Questions for the Craps players!

[itzkelly]

I have been reading through all the threads on craps, and have even purchased a book in order to get my craps skills sharpened. As an admitted 'newbie' to the craps game, I have a few questions I would love your input on: :)

 

1. Do you play odds on every pass number you get (ie. the point is 4/5/6/8/9/10) - do you add odd to ALL of these on the pass line? OR, do you play different amt of odds based on the point number?

 

2. On the come line, almost same question - when you get any of the points (4/5/6/8/9/10), do you automatically add odds or is it more for the 6 or 8 (minus whatever number the pass point is)?

 

3. Can you better explain what a 'vig' is? I'm assuming if the house wants to have the roller pay a commission, then the odds are better...what is this for?

 

4. How many 'come' bets do you add while the pass bet is still in play? Will you continue to add a come bet if the 6 and 8 are still open? Do you have a max (ie. only 2 or 3 come bets regardless of the number they fall on)? Is there a point where too many come bets lowers the odds for yourself altogether?

 

I am sure I have a bunch more questions, but these are the ones I am stuck on for now...thanks so much for your help!

 

Kelly :)

[Casino Player]

I have been reading through all the threads on craps, and have even purchased a book in order to get my craps skills sharpened. As an admitted 'newbie' to the craps game, I have a few questions I would love your input on: :)

 

1. Do you play odds on every pass number you get (ie. the point is 4/5/6/8/9/10) - do you add odd to ALL of these on the pass line? OR, do you play different amt of odds based on the point number?

 

2. On the come line, almost same question - when you get any of the points (4/5/6/8/9/10), do you automatically add odds or is it more for the 6 or 8 (minus whatever number the pass point is)?

 

3. Can you better explain what a 'vig' is? I'm assuming if the house wants to have the roller pay a commission, then the odds are better...what is this for?

 

4. How many 'come' bets do you add while the pass bet is still in play? Will you continue to add a come bet if the 6 and 8 are still open? Do you have a max (ie. only 2 or 3 come bets regardless of the number they fall on)? Is there a point where too many come bets lowers the odds for yourself altogether?

 

I am sure I have a bunch more questions, but these are the ones I am stuck on for now...thanks so much for your help!

 

Kelly :)

 

HHHHHEEEEELLLLLLLLLLOOOOO itzkelly: I will try to answer your questions. First, I have been playing craps for about 20 years now.

1. Play odds on the Pass Line bet. Reason, it is the bet that gives the house no advantage at all. Always take odds to the fullest amount you can if your bankroll permits it. You can only have one Pass Line bet at one time.

2. The Come area. The Come bet is the most misunderstood bet in Craps. A Come bet is a Pass Line bet after a point has been established. If a seven or yo-eleven is rolled then you win your Come bet. Even as your Pass Line bet loses. Once you are on Come and the shooter rolls a 4,5,6,8,9,10 that becomes your point. You could take odds on that bet. Just drop the amount on the table and in an audible mumble tell the dealer you want odds on your Come bet. Odds are the same as Pass Line and depends on the rules of the Casino.

3. The "vig." The vig is used when you buy a number. It is a commission. It gives you true odds on the number you buy. The only numbers it makes sense to buy are the 4 or 10 since they pay on true odds at 2-1. Buy bets are made in multiples of $20. Most Casinos will let you make a buy bet for $25 for the same $1 commission. It is in your best interest when making a buy bet to buy for $25. Return is $50.

4. You can make as many Come bets as your bankroll and betting style can handle. What I used to do is to make a Pass Line bet. Take full odds. Then make two Come bets also with full odds. After my Pass Line/Come bets hit five times I have one Pass Line and 4 Come bets working. Then after they hit another five times I have 5 Come bets and the Pass Line bet working. It doesn't matter how many Come bets you have working. The odds for each number hitting are the same from roll to roll.

Since you are a begining player let me give you my advice. Start slowly. Don't be in a hurry to make a bet. You should even watch the action for a while and get used to the flow of the game. Then make a Pass Line bet. Then when you feel comfortable make a Come bet and track your numbers. Then get two Come bets and a Pass Line bet working. Always know what numbers you are on.

