Carnival Cruise Line Not Planning to Order Smaller Ships

[notscb]

10 minutes ago, jimbo5544 said:

If Carnival was going to follow that lead, they would have done it 10 years ago (or more), but the other factors were not play then.

They are different yet you can't ignore industry trends, which was my point.

 

That's exactly what Carnival is doing with Celebration Key and also what they're doing by committing to their new version of a mega-ship that will (likely) visit their new island destination.

Carnival is doing exactly what Royal has been doing to keep as much money with them.

[notscb]

28 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

Thanks for the laugh!

Anytime I guess 🤷‍♀️

[jimbo5544]

Just now, notscb said:

They are different yet you can't ignore industry trends, which was my point.

 

That's exactly what Carnival is doing with Celebration Key and also what they're doing by committing to their new version of a mega-ship that will (likely) visit their new island destination.

Carnival is doing exactly what Royal has been doing to keep as much money with them.

No dog in the fight, but Carnival (corp) has had HMC before RCCL thought of a private island.  Carnival had more private islands  (GT, Amber Cove, HMC, Mahogany Bay) than RCCL for years.  If you want to count amusement parks on private islands I concede, and would not go anyways.  All that said, it is the trend, is it better for money?  Yup. Better for me?  Nope

[IntrepidFromDC]

On 7/27/2024 at 3:46 PM, BlerkOne said:

Why should Carnival try to retain those who need a bribe to stay? That just encourages more bad behavior.

 

 🍹😁🏴‍☠️ 

[BlerkOne]

8 minutes ago, notscb said:

They are different yet you can't ignore industry trends, which was my point.

 

That's exactly what Carnival is doing with Celebration Key and also what they're doing by committing to their new version of a mega-ship that will (likely) visit their new island destination.

Carnival is doing exactly what Royal has been doing to keep as much money with them.

Celebration Key has been under development for years, interrupted by Hurricane Dorian which mostly destroyed the island.

 

Outside of the Caribbean, and mostly the Bahamas, you won't find that many private islands. I think Caribbean cruises are still less than 50% of cruises.

 

Carnival has no interest in playing one upmanship with anyone, including Royal.

 

Carnival can't ignore economies of scale.

[notscb]

19 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

Carnival can't ignore economies of scale.

So now you want to actually discuss? Thanks for the laugh!*

Edited July 28 by notscb

[BlerkOne]

15 minutes ago, notscb said:

So now you want to actually discuss? Thanks for the laugh!*

Only if you agree with me. In which case there is nothing to discuss.

[jerseyjjs]

1 hour ago, notscb said:

Just curious- How is Royal irrelevant when Carnival is following their lead in step and when Royal is Carnival's direct competitor in the U.S.?

He approaches everything negative about Carnival as if it were a personal attack.  Pay no mind.

[jerseyjjs]

On 7/27/2024 at 3:46 PM, BlerkOne said:

The simple explanation is Royal likes to bribe repeat customers and Carnival prefers customers who prefer their brands. It really isn't hard to get to the highest loyalty level on Princess - in fact, it is easier that getting to Diamond on Carnival.

 

Why should Carnival try to retain those who need a bribe to stay? That just encourages more bad behavior.

 

 

 

 

As Carnival is basically handing out free cruises to bribe anyone who ventures into the casino.  You're the one here who posts the most lamentations about the casino offers.  Eats into your investments.

[BlerkOne]

19 minutes ago, jerseyjjs said:

 

 

As Carnival is basically handing out free cruises to bribe anyone who ventures into the casino.  You're the one here who posts the most lamentations about the casino offers.  Eats into your investments.

There are many in the casino who aren't on free cruises. Probably the majority on most cruises. Free cruises is one area in need of cutback.

[noslen3333]

I would like to know what the average cruiser's age is. I do think the percentage of seniors is high.I am 67 and have mobility issues so I stick with the smaller ships. I also find that it is easier to board and debark. Also, I can cruise when I want. I also believe there are many in the same "boat" as me. 

 

Many cruisers I have talked with all agree that they want the smaller ships. So I personally don't believe that bigger is better.

[jimbo5544]

27 minutes ago, noslen3333 said:

I would like to know what the average cruiser's age is. I do think the percentage of seniors is high.I am 67 and have mobility issues so I stick with the smaller ships. I also find that it is easier to board and debark. Also, I can cruise when I want. I also believe there are many in the same "boat" as me. 

 

Many cruisers I have talked with all agree that they want the smaller ships. So I personally don't believe that bigger is better.

