Tipping

[SoloAlaska]

1 minute ago, ChiefMateJRK said:

🤣I'm right there with you, but for this el'cheapo:

 

pain from removing cash from wallet > pain from waiting an extra minute for that drink🤡

 

I know you're a mathy guy @RocketMan275, so you'll follow that. 😎

 

disclaimer: I'm actually quite ready, willing and able to float my fine bartender a couple greenbacks while saying with a smile "see ya' later friend."  We all have fun.  Nobody gets hurt.  The wallet will get over it.

My friend taught me a trick on my last cruise. Carry enough singles for max amount of drinks then 1 per drink till you’re out. So if you have a self imposed 10 drink limit in a day then carry 10x $1. My next cruise I’ll be using the trick for sure.

[ChiefMateJRK]

5 minutes ago, SoloAlaska said:

So if you have a self imposed 10 drink limit in a day

I have no idea what you're talking about here.

 

(🤣🤡🐀)

[SoloAlaska]

5 minutes ago, ChiefMateJRK said:

I have no idea what you're talking about here.

 

(🤣🤡🐀)

Haha more people should have self imposed limits maybe. Know your limits people and we can avoid black out drunk times etc. or for me avoid hangovers on those early morning hikes in Alaska.

[RocketMan275]

22 minutes ago, ChiefMateJRK said:

I have no idea what you're talking about here.

 

(🤣🤡🐀)

you need to set  this guy straight.  He's insisting steerage doesn't exist on NCL ships.

Post #105.

 

[ChiefMateJRK]

14 minutes ago, SoloAlaska said:

Haha more people should have self imposed limits maybe. Know your limits people and we can avoid black out drunk times etc. or for me avoid hangovers on those early morning hikes in Alaska.

Quite true.  If I had black outs or hangovers, I would certainly be working on my habits.  I enjoy my holiday, but I'm not about to make myself sick in the process. 😎  If others need to find mechanisms to limit themselves, more power to them!  There are all kinds of folks in this world.

 

As my Danish Grandfather used to say, "It takes all kinds and by-yeepers we've got 'em!"  (I don't believe that the Danish language includes what we would call the "J" sound).

[ChiefMateJRK]

3 minutes ago, RocketMan275 said:

you need to set  this guy straight.  He's insisting steerage doesn't exist on NCL ships.

Post #105.

 

🤣That dude will NOT be set straight!!  I think he could join in the fun but just doesn't really want to.

[complawyer]

well chief mate ole buddy, it appears that trying to set the guy straight is a waste of your time (and anyone else's) he just doesnt understand the analogy.  i know from your previous posts, you love steerage, and willl only come out for a tall cold one. 

 

cant say i blame you! (LOL)

[ChiefMateJRK]

24 minutes ago, complawyer said:

well chief mate ole buddy, it appears that trying to set the guy straight is a waste of your time (and anyone else's) he just doesnt understand the analogy.  i know from your previous posts, you love steerage, and willl only come out for a tall cold one. 

 

cant say i blame you! (LOL)

Well, to be more accurate, those of us in steerage are always out and about having fun.  We return to the steerage 🐀hole only for sleep, shower and 💩.  Saul good man!😎

[complawyer]

hey, chief!  the irony of this entire thing is you probably have much more fun when youre out and about from steerage, then i ever have, even if im in a suite or the haven. i guess im still a grumpy, antisocial miserable old man.

 

it's funny (at least to my way of thinking) that the only things i really care about are the particular ports.

 

i dont drink very much anymore, im happy at cagney's and le bistro, la cucina and moderno not so much. i dont mind the food in the MDR's , and during the course of my cruise, i dont mind visiting the buffet a few times. i find the assortment and selection of choices to be amazing.

by 10 p.m im ready to crawl back in my cabin and cuddle up with my kindle, while my wife makes friends with the casino. 

so, as much as i would enjoy having a drink (or 2 or 3) with you should we ever find ourselves on the same cruise, im afraid i would be a terrible disappointment to you.

 

plus i hope the other guy figures out what you mean by steerage!

