formal night attire

[sultan_sfo]

But you could not resist posting again! See it "is" fun, isn't it!

 

Are you freaking kidding me???? This is like watching summer TV. There's nothing new or interesting. Same cast, same dialog. signing off...

[janotay]

But you could not resist posting again! See it "is" fun, isn't it!

 

Absolutely! It is a rather guilty pleasure however! But I will never resort to name calling or personal attacks. As hum softly...Somewhere over the rainbow....;)

[rbacardi]

No - it will probably be full - I know we will be there as well as 99% of the other passengers who read the "answer book" and conform.

 

Ron

 

 

I didn't realize they had a table for that many people ...

[bdjam]

Maybe you and Pam should get a table together and check out everyone in the dining room each night and make a list of those who are naughty and those who are nice !!! At the end of the evening, the only ones who are p***ed off by those who don't conform to your standards are yourselves. Gimme a break !!

The dress standards are set forth by the cruise line, not by me, and people who can't conform to them are making a statement about themselves - whether or not that statement pisses me off is another discussion.

If you're ^^^ ^^^^ arrows are pointing to me, then I'll let you know that I've ALWAYS dressed appropriately, shirt-tie-jacket for ALL formal nights. I have NO problem with that and actually enjoy this aspect of cruising. I do have a problem with those on these boards who appear "mighter than though". I've said before that there are those who may dress "a little" less formal than others and I have NO PROBLEM with that. I wouldn't expect to see jeans and a tee shirt on a formal night, but if someone isn't exactly up to the tuxedo or jacket thing, who cares?? Perhaps we are all not as high class as others !! Again, there will be those who post about following the guidelines to perfection, and there will be those like me who are a little less forgiving !!

Do you mean "mightier than thou?" I find it facinating that there are people who say they gladly conform to the dress guidelines but then goad others into breaking them. And where do you draw the line at "a little less formal?" What is "a little" less formal to you may be perfectly accepable to me. That's why the guidelines are in place - so that "a little" isn't left to interpretation. I do find it interesting that you have minimum standards that you would not expect to see ignored - that means that you're right in the same ball park as Pam and I. If someone isn't up to wearing a tux or dark suit, why shouldn't they just wear shorts and tank tops?

[coiran]

WOW!!! It appears we have drew some Trolls out of the woodwork.

Ron

[rbacardi]

The dress standards are set forth by the cruise line, not by me, and people who can't conform to them are making a statement about themselves - whether or not that statement pisses me off is another discussion.

 

Do you mean "mightier than thou?" I find it facinating that there are people who say they gladly conform to the dress guidelines but then goad others into breaking them. And where do you draw the line at "a little less formal?" What is "a little" less formal to you may be perfectly accepable to me. That's why the guidelines are in place - so that "a little" isn't left to interpretation. I do find it interesting that you have minimum standards that you would not expect to see ignored - that means that you're right in the same ball park as Pam and I. If someone isn't up to wearing a tux or dark suit, why shouldn't they just wear shorts and tank tops?

 

 

Yes I meant thou, and I'm not goading (sp) anyone into breaking the dress guidelines. And YES, I'm in the same ballpark as Pam and yourself. My point is and has always been that I personally don't mind if someone dresses a "little" less then what some may expect. By this I mean if a man wishes to not wear a jacket or tie on formal night it will in no way bother me during my dining experience. I am there to eat and enjoy the dinner with my family/friends. My point is that I don't understand why some on these boards always revert to the "official" Princess recommendations (remember only GUIDELINES) and just realize that we are all on the cruise for the same reason, TO HAVE FUN and not worry about the small things such as dress.

[bdjam]

My point is that I don't understand why some on these boards always revert to the "official" Princess recommendations (remember only GUIDELINES) and just realize that we are all on the cruise for the same reason, TO HAVE FUN and not worry about the small things such as dress.

Thanks for explaining your point - it's so much easier to have a civil conversation. I realize - per another of your posts - that you're not looking to make friends, least of all with me, but it's difficult to be logical when school yard games are involved.