You might be surprised on the average age of a Carnival cruiser.  

[DanJ]

7 hours ago, jimbo5544 said:

Johnny Rockets….don’t get me going on that.  I was with you till that….

Just using an example of a discount they give.

[DanJ]

8 hours ago, Theosprey247 said:

Can you imagine 8,000 people on HMC? Or 16,000 if two ships are docked? No thanks!

I'm sure HAL cruisers long for the day when it was 1300 people a day, coming off a HAL ship and not being "spoiled" by those low brow Carnival people lol

[notscb]

5 hours ago, jimbo5544 said:

You might be surprised on the average age of a Carnival cruiser.  

Skews 40+ easily (based on a few google sources), as do most cruise lines despite their marketing.

[jimbo5544]

7 hours ago, notscb said:

Skews 40+ easily (based on a few google sources), as do most cruise lines despite their marketing.

Pre covid it was north of 50, easily.  I am not sure what normal is anymore.  

[aborgman]

8 hours ago, notscb said:

Skews 40+ easily (based on a few google sources), as do most cruise lines despite their marketing.

 

It gets dragged down a bit by the non-paying children. Among adults, it skews pretty old

 

The largest segment is 55-64 year olds according to cruise industry marketing:

 

55-64: 19.1%
65+: 18.8%
45-54: 18.3%
25-34: 17.7%

35-44: 17.0%

18-24: 9.1%

 

Carnival Cruises actually skews youngest - they had the highest percentage of 18–24-year-olds driving traffic, at 16.35% vs. industry average at 9.1%

 

In general though - all the age groups other than 18-24 generate pretty similar levels of traffic.

 

[aborgman]

1 hour ago, jimbo5544 said:

Pre covid it was north of 50, easily.  I am not sure what normal is anymore.  

 

The last actual claim I saw pre-COVID was the average was down to 46, down from 49 in 2005.

 

 

[jimbo5544]

7 minutes ago, aborgman said:

 

The last actual claim I saw pre-COVID was the average was down to 46, down from 49 in 2005.

 

 

Not what I remember but it is history at any rate.  

[aborgman]

1 hour ago, jimbo5544 said:

Not what I remember but it is history at any rate.  

 

 

It's pretty strongly dependent on whether you consider all passengers, or you only include passengers over 18.

 

 

[jimbo5544]

1 hour ago, aborgman said:

 

 

It's pretty strongly dependent on whether you consider all passengers, or you only include passengers over 18.

 

 

that makes total sense

 

[BlerkOne]

On 7/26/2024 at 9:53 AM, longhorn2004 said:

Well, this puts this subject to rest. Carnival makes more money on the larger ships. IMO, new cruisers want larger ships.

 

https://www.cruisehive.com/carnival-cruise-line-not-planning-on-ordering-smaller-ships/140220

 

With that stated, things do change. At one time, Carnival said that it would not chase Royal and make a ship as large as Oasis. And we know how that turned out.

Actually JH's opinion was Carnival won't build another Spirit class ship, and why would they? There is nothing that says Carnival won't order smaller ships in the future, once the 5 announced builds are completed. 

 

Carnival isn't chasing anyone.

[elcuchio24]

good. Makes financial sense

 

[elcuchio24]

On 7/29/2024 at 8:14 AM, aborgman said:

 

It gets dragged down a bit by the non-paying children. Among adults, it skews pretty old

 

The largest segment is 55-64 year olds according to cruise industry marketing:

 

55-64: 19.1%
65+: 18.8%
45-54: 18.3%
25-34: 17.7%

35-44: 17.0%

18-24: 9.1%

 

Carnival Cruises actually skews youngest - they had the highest percentage of 18–24-year-olds driving traffic, at 16.35% vs. industry average at 9.1%

 

In general though - all the age groups other than 18-24 generate pretty similar levels of traffic.

 

 

I think that demographic will change with time as many 30-40-50 year olds who cruise with their kids.....if they kids love it as much as we do, and continue to want to cruise, hit those younger tiers, the runway for 'new' adult cruisers will increase.

[elcuchio24]

On 7/28/2024 at 5:55 PM, noslen3333 said:

I would like to know what the average cruiser's age is. I do think the percentage of seniors is high.I am 67 and have mobility issues so I stick with the smaller ships. I also find that it is easier to board and debark. Also, I can cruise when I want. I also believe there are many in the same "boat" as me. 

 

Many cruisers I have talked with all agree that they want the smaller ships. So I personally don't believe that bigger is better.

 

It's younger than you think, and just going to get younger.