Also, know your odds for each number and the payout for a typical bet you make.

[sailor_jimc]

Casino Player- Your advice is good and nicely written until you started discussing come bets. I understood what you were saying but for a new comer, the part about making 1 passline bet and 2 come bets and then waiting until your bets hit 5 times so you have 4 come bets etc etc ... is a bit confusing.

 

I think you meant that you start with a pass line bet (with odds) then once that bet is established, place a come bet and then place full odds on it and then make one more come bet (again with full odds) so that after they are all working, you have 3 points covered with bets. THEN after you win 4 or 5 of those bets then you play more come bets so you have 4 numbers with bets. At least that is how I read that. That's pretty much what I do, but I thought I would point out that this can be considered an aggressive betting method (meaning you have a lot of money at risk at a given time but also stand to gain the fastest).

 

For a new player, I would advise sticking to one pass line bet with odds and then a couple of place bets (6 and 8) until you understand what is going on better AND you build up some winnings. Nothing makes a new player turn away from craps faster then going to a table for the first time and losing $200 bucks in a couple of rolls... craps can be an expensive game to play but it does give you the best odds of winning money.

 

Now I realize that place bets don't pay as well as odds bets, but you can play them for far less money AND the number only has to hit once to get paid on them AND they survive through a come out roll 7 should a shooter make his point and the new roll hits a 7.

 

Oh, and one last point you should make about come bets... nothing is sweeter than making a come bet and have the same number rolled a couple times in a row. You get paid for your established bet and don't have to put out additional money for the odds as long as you have the next come bet our there. ex. come bet made, roll is a 5, you place odds on the come bet on 5 and put your next come bet out looking for the 3rd point, but 5 is rolled 2 or 3 times in a row. Each time your original come bet's "winnings" is given to you but you don't have to put any more money at risk.... those are the best rolls ...

[itzkelly]

Thank you both for your advice...much appreciated!

 

So I finished this book on craps (written by a past dealer) and ultimately they recommend making pass bets w/ odds and place bets on 6 and 8, doubling the bet amount every other win OR adding to it each win, but then bringing it back to the original bet after a loss. This dealer only described come bets and odds, but never went so far as to recommend them to the reader. From what I've read on these boards, come bets are respectively the same odds as pass bets, or am I mistaken? Maybe the author didn't want to "confuse" newbies who were ultimately the ones probably buying his book. He also didn't recommend going to the "dark side" even though I've read HERE the odds are SLIGHTLY better by betting on the don't pass/don't come lines with odds on both (I think I'll need to grow some cajones before I try this, lol).

 

Any thoughts on this book's advice?

 

Also, a BUY bet is not the same as a PLACE bet, right? What is the difference between the two, other than a buy bet requires $20 (or $25) to bet with vs. just the minimum for a place bet. Does the buy bet turn "off" like a place bet when a come-out roll is made?

[LSTEFFA]

Casino Player- Your advice is good and nicely written until you started discussing come bets. I understood what you were saying but for a new comer, the part about making 1 passline bet and 2 come bets and then waiting until your bets hit 5 times so you have 4 come bets etc etc ... is a bit confusing.

 

I think you meant that you start with a pass line bet (with odds) then once that bet is established, place a come bet and then place full odds on it and then make one more come bet (again with full odds) so that after they are all working, you have 3 points covered with bets. THEN after you win 4 or 5 of those bets then you play more come bets so you have 4 numbers with bets. At least that is how I read that. That's pretty much what I do, but I thought I would point out that this can be considered an aggressive betting method (meaning you have a lot of money at risk at a given time but also stand to gain the fastest).

 

For a new player, I would advise sticking to one pass line bet with odds and then a couple of place bets (6 and 8) until you understand what is going on better AND you build up some winnings. Nothing makes a new player turn away from craps faster then going to a table for the first time and losing $200 bucks in a couple of rolls... craps can be an expensive game to play but it does give you the best odds of winning money.

 

Now I realize that place bets don't pay as well as odds bets, but you can play them for far less money AND the number only has to hit once to get paid on them AND they survive through a come out roll 7 should a shooter make his point and the new roll hits a 7.