 

Right - the official Princess recommendations are in place so that a certain standard is upheld. Otherwise there is no standard. Having fun to some people means a formal evening repleate with appropriate dress. Princess provides alternatives for fun if a passenger isn't interested. Other cruise lines offer alternatives to formal nights on board as well. So we can all have our fun without encroaching on each other. When someone walks in the dining room ignoring dress guidelines that are published and available before any money is spent on a cruise - especially when they think it a sport to get away with it - then they are spoiling the fun of those who are looking for a formal evening and purchased their cruise expecting one. The anti-formal group doesn't seem to be bothered about fun being spoiled unless it's their fun that's affected.

[rcacace]

The master of misinformation has found a play buddy. How nice for you.

 

I see Ethel has returned to let all know how to dress properly.

Please tell us all as we wouldn't want to offend anyone in the dr & ruin their enjoyment of the meal.

[usha]

Right - the official Princess recommendations are in place so that a certain standard is upheld. Otherwise there is no standard. Having fun to some people means a formal evening repleate with appropriate dress. Princess provides alternatives for fun if a passenger isn't interested. Other cruise lines offer alternatives to formal nights on board as well. So we can all have our fun without encroaching on each other. When someone walks in the dining room ignoring dress guidelines that are published and available before any money is spent on a cruise - especially when they think it a sport to get away with it - then they are spoiling the fun of those who are looking for a formal evening and purchased their cruise expecting one. The anti-formal group doesn't seem to be bothered about fun being spoiled unless it's their fun that's affected.

*usha says "AMEN, AMEN, AMEN!"*:)

[rbacardi]

Thanks for explaining your point - it's so much easier to have a civil conversation. I realize - per another of your posts - that you're not looking to make friends, least of all with me, but it's difficult to be logical when school yard games are involved.

 

Right - the official Princess recommendations are in place so that a certain standard is upheld. Otherwise there is no standard. Having fun to some people means a formal evening repleate with appropriate dress. Princess provides alternatives for fun if a passenger isn't interested. Other cruise lines offer alternatives to formal nights on board as well. So we can all have our fun without encroaching on each other. When someone walks in the dining room ignoring dress guidelines that are published and available before any money is spent on a cruise - especially when they think it a sport to get away with it - then they are spoiling the fun of those who are looking for a formal evening and purchased their cruise expecting one. The anti-formal group doesn't seem to be bothered about fun being spoiled unless it's their fun that's affected.

 

Hopefully we can agree to disagree. I've looked at the past post you mentioned and this really looks like another "Groundhog Day" thread. Same posters on each side of this issue. I guess I feel like an advocate for those who ask this almost seemingly daily question of dress. I don't condone wearing "less" then what Princess recommends. However, I am not going to think less of any person who put's forth an effort to dress as they feel comfortable. And again, I'm not going to let ANYONE who doesn't dress to certain standards ruin my dining experience. I will certainly do as I always have and dress as I feel comfortable, wearing a jacket and tie. I am curious though to how everyone feels. I get the strange feeling that most of those who post here that are "strict" with the dress code are a bit older.(If so, don't take things the wrong way !!) I'm part of the under-40 crowd, with kids, who can appreciate alot. I would like to see all cruisers take things in stride and to remember what's really important, it's vacation- have a good time.

[wizard-of-roz]

I am not planning on packing formal clothes or eating in the formal dining rooms on the formal nights. Would I feel awkward being dressed casually during the remainder of the evening (shows, casino, etc) or do other people change into casual clothes after dinner. thank you

Sara

 

Honestly, the only time I get bothered by the "dress code" is when it is a formal evening....and someone comes into the showroom in a pair of "sloppy" shorts and a tank-top! Actually, that bothers me, even on a casual night!

They just look so sloppy!!!!!

"Shlubs" can be found in any venue......My most favorite look is when the hairiest man walks in, in his tank top, plops down on a seat and then raises his arm and wraps it around the seat next to him.....yuck!!!!! :mad: "Gorillas In The Mist!" Save this look for the one you love! :eek:

What is so hard about putting on a casual shirt with a pair of dockers? Or, even a pair of jeans and go eat in the buffet.