[fshagan]

6 hours ago, SoloAlaska said:

The daily service charge I left as is.

 

That is all you need to do. There is no need or expectation to tip anything extra. 

[PartyPlannerLady]

On 1/14/2024 at 1:15 PM, RocketMan275 said:

A distinction without a difference.  

What do  you call a small amount given after each drink, a bribe or a tip?

What do you call a small amount given to the room steward on the second or third day, is that a bribe or a tip for services previously rendered?

 

Sad that you do not know the difference between a bribe and a tip.  They are tow very distinct things.

[PartyPlannerLady]

On 1/14/2024 at 3:31 PM, IAcruising said:

 

Thank you for your opinion, ridiculous as it may be when it comes to tipping.

 

 

It isn't an opinion.  Pay someone ahead of time is not a tip.  It is a bribe and, having worked several jobs where tipping is common, it is rather insulting.

[PartyPlannerLady]

On 1/14/2024 at 6:53 PM, luv2kroooz said:

That can only be determined by the person's intention. If you give it in appreciation for prior service, tip. If it is given with the hope of receiving something in the future, bribe.

 

Exactly

[RocketMan275]

On 1/14/2024 at 12:15 PM, RocketMan275 said:

A distinction without a difference.  

What do  you call a small amount given after each drink, a bribe or a tip?

What do you call a small amount given to the room steward on the second or third day, is that a bribe or a tip for services previously rendered?

 

9 minutes ago, PartyPlannerLady said:

 

Sad that you do not know the difference between a bribe and a tip.  They are tow very distinct things.

I'm always open to learning new things.  Please answer the questions I posed.

[luv2kroooz]

2 minutes ago, RocketMan275 said:

 

I'm always open to learning new things.  Please answer the questions I posed.

Question was answered previously. By way of reminder, "That can only be determined by the person's intention. If you give it in appreciation for prior service, tip. If it is given with the hope of receiving something in the future, bribe."

[RocketMan275]

1 minute ago, luv2kroooz said:

Question was answered previously. By way of reminder, "That can only be determined by the person's intention. If you give it in appreciation for prior service, tip. If it is given with the hope of receiving something in the future, bribe."

IOW, unless you're a mind reader, there's no viable way of knowing whether something given is a tip or a bribe.  Which means there's no reason to accuse anyone of bribery.

[luv2kroooz]

4 minutes ago, RocketMan275 said:

IOW, unless you're a mind reader, there's no viable way of knowing whether something given is a tip or a bribe.  Which means there's no reason to accuse anyone of bribery.

In this case, I can't help you. The question you asked has been answered.

Edited January 16 by luv2kroooz

[zqvol]

1 minute ago, luv2kroooz said:

In this case, I can't help you. The question you asked has been answered.

He doesn’t like the answer and is trying to twist things to fit his own narrative 

[RocketMan275]

29 minutes ago, luv2kroooz said:

In this case, I can't help you. The question you asked has been answered.

 

27 minutes ago, zqvol said:

He doesn’t like the answer and is trying to twist things to fit his own narrative 

An answer that requires a mind reader to decipher isn't an answer.

[seemoreroyals]

33 minutes ago, PartyPlannerLady said:

 

It isn't an opinion.  Pay someone ahead of time is not a tip.  It is a bribe and, having worked several jobs where tipping is common, it is rather insulting.

 

Except when it is a DSC.  The DSC came about as a replacement for tips.  When we started cruising 30 years ago we left envelopes for the cabin steward, the waiter, matre'd at the end of the cruise as a tip for services rendered. 

 

Not sure of the exact time when it started but NCL and others came up with the ingenious concept of the DSC.  It was meant at least in part to take the stress away from the tipping process.

 

They had to do something because cruises became more complex with the advent of drink packages, sit anywhere you want for dinner, specialty dinners, etc.   What they have did is fair IMO.   Most people really don't understand it.  Some feel they get bad service if they don't tip more. Or that the cabin steward is going to starve to death if they don't tip them an extra $50 at the end of the cruise.