 

Oh, and one last point you should make about come bets... nothing is sweeter than making a come bet and have the same number rolled a couple times in a row. You get paid for your established bet and don't have to put out additional money for the odds as long as you have the next come bet our there. ex. come bet made, roll is a 5, you place odds on the come bet on 5 and put your next come bet out looking for the 3rd point, but 5 is rolled 2 or 3 times in a row. Each time your original come bet's "winnings" is given to you but you don't have to put any more money at risk.... those are the best rolls ...

Agree totally with your last paragraph, nothing sweeter "than a OFF/ON" hit numerous times on a come bet.

[richard1s]

I love craps and enjoy playing on my cruise vacations. However one word of caution; the casino staff is sometimes inexperienced and is occasionally confused when paying off bets at the table. You need to monitor your bets and carefully watch the pay out.

[Casino Player]

Casino Player- Your advice is good and nicely written until you started discussing come bets. I understood what you were saying but for a new comer, the part about making 1 passline bet and 2 come bets and then waiting until your bets hit 5 times so you have 4 come bets etc etc ... is a bit confusing.

 

I think you meant that you start with a pass line bet (with odds) then once that bet is established, place a come bet and then place full odds on it and then make one more come bet (again with full odds) so that after they are all working, you have 3 points covered with bets. THEN after you win 4 or 5 of those bets then you play more come bets so you have 4 numbers with bets. At least that is how I read that. That's pretty much what I do, but I thought I would point out that this can be considered an aggressive betting method (meaning you have a lot of money at risk at a given time but also stand to gain the fastest).

 

For a new player, I would advise sticking to one pass line bet with odds and then a couple of place bets (6 and 8) until you understand what is going on better AND you build up some winnings. Nothing makes a new player turn away from craps faster then going to a table for the first time and losing $200 bucks in a couple of rolls... craps can be an expensive game to play but it does give you the best odds of winning money.

 

Now I realize that place bets don't pay as well as odds bets, but you can play them for far less money AND the number only has to hit once to get paid on them AND they survive through a come out roll 7 should a shooter make his point and the new roll hits a 7.

 

Oh, and one last point you should make about come bets... nothing is sweeter than making a come bet and have the same number rolled a couple times in a row. You get paid for your established bet and don't have to put out additional money for the odds as long as you have the next come bet our there. ex. come bet made, roll is a 5, you place odds on the come bet on 5 and put your next come bet out looking for the 3rd point, but 5 is rolled 2 or 3 times in a row. Each time your original come bet's "winnings" is given to you but you don't have to put any more money at risk.... those are the best rolls ...

 

HHHHHEEEEELLLLLLLLLLOOOOO sailor_jimc: If you read my post my advice was to go slowly. Then I stated what I did when I first started playing.

Second, I did not mention Place bets. I do not tell players starting out about place bets. They should only make Pass Line and Come bets. It is my belief that a player first learning the game should make only Pass Line and Come Bets. They should know what their return would be for a typical bet they make. Dealers may not make a correct payout because they may be in a hurry especially on a crowded table. Also, a Place bet on 6 and 8 has a House Edge of 1.5%. Same as a Pass Line bet. A Pass Line bet with full odds taken has a House Edge of .80%.

Also, Pass Line, Come, and Place bets are different. The Pass Line and Come bets are similar. Place bets have different returns. I don't want to confuse a new player. A new player will in time learn about Place bets. I just don't want to put out so much information at once and they become a confused player. I like to stick to one thing at a time then intergrate other aspects of the game as we progress.

We have to walk before we could run.

[Casino Player]

Thank you both for your advice...much appreciated!

 

So I finished this book on craps (written by a past dealer) and ultimately they recommend making pass bets w/ odds and place bets on 6 and 8, doubling the bet amount every other win OR adding to it each win, but then bringing it back to the original bet after a loss. This dealer only described come bets and odds, but never went so far as to recommend them to the reader. From what I've read on these boards, come bets are respectively the same odds as pass bets, or am I mistaken? Maybe the author didn't want to "confuse" newbies who were ultimately the ones probably buying his book. He also didn't recommend going to the "dark side" even though I've read HERE the odds are SLIGHTLY better by betting on the don't pass/don't come lines with odds on both (I think I'll need to grow some cajones before I try this, lol).