[cleavesteam]

Yes I meant thou, and I'm not goading (sp) anyone into breaking the dress guidelines. And YES, I'm in the same ballpark as Pam and yourself. My point is and has always been that I personally don't mind if someone dresses a "little" less then what some may expect. By this I mean if a man wishes to not wear a jacket or tie on formal night it will in no way bother me during my dining experience. I am there to eat and enjoy the dinner with my family/friends. My point is that I don't understand why some on these boards always revert to the "official" Princess recommendations (remember only GUIDELINES) and just realize that we are all on the cruise for the same reason, TO HAVE FUN and not worry about the small things such as dress.

Somehow I just knew this thread would bring out the the same fashion trools as it always does. :D

[rbacardi]

Somehow I just knew this thread would bring out the the same fashion trools as it always does. :D

 

 

Do you mean "the same fashion trolls" ?

 

I've stated my point as to not to try to offend anyone.

 

I see that no matter what, each time this topic of thread is started it will turn UGLY and will ALWAYS WIND UP THE SAME WAY !!

[rcacace]

I am not planning on packing formal clothes or eating in the formal dining rooms on the formal nights. Would I feel awkward being dressed casually during the remainder of the evening (shows, casino, etc) or do other people change into casual clothes after dinner. thank you

Sara

 

Of course you can dress as casual as you want for the casino & shows. Aside from wearing a bathing suit in the show lounge there are no restrictions. Many people change after a formal dinner to get relaxed & enjoy the show without having to sit there in a suit or evening dress. Although there are many who stick to old ways the days of Princess requesting everyone to remain in formal attire are long gone.

[Pam in CA]

Maybe you and Pam should get a table together and check out everyone in the dining room each night and make a list of those who are naughty and those who are nice !!! At the end of the evening, the only ones who are p***ed off by those who don't conform to your standards are yourselves. Gimme a break !!

First, I would be honored to share a table with "bdjam" as I find him a very interesting person who I'd like to get to know better. Donna... you too. :) On the other hand, at no time have I ever tried to "enforce" my standards on anyone else. Someone new has posted and asked a question, which I answered as informatively as I could, based on my experience, including the cruiseline's "code" -- their language, not mine. I'm not p***ed off by anyone when I see someone not dressed according to the cruiseline's request nor does it offend or bother me. What does offend and bother me are people who tell new cruisers to forget the cruiseline's request, it's their vacation and do what they want. I'd rather someone be educated and make their own informed decision. I tried to be balanced in my post, even including a link to a lightweight jacket of the kind my BIL wears. No, it's not a tux and yes, it's pretty informal but what the heck, he looks good AND conforms to the cruiseline's request.

 

My point is that I don't understand why some on these boards always revert to the "official" Princess recommendations (remember only GUIDELINES) and just realize that we are all on the cruise for the same reason, TO HAVE FUN and not worry about the small things such as dress.

Because they ARE the official Princess recommendations and request, which most respect. As I mentioned above, I don't think it's appropriate for someone to tell someone else to disrespect the ship's request to abide by the dress code. Maybe I'm just old and grumpy but I was brought up to respect others, no matter who they are or what they are wearing. If someone asks me to respect a request, not-so-little old me does so. Out of respect.

[rbacardi]

First, I would be honored to share a table with "bdjam" as I find him a very interesting person who I'd like to get to know better. Donna... you too. :) On the other hand, at no time have I ever tried to "enforce" my standards on anyone else. Someone new has posted and asked a question, which I answered as informatively as I could, based on my experience, including the cruiseline's "code" -- their language, not mine. I'm not p***ed off by anyone when I see someone not dressed according to the cruiseline's request nor does it offend or bother me. What does offend and bother me are people who tell new cruisers to forget the cruiseline's request, it's their vacation and do what they want. I'd rather someone be educated and make their own informed decision. I tried to be balanced in my post, even including a link to a lightweight jacket of the kind my BIL wears. No, it's not a tux and yes, it's pretty informal but what the heck, he looks good AND conforms to the cruiseline's request.

