-muster. Maybe they should save that money and instead spend more on staffing and food. 🤣 Obviously, Carnival and Royal Caribbean are willing to pay more to improve passenger safety through the emuster. Instead, NCL is willing to sacrifice passenger safety to save money. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted February 14, 2023 #130 Share Posted February 14, 2023 (edited) 21 minutes ago, RocketMan275 said: Obviously, Carnival and Royal Caribbean are willing to pay more to improve passenger safety through the emuster. Instead, NCL is willing to sacrifice passenger safety to save money. Please show me some facts to back this up. I don't willingly accept statements as being correct or accurate, without some facts to back them up, though you seem fully invested in the Points Guy's assertions. Just like I won't jump on the blame wagon and criticize a cruise line that has a fire onboard, until I see the facts, not hearsay. When Carnival Corp corporate executives and legal team said they weren't polluting, I guess you believed that as well. Edited February 14, 2023 by chengkp75 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiefMateJRK Posted February 14, 2023 #131 Share Posted February 14, 2023 21 minutes ago, RocketMan275 said: Obviously, Carnival and Royal Caribbean are willing to pay more to improve passenger safety through the emuster. Instead, NCL is willing to sacrifice passenger safety to save money. Thank you for expressing your opinion in a professional manner without referring to those who hold a different opinion as "morons." I believe that your background has taught you how to take the high road and not get sucked into using such juvenile references. Wouldn't it be nice if others could do the same?😎 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocketMan275 Posted February 14, 2023 #132 Share Posted February 14, 2023 9 minutes ago, chengkp75 said: Please show me some facts to back this up. I don't willingly accept statements as being correct or accurate, without some facts to back them up, though you seem fully invested in the Points Guy's assertions. Just like I won't jump on the blame wagon and criticize a cruise line that has a fire onboard, until I see the facts, not hearsay. When Carnival Corp corporate executives and legal team said they weren't polluting, I guess you believed that as well. You have no facts to back up your assertions that inpersonmuster drills increase passenger safety over emuster drills. At least I can point to a credible source for my claims. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocketMan275 Posted February 14, 2023 #133 Share Posted February 14, 2023 8 minutes ago, ChiefMateJRK said: Thank you for expressing your opinion in a professional manner without referring to those who hold a different opinion as "morons." I believe that your background has taught you how to take the high road and not get sucked into using such juvenile references. Wouldn't it be nice if others could do the same?😎 Thank you. There are those who believe name-calling is a viable alternative to presenting facts. All name-calling does is demonstrate a lack of facts to support their positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare ColeThornton Posted February 14, 2023 #134 Share Posted February 14, 2023 You guys keep saying the same things over and over in a strange effort to get the last word in. Sometimes ya just gotta disagree and then move on to the next world changing cruise issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted February 14, 2023 #135 Share Posted February 14, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, RocketMan275 said: You have no facts to back up your assertions that inpersonmuster drills increase passenger safety over emuster drills. At least I can point to a credible source for my claims. And, I can point to the IMO, which did not give the e-muster full approval, as it is unproven procedure. I can point to the number of shipboard emergencies where the passenger muster went off without a flaw, using the in person drill procedure. And, what really gets me, is that the vast majority of complaints about going back to the in person drill are from those who haven't done it yet. Look at the Disney board, you don't see a peep about the drill. And, yeah, I'll sign off here, even though you're pushing of the Points Guy opinion can lead to misinformation. Edited February 14, 2023 by chengkp75 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcook Posted February 14, 2023 #136 Share Posted February 14, 2023 (edited) Alternate opinion: The amount of “safety” that is added by any muster drill is approximately zero. For the passengers at least (it may help the crew.) We can all have opinions on which is better, but the idea that one is measurably and demonstratively better… not buying it. Edited February 14, 2023 by wcook 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoCruiseFan Posted February 14, 2023 #137 Share Posted February 14, 2023 39 minutes ago, wcook said: Alternate opinion: The amount of “safety” that is added by any muster drill is approximately zero. For the passengers at least (it may help the crew.) We can all have opinions on which is better, but the idea that one is measurably and demonstratively better… not buying it. I highly disagree and it is simple logic. If you hold the drill at the exact place you are supposed to head to in a real emergency and go through the drill there, it is much more likely that folks will remember where to go as opposed to simply walking by and giving your name to some guy with a clipboard checking off names. It's not like we are talking much time anyway. Go to the assigned area, listen to the spiel, then go enjoy your cruise. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoCruiseFan Posted February 14, 2023 #138 Share Posted February 14, 2023 1 hour ago, ChiefMateJRK said: Thank you for expressing your opinion in a professional manner without referring to those who hold a different opinion as "morons." I believe that your background has taught you how to take the high road and not get sucked into using such juvenile references. Wouldn't it be nice if others could do the same?😎 I don't recall anyone calling anyone else a moron. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiefMateJRK Posted February 14, 2023 #139 Share Posted February 14, 2023 53 minutes ago, chengkp75 said: And, what really gets me, is that the vast majority of complaints about going back to the in person drill are from those who haven't done it yet. I did it on the Sky in January and it was not only a complete waste of my time, but somewhat unpleasant (packed in like rats, ordered where to stand, etc.). Yeah, I'm sure the safety "experts" are convinced that this made me safer despite my experience, but isn't that just how "experts" are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiefMateJRK Posted February 14, 2023 #140 Share Posted February 14, 2023 4 minutes ago, MoCruiseFan said: I don't recall anyone calling anyone else a moron. 18 hours ago, MoCruiseFan said: Some of the posts in this thread have to be the most moronic, 2 hours ago, ontheweb said: I think even more morainic Really? Maybe you need to get your computer checked out.🤣 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocketMan275 Posted February 14, 2023 #141 Share Posted February 14, 2023 27 minutes ago, MoCruiseFan said: I highly disagree and it is simple logic. If you hold the drill at the exact place you are supposed to head to in a real emergency and go through the drill there, it is much more likely that folks will remember where to go as opposed to simply walking by and giving your name to some guy with a clipboard checking off names. It's not like we are talking much time anyway. Go to the assigned area, listen to the spiel, then go enjoy your cruise. that's the problem. You can't 'listen to the spiel' because you can't even hear the 'spiel'. Nor can you even see the 'demonstration'. If you can't see or hear the training then it does not increase safety. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare ontheweb Posted February 14, 2023 #142 Share Posted February 14, 2023 2 hours ago, RocketMan275 said: Obviously, Carnival and Royal Caribbean are willing to pay more to improve passenger safety through the emuster. Instead, NCL is willing to sacrifice passenger safety to save money. You have that exactly backwards! 🤣🤣🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare ontheweb Posted February 14, 2023 #143 Share Posted February 14, 2023 1 hour ago, RocketMan275 said: You have no facts to back up your assertions that inpersonmuster drills increase passenger safety over emuster drills. At least I can point to a credible source for my claims. Let's see. On one side we have someone who has spent years in a responsible position doing these drills. On the other side we have a "journalist who is dependent on money from the advertisers he is writing about. I know which one I find more credible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocketMan275 Posted February 14, 2023 #144 Share Posted February 14, 2023 17 minutes ago, ontheweb said: Let's see. On one side we have someone who has spent years in a responsible position doing these drills. On the other side we have a "journalist who is dependent on money from the advertisers he is writing about. I know which one I find more credible. One one side, we have The Points Guy who has every incentive to post the most accurate information. His credibility is on the line with each article he posts. On the other side we have ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted February 14, 2023 #145 Share Posted February 14, 2023 1 hour ago, ChiefMateJRK said: Yeah, I'm sure the safety "experts" are convinced that this made me safer despite my experience, but isn't that just how "experts" are? So, Underwriters Labs are just wrong? How about the IIHS? Consumer Products Safety Administration? National Fire Safety Council? Which experts do you believe and which don't you? Is it that those who make your life "uncomfortable" are not believable? 1 hour ago, ChiefMateJRK said: I did it on the Sky in January and it was not only a complete waste of my time, but somewhat unpleasant (packed in like rats, ordered where to stand, etc.). You'll notice I said the vast majority, not all. Question for you, was the drill better, the same, or worse than the in person drills pre-covid? Did you do an outdoor in person muster before covid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare PATRLR Posted February 14, 2023 #146 Share Posted February 14, 2023 2 hours ago, RocketMan275 said: At least I can point to a credible source for my claims. I must have missed this, who is this "credible source"? (Please don't point me to The Points Guy. TPG is about as credible as his current advertisers) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare PATRLR Posted February 14, 2023 #147 Share Posted February 14, 2023 1 hour ago, MoCruiseFan said: I don't recall anyone calling anyone else a moron. Calling the posts moronic doesn't allow you to skate on the reasonable implication that the moronic post was written by a moron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare wolft927 Posted February 14, 2023 #148 Share Posted February 14, 2023 16 minutes ago, PATRLR said: Calling the posts moronic doesn't allow you to skate on the reasonable implication that the moronic post was written by a moron. Ok quick question, is there anyone here that has been through SOLAS training? Anyone here work onboard a Cruise Ship or an ocean vessel with the same soles onboard? I understand everyone has opinions I’m just curious is there anyone with first hand experience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare ontheweb Posted February 14, 2023 #149 Share Posted February 14, 2023 51 minutes ago, RocketMan275 said: One one side, we have The Points Guy who has every incentive to post the most accurate information. His credibility is on the line with each article he posts. On the other side we have ... On one side we have someone experienced at conducting drills. On the other side, we have someone totally dependent for his income on his advertisers and is dependent on clicks. But of course everything you read on the internet is 100% true. 🤦♂️ Gee, the Points Guy said Carnival said the Coast Guard said. That is not even second hand information; it is third hand. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare PATRLR Posted February 14, 2023 #150 Share Posted February 14, 2023 5 minutes ago, wolft927 said: Ok quick question, is there anyone here that has been through SOLAS training? Anyone here work onboard a Cruise Ship or an ocean vessel with the same soles onboard? I understand everyone has opinions I’m just curious is there anyone with first hand experience Hmmm, calling @chengkp75 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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