 

Any thoughts on this book's advice?

 

Also, a BUY bet is not the same as a PLACE bet, right? What is the difference between the two, other than a buy bet requires $20 (or $25) to bet with vs. just the minimum for a place bet. Does the buy bet turn "off" like a place bet when a come-out roll is made?

 

HHHHHEEEEELLLLLLLLLLOOOOO itzkelly: On making place bets. I don't recommend new players to make them. Reason, confusion. Pass Line/Come bets and Place bets are different. They are paid differently. And the odds on the two different bets are not the same.

However, if you are ready to learn about Place bets here is my take on them: Make a Place bet large enough to cover your Pass Line/Come bet. Second, I take 5 hits before I increase. Place bets on the 6 and 8 are made in denominations of $6, therefore, a Place bet on 6 and/or 8 will be $6, $12, $18, $24, $30, etc, etc, etc.... Say you bet $5 on the Pass Line and have $10 in odds. Now you have $15 at risk when you play double odds. Now you decide to Place the 6 and 8 for $12 each. Now you have $39 at risk. $24 on your place bets and $15 on your Pass Line with double odds. Now the shooter rolls a 6. You win $14. Shooter rolls again and hits a 5. Shooter rolls again and rolls an 8. You win another $14. The shooter continues to roll until you have your Place bets hit 5 times. You have won $60 on your Place bets. Now, when the shooter rolls another 6 or 8 you could either tell the dealer to make the 6 or 8 look like $18. That means you raise your bet another $6. Or you could press the number. Press means to double your bet. Then $12 more goes to the number and $2 gets returned to you. Then when the 6 or 8 hit up the bet on the opposite number. That is the one you did not raise. Then after 2 more hits on the third hit I would raise the amount bet again by one or two units until I get to $30 in Place bets.

A Buy bet is not the same as a Place bet. You are correct. For $20 or $25 either 4 red chips or 1 green chip you could buy a number. That means you will get the true odds value when that number hits for a $1 charge. It is in your interest to buy for $25. The only numbers that it makes sense to buy are the 4 and 10 which the true odds are 2-1. For a $25 + $1 commission you get $50 return if the number hits.

For someone who is not so experienced in playing the game my advice is to not make buy bets until you gain more experience. Keep it simple when you start out. Know the bets you make and keep track of those bets. Know the odds and know how much your return will be for your bets. Don't try to cram it all in and then become confused when you hit the tables.

And most of all, have fun. Craps can and should be an enjoyable experience. Have a good time. Don't get frustrated.

[Casino Player]

I love craps and enjoy playing on my cruise vacations. However one word of caution; the casino staff is sometimes inexperienced and is occasionally confused when paying off bets at the table. You need to monitor your bets and carefully watch the pay out.

 

HHHHHEEEEELLLLLLLLLLOOOOO richard1s: Then you must have noticed at the bottom of my original advice to itzkelly was: "Know the odds for each number and the payout for the typical bet you make."

I enjoy the game of craps too. I enjoy playing it when I go on vacations, when I go to Atlantic City and other gaming venues.

Before picking up your bet count it to be certain it is correct. A mistake could be made by anyone. That is why it is important to know the expected payout for each bet you make. You should know how much you should recieve when you make the bet.

[sailor_jimc]

HHHHHEEEEELLLLLLLLLLOOOOO sailor_jimc: If you read my post my advice was to go slowly. Then I stated what I did when I first started playing.

 

Second, I did not mention Place bets. I do not tell players starting out about place bets. They should only make Pass Line and Come bets. It is my belief that a player first learning the game should make only Pass Line and Come Bets. They should know what their return would be for a typical bet they make. Dealers may not make a correct payout because they may be in a hurry especially on a crowded table. Also, a Place bet on 6 and 8 has a House Edge of 1.5%. Same as a Pass Line bet. A Pass Line bet with full odds taken has a House Edge of .80%.