 

Because they ARE the official Princess recommendations and request, which most respect. As I mentioned above, I don't think it's appropriate for someone to tell someone else to disrespect the ship's request to abide by the dress code. Maybe I'm just old and grumpy but I was brought up to respect others, no matter who they are or what they are wearing. If someone asks me to respect a request, not-so-little old me does so. Out of respect.

 

 

#1- I've never told anyone to disrespect the ship's request to abide by the dress code. If you find a post stating otherwise, please post it.

 

#2- As stated in an earlier post, I am somewhat on the same page as you. I guess we differ in that I'm a little more relaxed with what others are wearing than you.

 

Point of the matter is that each time this type of thread starts, it's going to end the same way. Some say stick with the old fashioned way of formal dining and others say that they can be OK with some who dress a little down. Again, jeans and tee shirts on formal nights are a no no. If I see someone enter the dining room without a jacket, I wouldn't think less of them.

 

I respect what you are telling the first time posters concerning this, but I'd hate to see them think that the cruise book is the gospel. It's simply a recommendation which most will follow. For those who don't follow to the letter of the law, so be it. Sometimes close is good enough.

[Pam in CA]

Point of the matter is that each time this type of thread starts, it's going to end the same way. Some say stick with the old fashioned way of formal dining and others say that they can be OK with some who dress a little down. Again, jeans and tee shirts on formal nights are a no no. If I see someone enter the dining room without a jacket, I wouldn't think less of the.

 

I respect what you are telling the first time posters concerning this, but I'd hate to see them think that the cruise book is the gospel. It's simply a recommendation which most will follow. For those who don't follow to the letter of the law, so be it. Sometimes close is good enough.

I apologize and didn't mean to single you out; your posts were ones I wanted to responded to. :( I don't think any of us, including yourself, are saying that you have to stick with the old-fashioned way of formal dining; we're just suggesting that one first know what the cruiseline request is and that most passengers respect that request. If the cruiseline's request is "old-fashioned," that's probably true but unless and until the cruiseline changes their request, that's what's in all of their information and documentation. My point is that people should make their own decision based on collecting information and reported experience by previous passengers and I appreciate posters who ask the question before sailing. Again, I apologize; I didn't mean to knock you or disagree with you.

[ajj0624]

Thanks to everyone for your input on my post. I didn't mean to cause such chaos between people but i truly needed to know. I am brand new to cruising and this was my first post. i didn't understand that you could search the boards from the home page for questions/posts previously..sorry! i do have another question but should i make a new thread or just ask on this post about menus. i want to do what is right!

[Solara]

What does offend and bother me are people who tell new cruisers to forget the cruiseline's request, it's their vacation and do what they want. I'd rather someone be educated and make their own informed decision.

That is where the problem is with those new to cruising. Cruising is a special kind of vacation and the new cruisers should know that and dress accordingly. Be educated before you book and make sure it's the kind of vacation you want. It's not a Caribbean vacation only it's a CRUISE! Part of the whole cruising experience is dressing up. Unfortunately those new to cruising just don't understand that. Pam I agree with you, cruisers should respect the crusieline's requests for dressing.

 

One final point is that your husband will feel uncomfortable with all the others in Tuxedos and suits. You should really explain to him what cruising is all about. Show him the cruise guidelines from Princess.

[Ethel5]

I see Ethel has returned to let all know how to dress properly.

Please tell us all as we wouldn't want to offend anyone in the dr & ruin their enjoyment of the meal.

 

I didn't ever say it would ruin my meal-after all I will be sitting with Pam and BJDAM. What I find objectionable to your posts is that it misleads newcomers into thinking that slovenly dress and doing whatever they wish is acceptable. The majority of your posts encourage people to do their own thing even when the possibility exists that doing so may cause them grief.

