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Was not really thinking of the driver, not sure it matters, but cannot disagree.

Maybe that is why they dumped him. That said, he def left his mark on the industry with Carnival.

It will be interesting to see what happens.

I answered my thoughts on the 20 years, we can disagree with that (for someone who does nit care about RCCL new builds, you seem pretty focused on them). The facts are Carnival chose (an active decision on their part) not to play in the mega liner race till now. Micky seems fine with their path (he was def behind them not doing it) and his worth of almost 8 bill and the Chairman of the Board for the largest cruise company in the world must carry a little more weight than your view….maybe give him a call and tell him how stupid he is. I am not sure they would be in a better position financially, in fact if they were in hock for 3 or 4 ships when covid hit, they probably would not be around (at least in their current form) today. Again, just my view.

In totality (all threads), more like 200 pages.

Just in historical retrospect, but true enough.

Pretty easy answer, at least from my viewpoint. 20 years ago, ships were not the destination. Carnival decided not to follow the lead (they never really ever followed RCCL by nature), RCCL was paying way more for their mega ships and the return was obviously not there for Carnival. The Excel class is/was a perfect for the next generation of Carnival ships (personally, from my take they could have made 8 more Vista class an I would have been overjoyed….but they did not ask me 😏). Covid, altered life for everyone and for the cruise industry as well, and especially Carnival Corp. With their significant pause for the debt structure payoff, revenue generation needs changed, the ships as the destination increased (partly due to covid residual affects), and the investment for private islands/resorts exploded. Just my view, but did not require a ton of thought and fits perfectly with all of their press and marketing over the time.

I do not know. That said, it cuts against every single move they have done for 30 years. Makes more sense than anything else I have read or seen.

All based on a discussion. We do not know. It certainly is not going to be 90K

ummmmmm no

Does shorter mean smaller?

1.) Carnival chose not to play in the mega liner, 20 years ago was 20 years ago, totally different time, totally different reasons 2.) Discovery is a concept, nothing more 3.) We have no idea what Discovery class will ever happen. 4.) IF and WHEN they build it, we have no idea the size, how many people, or the profitability, pretty much no idea of anything. 5.) Clearly we know factually (unlike everything else mentioned) that larger ships are more profitable. 6.) Carnival has gotten bashed for years for not going big, and now they do they get bashed, gotta love Cruisecritic. How any of that has anything to do with what Carnival does escapes me.

If that floats your boat…..yup

Options are a good thing.

I believe the government should balance a budget also, but it will never happen. Absolutes are……absolute, almost by definition they are unattainable. That said, I agree with your logic, but you and I know it will never happen.

The rarely busy part sounds like part of the reason why it is not here.

I would bet the ranch that RCCL will NEVER build a 90K ship

They may want to go thru it to ensure it is all soda....

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Michael?

That was because of start up and all that built up obc from all those cancelled cruises (we had 13). The real point is that Carnival corp was 35+ billion in the hole due to covid (none of their own doing). They get a LOT of slack from me for that. Your opinion may vary.

I agree with much of what you said. That said, I would counter that there is still significant demand for just the opposite. I think Carnival has recognized that we well.

The prices are off the charts.

Actually a lot of facts in the post. In terms of building ships, the poster is right on. Carnival does choose to not build opulent ships (and in Icon case, ugly ships). The facts are, that Carnival pricing is actually on average higher right now (excluding the extreme over the top pricing for Icon). Discovery class assuming it comes to fruition (RCCL just offered 1.5 billion in new restructure notes, so who knows), is rumored to be shorter, not necessarily (at least to other cruise lines not focused on each new ship being the largest in the world) smaller.

They are on the Mardi Gras and Celebration. Meh.. would be my response.