 

The reality is that on a 7 day cruise once a cabin of 2 people pay their $20 per person DSC, their drink package 20%, and their specialty dinner gratuities, they are ponying up almost $700 for services rendered.  We have always for the most part had excellent service without feeling the need to tip more.  Should you tip more?  Up to you.  We do on occasion if the service rendered goes above and beyond. Regardless of where it is received.

[bkrickles1]

33 minutes ago, PartyPlannerLady said:

 

It isn't an opinion.  Pay someone ahead of time is not a tip.  It is a bribe and, having worked several jobs where tipping is common, it is rather insulting.

While I don't necessarily disagree with your take on the bribe/tip disagreement here, I do disagree that it would be considered insulting.

I've done the pre tip/bribe many, many times over the years on cruises and other places too. If it was truly insulting, I would have had at least one of these people give me back my money and tell me so. Nobody has given me back my money, nobody has said anything and everyone seemed happy to receive said money.

What's different about the cruise pre tip/bribe is that you are spending, typically, 7 days with the crew and early tips/bribes are a way to build a relationship with a crew member or members for that period of time. It's awesome being remembered and getting that smile and a little conversation when you see these people over the course of your sailing. I'm a big believer in doing this and it makes me and my family happy too. My adult daughter and other family members do it now too, because they saw me do it over the years.

Here's a question for you that I just thought of.

When I get to the pier, there's a porter there waiting to take my luggage. I always give the porter some money. This porter receives a salary or hourly wage and his/her job is to get luggage to a certain location. 

Is the money I'm giving this porter a tip or a bribe?

[complawyer]

do you tip the bell cap at the airport? I do. I always tip the porter at the pier when he takes our bags. he loads them, and schleps them to the ship making the procedure much easier than if i or my party had to do it. come on, can you honestly say it's not worth an extra $10?

 

i tip the concierge at any hotel where i am a guest if he/she assists me in any way during our stay

 

the tip (imho) is a thank you for the assistance, or in the case of entering a specialty restaurant on board a request for better service (ok, maybe you can call it a bribe) but now, and in many prior posts, i refer to this as the Vegas Handshake.

 

Remember, you get what you pay for, and imho, it's worth the few extra $$$ to upgrade your service/experience

 

and rocketman, i usually agree with most of your posts, but how can it be a bribe, if youre asking for their help in getting your luggage from the pier to the ship.

 

isnt that  the same as tipping someone helping with your bags after in the pick up area after the cruise.

 

especially in longer cruises, who wants to drag out pieces of luggage to a cab. when we travel with a friend, between the 3 of us there are always at least 3 large pieces, some smaller ones, and assorted bags.

 

it's well  worth it to me to give the guy 10-20 to load it up on a cart and wheel it out to the curt.,

 

news flash!! in no way can this be considered a bribe

[seemoreroyals]

What is interesting about tipping vs DSC is that the DSC has been around since at least 2002 according to a post I found on Cruise Critic from 2012 .  I googled "when did DSC replace tipping on cruise ships". The very first article I came to was a thread from cruise critic in 2012.  There were just as many diverse opinions as there are now.  The more things change the more they stay the same.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[danodiego]

Can you ask the bartender or server to add a tip? I hate having to carry cash. 

[Smitheroo]

On 1/11/2024 at 4:17 PM, herbanrenewal said:

I also consider the prepaid gratuities adequate. If someone does something over and above expected service at my request I will tip extra, but on most cruises in last couple years I have not tipped extra. I find that those in suites and Haven seem to be more likely to tip more, at least judging by comments here, but they probably expect more personal services than I expect (or receive)

I tip my room steward extra (usually $30 for  5 day cruise and $40 for a 7) just as a general thank you for doing the work they do.    Unless someone has a dining room steward they  request often it would be very hard as there are so many that attend to each table. There's the one that brings you to the table, then the one that pours the water, then the one that takes the order, then the one that brings the extra spoon, and on and on.  When my travel partner is with me (we have separate cabins) he tips throughout the cruise. I tip at the end.