 

Also, Pass Line, Come, and Place bets are different. The Pass Line and Come bets are similar. Place bets have different returns. I don't want to confuse a new player. A new player will in time learn about Place bets. I just don't want to put out so much information at once and they become a confused player. I like to stick to one thing at a time then integrate other aspects of the game as we progress.

 

We have to walk before we could run.

 

CP.. Fully understand where you are coming from on this. I was just saying that pass line /w full odds ad a couple of come bets with full odds is an expensive "system" for a new craps player. It gives you the best advantage against the house too, (more so than place bets) but it is expensive. My point was simply that making a 6 and 8 place bet is a cheaper way of getting additional bets on the table.

 

As far as being more confusing? Maybe at first and I can understand you not throwing too much out there at once. But learning the payouts of the place bets isno more difficult than learning what you are going to be paid on your odds portion of the pass line bets. Which everyone should know just so you know if you are being paid correctly. I find that the cruise ship dealers are not always experts on craps and I have seen them pay the wrong amounts out more than once.

 

Its all good.

[itzkelly]

CP ~ thank you for your advice, it is much appreciated and I am definitely taking it all in. I agree about starting slow, after all I am in it to (hopefully!) win it, and want to do it the smartest way possible!! :)

 

Is there some website or link you can recommend where I can go to go over the pay-out for bets with odds on the pass/come lines based on the points being paid out? (Hopefully I made sense in that question, and ie. would be where can I go to know how much to expect to be paid on a '6' point with $5 bet and double odds ($10) down vs., say, a '4' point with same bet and odds down). I'd love to be able to look at something and memorize the payout odds so I know what to expect!

 

Kelly :)

[Casino Player]

CP ~ thank you for your advice, it is much appreciated and I am definitely taking it all in. I agree about starting slow, after all I am in it to (hopefully!) win it, and want to do it the smartest way possible!! :)

 

Is there some website or link you can recommend where I can go to go over the pay-out for bets with odds on the pass/come lines based on the points being paid out? (Hopefully I made sense in that question, and ie. would be where can I go to know how much to expect to be paid on a '6' point with $5 bet and double odds ($10) down vs., say, a '4' point with same bet and odds down). I'd love to be able to look at something and memorize the payout odds so I know what to expect!

 

Kelly :)

 

HHHHHEEEEELLLLLLLLLLOOOOO itzkelly: First, the book you bought should have the true odds for each number. The payouts are different for Place bets. You could also go to WWW.WizardofOdds.com .

Also, remember a Pass Line bet pays even money regardless of the point. An even money bet. Same with the Come bet. 4 and 10 odds bet the payout is 2-1. On a $10 odds bet you will recieve $20 return plus your $5 passline bet. Total return of $25 plus your original bet. When 5 or 9 is the point you will receive $5 for your Pass Line bet and 3-2 for your odds which will be a $15 return. $20 total return plus your original bet. When the point is 6 or 8 you will bet back $5 for your Pass Line bet and 6-5 for your odds bet. $12 odds $5 Pass Line for $17 plus your original bet.

 

At Wizard of Odds they have a place where you could practice. Good luck to you.

[jty1220]

can you please explain what you mean by odds betting? I understand the pass line, and I understand the come bet which will be placed at a number if it is 4,5,6,8,9,10 but dont understand the odds.?

 

thanks alot, I really appreciate it

[cb at sea]

Most ships will host "lessons" where you can actually play, but NOT with real money...that's a good way to "get your feet wet" and get the feel of Craps! It's much easier if you actually DO it, rather than reading about it!

[MrCo9]

can you please explain what you mean by odds betting? I understand the pass line, and I understand the come bet which will be placed at a number if it is 4,5,6,8,9,10 but dont understand the odds.?

 

thanks alot, I really appreciate it

The "Odds" are an additional bet made to a pass line or come bet. It pays the true odds, that is why they are called the odds.

 

When all you can take is double odds, you're better off making place bets rather than come bets on the 5, 6 8 and 9. A $30 bet on the 6 or 8 will pay $35 each and everytime they roll, a $10 come bet with $20 odds will pay $34 the second time the number rolls. A $30 place bet on the 5 or 9 will pay $42 a $10 come bet with $20 odds will pay $40. Taking odds only makes sense when you can take more than 3-4-5xs odds.

