Rare Globaler Posted March 14 #1 Share Posted March 14 (edited) How are points calculated at craps, 3 card poker and Let it Ride on Princess? Edited March 14 by Globaler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
memoak Posted March 14 #2 Share Posted March 14 It seems to be based on time played and average bet. So really pretty subjective Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Globaler Posted March 14 Author #3 Share Posted March 14 54 minutes ago, memoak said: It seems to be based on time played and average bet. So really pretty subjective Does getting more chips up front factor in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
memoak Posted March 14 #4 Share Posted March 14 47 minutes ago, Globaler said: Does getting more chips up front factor in? I do not think so because you could just cash them in at any time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Globaler Posted March 14 Author #5 Share Posted March 14 8 minutes ago, memoak said: I do not think so because you could just cash them in at any time. That’s what I thought but you never know as I have read a few posts that seem to think that it’s less than a set in stone process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwc13 Posted March 14 #6 Share Posted March 14 (edited) What matters is type of bets made, average amount bet, and time at the table actively playing. Buy in doesn't matter from the casino's perspective because it has no advantage until chips are actually bet. A player could buy in for $5,000 then pocket $4,500, take a break and cash in $4,500 chips and return to the table to buy in again. FWIW, I buy in on multiple occasions as a form of bankroll preservation and to document I was playing at given points in time. Craps is by far the most difficult game to evaluate because of the variety of bets (and the different associated house edge on each) and the player's ability to press/regress/turn off most of them during a roll. Edited March 14 by dwc13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Globaler Posted March 14 Author #7 Share Posted March 14 I agree with time. On a 16 day cruise is it an accumulation of the days or does the first week matter more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwc13 Posted March 15 #8 Share Posted March 15 40 minutes ago, Globaler said: I agree with time. On a 16 day cruise is it an accumulation of the days or does the first week matter more? In general, when you gamble during a cruise doesn't matter as far as earning points. Obviously, some table games supervisors are more competent / player-friendly when evaluating play. It's a good idea to verify your rated play at table games so any discrepancies can be addressed. It also depends on your objective. Is it free drinks while playing at the casino, a rewards program tier level, earning enough points for a limited time cruise specific casino promotion or something else? On my last cruise with Holland America (May 2023), we didn't buy a beverage package. Fortunately, the casino offered free drinks while gambling to those who had earned 1500 points during the cruise. In that situation earning 1500 points earlier was better so I could take advantage of the 'free' drinks sooner. Note that depending upon play / luck, it might be more economical to buy a beverage package in advance rather than trying to qualify for free drinks from the casino. If you're trying to get to the next tier of a cruise line casino rewards program, then it doesn't matter when you earn the points as long as the current annual period doesn't expire during your cruise. If the end date for the current annual period will occur during your cruise and you still need points to achieve the next tier, it might be better to get ahead of the curve and earn points earlier in the cruise. You know, just in case there are great entertainment options or an emergency happens and you're unable to gamble as often as you had planned. However, if you realize you won't be able to achieve the next tier during the soon-to-expire current annual period (during the cruise), then perhaps wait for the new annual period to begin before starting to gamble. For limited time cruise specific casino promotions, the applicable terms will dictate when and how many points you need to earn to qualify. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Globaler Posted March 15 Author #9 Share Posted March 15 4 minutes ago, dwc13 said: In general, when you gamble during a cruise doesn't matter as far as earning points. Obviously, some table games supervisors are more competent / player-friendly when evaluating play. It's a good idea to verify your rated play at table games so any discrepancies can be addressed. It also depends on your objective. Is it free drinks while playing at the casino, a rewards program tier level, earning enough points for a limited time cruise specific casino promotion or something else? On my last cruise with Holland America (May 2023), we didn't buy a beverage package. Fortunately, the casino offered free drinks while gambling to those who had earned 1500 points during the cruise. In that situation earning 1500 points earlier was better so I could take advantage of the 'free' drinks sooner. Note that depending upon play / luck, it might be more economical to