[Ethel5]

First, I would be honored to share a table with "bdjam" as I find him a very interesting person who I'd like to get to know better. Donna... you too. :) On the other hand, at no time have I ever tried to "enforce" my standards on anyone else. Someone new has posted and asked a question, which I answered as informatively as I could, based on my experience, including the cruiseline's "code" -- their language, not mine. I'm not p***ed off by anyone when I see someone not dressed according to the cruiseline's request nor does it offend or bother me. What does offend and bother me are people who tell new cruisers to forget the cruiseline's request, it's their vacation and do what they want. I'd rather someone be educated and make their own informed decision. I tried to be balanced in my post, even including a link to a lightweight jacket of the kind my BIL wears. No, it's not a tux and yes, it's pretty informal but what the heck, he looks good AND conforms to the cruiseline's request.

 

Because they ARE the official Princess recommendations and request, which most respect. As I mentioned above, I don't think it's appropriate for someone to tell someone else to disrespect the ship's request to abide by the dress code. Maybe I'm just old and grumpy but I was brought up to respect others, no matter who they are or what they are wearing. If someone asks me to respect a request, not-so-little old me does so. Out of respect.

 

I agree 1000% Now when are we all cruising together? :) :) :)

[Pam in CA]

I agree 1000% Now when are we all cruising together? :) :) :)

We'll have to get serious and work something out. :) We're both busy over the next year or so but I bet there's something out there.

[e71465]

Thanks to everyone for your input on my post. I didn't mean to cause such chaos between people but i truly needed to know. I am brand new to cruising and this was my first post. i didn't understand that you could search the boards from the home page for questions/posts previously..sorry! i do have another question but should i make a new thread or just ask on this post about menus. i want to do what is right!

 

Oh... No fear... You didn't cause chaos! Some people always jump others on this topic! It's not the first time and it won't be the last! I honestly think some people on here get some sick pleasure out of causing chaos! Maybe it's the only power they have in life? :confused:

[bdjam]

Hopefully we can agree to disagree. I've looked at the past post you mentioned and this really looks like another "Groundhog Day" thread. Same posters on each side of this issue. I guess I feel like an advocate for those who ask this almost seemingly daily question of dress. I don't condone wearing "less" then what Princess recommends. However, I am not going to think less of any person who put's forth an effort to dress as they feel comfortable. And again, I'm not going to let ANYONE who doesn't dress to certain standards ruin my dining experience. I will certainly do as I always have and dress as I feel comfortable, wearing a jacket and tie. I am curious though to how everyone feels. I get the strange feeling that most of those who post here that are "strict" with the dress code are a bit older.(If so, don't take things the wrong way !!) I'm part of the under-40 crowd, with kids, who can appreciate alot. I would like to see all cruisers take things in stride and to remember what's really important, it's vacation- have a good time.

It is refreshing to see rational posts around the issue. Yes, it is polarizing and the same argument is repeated. I'm not sure why you feel that you must advocate for less than appropriate dress, however when an objective answer can always be given - check the Princess publications and make a decision based on the information presented there. I don't agree that age has anything to do with the issue as I've seen many people of younger age dress appropriate and have a good time with it. It has to do with the type of "good time" one wants to have. It's not fair to encroach on other's by deed or by suggestion.

That is where the problem is with those new to cruising. Cruising is a special kind of vacation and the new cruisers should know that and dress accordingly. Be educated before you book and make sure it's the kind of vacation you want. It's not a Caribbean vacation only it's a CRUISE! Part of the whole cruising experience is dressing up. Unfortunately those new to cruising just don't understand that.

Great point....

I didn't ever say it would ruin my meal-after all I will be sitting with Pam and BJDAM. What I find objectionable to your posts is that it misleads newcomers into thinking that slovenly dress and doing whatever they wish is acceptable. The majority of your posts encourage people to do their own thing even when the possibility exists that doing so may cause them grief.

Don't forget Corain. And thanks, Pam, for the complement - I'm sure we'd have some great conversation.

[cleavesteam]

Thanks to everyone for your input on my post. I didn't mean to cause such chaos between people but i truly needed to know. I am brand new to cruising and this was my first post. i didn't understand that you could search the boards from the home page for questions/posts previously..sorry! i do have another question but should i make a new thread or just ask on this post about menus. i want to do what is right!

I would make another post. I can guarantee that you won't see the same petty arguments that you see on this thread.

 

The whole point of the cruise is to enjoy yourself. And hopefully this hasn't turned you off of cruising.