[MrCo9]

CP ~ thank you for your advice, it is much appreciated and I am definitely taking it all in. I agree about starting slow, after all I am in it to (hopefully!) win it, and want to do it the smartest way possible!! :)

 

Is there some website or link you can recommend where I can go to go over the pay-out for bets with odds on the pass/come lines based on the points being paid out? (Hopefully I made sense in that question, and ie. would be where can I go to know how much to expect to be paid on a '6' point with $5 bet and double odds ($10) down vs., say, a '4' point with same bet and odds down). I'd love to be able to look at something and memorize the payout odds so I know what to expect!

 

Kelly :)

$5 pass line with $10 odds will pay $25 on a 4 or 10, $20 on a 5 or 9 and $17 on a 6 or 8.

 

Waiting until the 5th time a number rolls to press it is LUDICROUS. 1 roller in 20 will be lucky to get that far. You should be pressing a number the first or second time it rolls. Or pressing all your numbers one time after you have collected on half of your bets. THAT'S how you make money when playing craps.

 

If you start with 27 across ($26 if the point is 6 or 8), I recommend the following presses.

 

On the 6 and 8 go from 6 to 12 to 18 to 24 to 30 to 52 to 60 to 90 to 120 to 150 to 210 to 300 to 450 to 600 to 900 to 1200 to 1500 to 1800 or 2100 (Probably at max by now on a cruise ship)

 

On the 5 and 9 go from 5 to 10 to 15 to 25 to 35 to 50 to 75 to 125 to 200 to 300 to 400 to 500 to 600 to 800 to 1000 to 1500

 

On the 4 and 10 5 to 10 to 25 to 50 to 75 to 100 to 150 to 250 to 400 to 600 to 1000

[MrCo9]

1. Do you play odds on every pass number you get (ie. the point is 4/5/6/8/9/10) - do you add odd to ALL of these on the pass line? OR, do you play different amt of odds based on the point number? If all you can take is double odds, FORGET come bets and make place bets instead.

 

3. Can you better explain what a 'vig' is? I'm assuming if the house wants to have the roller pay a commission, then the odds are better...what is this for? Vig is short for Vigorish or commission. When you "Buy" a 4 or 10 you will pay a 5% vig each time it rolls. If the casino charges a vig when you place the bet, think about playing at another casino. A $20 4 or 10 will pay $39 when it hits a $100 bet pays $195.

 

4. How many 'come' bets do you add while the pass bet is still in play? NONE if all you can take is double odds, place bets pay better.

 

Will you continue to add a come bet if the 6 and 8 are still open? Only make as many bets as you can keep track of. Nothing slows a game down more than a player who must be reminded to pick up their bets or a player who asks with each rool "How much do I have on the 5?" or "Do I still have a hard 4?"

 

Do you have a max (ie. only 2 or 3 come bets regardless of the number they fall on)? All depends on how much you can afford to lose and how many you can keep track of.

 

Is there a point where too many come bets lowers the odds for yourself altogether? Yes, 1 if all you're given is double odds. If you can play more than 3-4-5 xs odds, you can never have too many, until the 7 rolls.

 

I am sure I have a bunch more questions, but these are the ones I am stuck on for now...thanks so much for your help!

 

Kelly :)

When you think of them, ask away.

[jty1220]

The "Odds" are an additional bet made to a pass line or come bet. It pays the true odds, that is why they are called the odds.

 

When all you can take is double odds, you're better off making place bets rather than come bets on the 5, 6 8 and 9. A $30 bet on the 6 or 8 will pay $35 each and everytime they roll, a $10 come bet with $20 odds will pay $34 the second time the number rolls. A $30 place bet on the 5 or 9 will pay $42 a $10 come bet with $20 odds will pay $40. Taking odds only makes sense when you can take more than 3-4-5xs odds.

 

 

How do you know what odds are offered? How is it determined?

Also where do you place those bets? I know the pass line odds are placed behind your pass line bet but what about come odds?