buy a beverage package in advance rather than trying to qualify for free drinks from the casino. If you're trying to get to the next tier of a cruise line casino rewards program, then it doesn't matter when you earn the points as long as the current annual period doesn't expire during your cruise. If the end date for the current annual period will occur during your cruise and you still need points to achieve the next tier, it might be better to get ahead of the curve and earn points earlier in the cruise. You know, just in case there are great entertainment options or an emergency happens and you're unable to gamble as often as you had planned. However, if you realize you won't be able to achieve the next tier during the soon-to-expire current annual period (during the cruise), then perhaps wait for the new annual period to begin before starting to gamble. For limited time cruise specific casino promotions, the applicable terms will dictate when and how many points you need to earn to qualify. Thanks for the reply. I don’t Think Princess operates on an annual basis but i do think your suggestion to talk to the pit boss and see how I am being rated if nothing more then I care and hopefully get a favorable review. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emmak8 Posted April 3 #10 Share Posted April 3 How many points would be considered good for getting perks when the cruise is 14 days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Globaler Posted April 3 Author #11 Share Posted April 3 1 hour ago, emmak8 said: How many points would be considered good for getting perks when the cruise is 14 days? Google “the chill cruiser” he did a good report on Princess casino. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spunks Posted April 25 #12 Share Posted April 25 my issue with Princess ( and I have almost 700 nights on Princess) is that NOBODY associated with Princess can/will tell you what level points you need to accumulate to get anything comped. For years I went from Pit boss to casino host to casino manager to casino website to phoning the casino.....whew! I never got any kind of answer. Offers might come, but there was never any explanation as to why. We had a 27 day comped cruise with VIP booked that we cancelled because we thought it was a waste of our Casino dollars to spend on Princess. RCCL on the other hand publishes a list of what you will receive at every level of play. That list is posted right at the host desk and cashier cage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lakedweller64 Posted May 12 #13 Share Posted May 12 Just got off a 3 back to back cruises for a total of 35 days on the Volendam I averaged over 12k points a day. on the last night had to ask the casino host for a come back and sail offer? The offer was for 100 dollars in free play? What an insult. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AV8rix Posted May 31 #14 Share Posted May 31 (edited) On 4/25/2024 at 6:08 AM, spunks said: my issue with Princess ( and I have almost 700 nights on Princess) is that NOBODY associated with Princess can/will tell you what level points you need to accumulate to get anything comped. For years I went from Pit boss to casino host to casino manager to casino website to phoning the casino.....whew! I never got any kind of answer. Offers might come, but there was never any explanation as to why. We had a 27 day comped cruise with VIP booked that we cancelled because we thought it was a waste of our Casino dollars to spend on Princess. RCCL on the other hand publishes a list of what you will receive at every level of play. That list is posted right at the host desk and cashier cage. That's because Princess and HAL (my line) are operated by the Ocean Players Club, a subsidiary of CCL (Carnival corporate). NCL and their lines (Casinos at Sea) and RCCI and their lines (Casino Royale) corporate are transparent. I've never sailed on either of them but I have looked at their casino web sites. They openly list their tiers for anyone to see. Now go to the Ocean Players Club site. No such listings. Their tier structure is completely opaque. It's really aggravating! Doubly aggravating for me because I'm a blackjack player. Folks who play slots tell me that at least you can see your points being accrued when you access your casino account when you sit down to play a machine. Not so at the tables. Sorry about the late reply. I rarely look at the casino subforum. End of rant. Edited May 31 by AV8rix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare JGmf Posted June 1 #15 Share Posted June 1 Yes, NCL will show table points as they accrue. You can just scan your card on a machine to see. From Princess: nada on point accumulation. That said, while Princess is opaque with regard to 'tiers' and points, I get extremely better offers from Princess than NCL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redmomof4 Posted August 12 #16 Share Posted August 12 I find this whole points thing and casinos at sea so confusing. We gambled a little bit on last years cruise, didn’t accrue very many points when I checked. No biggie. Just got off the Pearl and gambled probably 10x as much as last years and didn’t think to check points on the last night (had checked a few days before and had double from our last