[Jeffffffs]

How do you know what odds are offered? How is it determined?

Also where do you place those bets? I know the pass line odds are placed behind your pass line bet but what about come odds?

 

 

Each casino has different rules on how much odds bets they will accept. There will often be a sign on the table, but you can always ask the dealer. In fact, until you get the hang of it, always ask the dealer what your maximum odds are, as they will sometimes allow you to round up to a higher bet, and some casinos have unusual rules).

 

Odds on a come bet are given to the dealer after the point is established, he will put the odds on top of your come bet.

[MrCo9]

How do you know what odds are offered? How is it determined?

Also where do you place those bets? I know the pass line odds are placed behind your pass line bet but what about come odds?

The odds will be stated on the limit sign that is on the table. Something like $5 - $1000 Double Odds" or "$5 - $500 Full Double Odds" or "$5 - $2000 20 times Odds" (That is found at the casino where I work). The casino gets to determine what odds they offer. The highest I've seen is 100 times odds, that is offered by the Casino Royale in Las Vegas.

 

The come bet odds you put in the come box after the dice have rolled. If you're quick enough the dealers appreciate your odds being placed next to your come bet right after the number has been rolled and the dice have been collected. If the dealer does not take your odds let them know that that is what they are. Any money left in the come when the dice roll becoem a bet, it is your responsibility to let the dealer know that is what they are. If you forget to pick up your payout, it becomes a new bet.

 

Anytime you like you can call your odds, place bets and hardways off. That means for that roll and until you call them back on, those bets do not have action.

[MrCo9]

 

3. The "vig." The vig is used when you buy a number. It is a commission. It gives you true odds on the number you buy. The only numbers it makes sense to buy are the 4 or 10 since they pay on true odds at 2-1. Buy bets are made in multiples of $20. Most Casinos will let you make a buy bet for $25 for the same $1 commission. It is in your best interest when making a buy bet to buy for $25. Return is $50.

 

Pretty close, but not exactly right, If you do not have to pay the vig up front buying the 5 and 9 makes sense anytime they are above $20. A $20 5 or 9 pays $28 a "Bought" 5 or 9 will pay $29, ok $1 BIG deal. Do that with a $500 5 or 9 and it's an extra $25. Follow my betting example posted before and you might get there on a GOOD roll. Buy bets do not have to be in $20 increments, you can buy a $25, $30, $50, $75 etc 4 or 10.

 

And CP, please when you do respond, Hello, is spelled with ONLY 5 letters.

[Jeffffffs]

 

Waiting until the 5th time a number rolls to press it is LUDICROUS. 1 roller in 20 will be lucky to get that far. You should be pressing a number the first or second time it rolls. Or pressing all your numbers one time after you have collected on half of your bets. THAT'S how you make money when playing craps.

 

If you start with 27 across ($26 if the point is 6 or 8), I recommend the following presses.

 

On the 6 and 8 go from 6 to 12 to 18 to 24 to 30 to 52 to 60 to 90 to 120 to 150 to 210 to 300 to 450 to 600 to 900 to 1200 to 1500 to 1800 or 2100 (Probably at max by now on a cruise ship)

 

On the 5 and 9 go from 5 to 10 to 15 to 25 to 35 to 50 to 75 to 125 to 200 to 300 to 400 to 500 to 600 to 800 to 1000 to 1500

 

On the 4 and 10 5 to 10 to 25 to 50 to 75 to 100 to 150 to 250 to 400 to 600 to 1000

 

This is so true, and something so many people do not do. It also really adds to the excitement on good rolls as you start to get to some large pay-outs.

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MrCo9, is buying the 5 and 9 common in Vegas? In AC (where you pay the vig up front) you almost never see it (I saw a guy try to do it recently, and I had to explain to the dealer what he was talking about). Also here they'll let you buy the 4/10 up to $35 for $1.

[jty1220]

Does your odds bet have to be double your pass line or come bet?

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Your odds bet can be any amout up to the maximum allowed (just remember that to get the best pay-out on your odds bet you should bet in increments of $5 on the 4,6,8,10, and increments of $2 (even numbers) on the 5 and 9...but it is not required that you do so).