cruise). Just called the NCL CAS number to see about pricing another cruise and the rep was like “it doesn’t look like you gambled much this cruise, maybe $150?” I said no, maybe 6-8x that much. How do you ensure your table play is rated appropriately? I like to play black jack, will occasionally do some slots but they are boring when no one is with me (husband is always playing blackjack) we literally sat in the casino for 2-6 hours each night and she said we only played $100 and $150 respectively. It’s entirely not true and so confusing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Globaler Posted August 13 Author #17 Share Posted August 13 4 hours ago, redmomof4 said: I find this whole points thing and casinos at sea so confusing. We gambled a little bit on last years cruise, didn’t accrue very many points when I checked. No biggie. Just got off the Pearl and gambled probably 10x as much as last years and didn’t think to check points on the last night (had checked a few days before and had double from our last cruise). Just called the NCL CAS number to see about pricing another cruise and the rep was like “it doesn’t look like you gambled much this cruise, maybe $150?” I said no, maybe 6-8x that much. How do you ensure your table play is rated appropriately? I like to play black jack, will occasionally do some slots but they are boring when no one is with me (husband is always playing blackjack) we literally sat in the casino for 2-6 hours each night and she said we only played $100 and $150 respectively. It’s entirely not true and so confusing I’ll let others weigh in also but I would suggest after a night or two talk to the pit boss and ask how your play is rating. I’ll admit the tables are very frustrating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffffffs Posted August 19 #18 Share Posted August 19 On 8/12/2024 at 4:00 PM, redmomof4 said: How do you ensure your table play is rated appropriately? If you want to get comps as a table player: Always buy-in for a good size amount when you get to a table (like $500) and bet at least $25/hand. It's not that the buy-in amount matters but you want the pit boss to take note of you. If you buy-in for $100 and play $10/hand they just don't care...even if you throw down another $100 when you lose (or worse, a few $20's), they don't consider you a player. Always color up your chips when you leave a table. It probably doesn't hurt to pocket a few higher denom. chips when no ones looking (particularly on cruise ships which seem to place a higher value on your win/loss value). Be realistic. The house edge in blackjack is around 2%. At $25/hand the house expects to make fifty cents. You might hope to get a nickel of that back as comps. It takes a lot of hours to get comps as a $25 bettor. Be friendly to the dealers and supervisors. A few tips never hurts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BirdTravels Posted August 25 #19 Share Posted August 25 On 3/14/2024 at 7:45 PM, Globaler said: I agree with time. On a 16 day cruise is it an accumulation of the days or does the first week matter more? Only if you are trying to attain a tier status that will get you something, like free drinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dallasdan Posted September 30 #20 Share Posted September 30 I don't have any proof but I think being nice to the dealers and being a frequent tipper seems to get me more points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaksPewPew Posted Saturday at 10:48 PM #21 Share Posted Saturday at 10:48 PM On 9/30/2024 at 5:35 PM, dallasdan said: I don't have any proof but I think being nice to the dealers and being a frequent tipper seems to get me more points. Inadvertently, it MAY. Table games are based on “Theo”. Or theoretical loss. This is what most casinos are now basing their comps on. What that is is… Your average bet amount x house edge x time played. That creates your “theoretical loss”. Casinos then discount that loss and give a portion of it back to you as comps. The pit bosses rate your play and how long you play. Being nice to them, they MAY round up your average bet and instead of reporting you as a “green” $25 a hand player, they may round it up to $50, etc. That would absolutely have an impact on comps. As far as the other questions here, the onboard host, ONLY HAS LIMITED CONTROL. They can dole out on board comps, up to what you are rated in the system as. THEY HAVE ZERO CONTROL OVER THE COME BACK AND SAIL OFFERS. All they do is upload your rated play to corporate, and corporate generates the offers that come under the door. Hope that helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaksPewPew Posted Saturday at 10:50 PM #22 Share Posted Saturday at 10:50 PM A great resource for Princess casino in particular is the YouTube channel, “cruising with mark”…. He pretty much lives 6 months out of the year on casino offers on princess. And yes, Buy in absolutely matters to getting attention. I would buy in at a minimum for $1,000 every night. It does not mean you have to use it, but you absolutely want to show it. And if you are a miles person…. You absolutely want to charge as much as you can. lol. Free miles/cash back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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