How do you prounounce "Nieuw"

[sondrad]

Is HAL's new ship pronounced 'New' Amsterdam? or how is it pronounced?

[sail7seas]

New

[PumpkinPatches]

I would assume so. I just call it the "New Amsterdam"..

What do you think of "Oosterdam"??

Is it like "oooh-ster-dam" or "oh-ster-dam"?

[Gunther1]

I call it "my home for seven days next month".

 

Sorry...couldn't resist :).

 

40 days ....but who is counting.

[PumpkinPatches]

I call it "my home for seven days next month".

 

Sorry...couldn't resist :).

40 days ....but who is counting.

 

No way!! I'm going on the Oosterdam sailing riiight after yours! 48 days left for me!

[Typhoon1]

Just like anything else New.

 

I recall the same questions about Zuiderdam and Oosterdam.

[Copper10-8]

Is HAL's new ship pronounced 'New' Amsterdam? or how is it pronounced?

 

The closest you're gonna get in the English language is to pronounce it like your knee and put a soft "w" behind that;

Knee-ww Ahmsterdahm

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What do you think of "Oosterdam"??.....................

 

 

 

As is Toast, but drop the "T" Oasterdahm

[Copper10-8]

Prinsendam "Princen-dahm" as in "Prince"

Statendam "St-ah-ten-dahm" as in "say Aah"

Maasdam "Maahs-dahm" as in "say Ahh"

Ryndam "Rhine-dahm" as in wine

Veendam "Veyn-dahm" as in "hey"

Rotterdam "Rott-ehr-dahm" as in Rotweiler

Amsterdam "Ahm-ster-dahm"

Volendam "Vohl-en-dahm" as in "Foal"

Zaandam "Zahn-dahm" as in "say Aah"

Zuiderdam "Z eye-der-dahm"

Oosterdam "Oasterdahm" as in Toast but drop the "T"

Westerdam "West-ehr-dahm"

Noordam "Nor-dahm" as in More

Eurodam "Uh-row-dahm" as in "Uhhh"

Nieuw Amsterdam "Kneew Ahm-ster-dahm", as in Knee + a soft"w"

[PumpkinPatches]

Thanks!!

I feel like such an idiot not knowing the name of the ship I'm going on

[ariawoman]

I call it "my home for seven days next month".

 

Sorry...couldn't resist :).

 

40 days ....but who is counting.

 

My home in 56 days :-) hehe. Can't wait.

 

I always assumed it was "nee uh" but americans are known to butcher everything anyway so I've been saying New LOL.

[sail7seas]

Seeing as only a teeny, tiny percentage of North Americans speak Dutch, 99.9% of us are going to say 'new'. :D

 

 

[Copper10-8]

Seeing as only a teeny, tiny percentage of North Americans speak Dutch, 99.9% of us are going to say 'new'. :D

 

 

 

And you'll be absolutely fine doing that. No one will have a prob knowing what dam ship it is, you're referring to

[SwissMyst]

I kept saying "Zwee-der-dam", until I got on board and heard everyone call her the Z-I-- der-dam. Should have checked that thread that teaches us pronounciation of HAL ships.

[fridayeyes]

Hmm, and I have been pronouncing it like the German "neue." Oops!

[SwissMyst]

Hmm, and I have been pronouncing it like the German "neue." Oops!

 

Du bist nicht ganz aleine. It was the "Noy" Amsterdam for me too.

[VermeulT]

Prinsendam "Princen-dahm" as in "Prince"

Statendam "St-ah-ten-dahm" as in "say Aah"

Maasdam "Maahs-dahm" as in "say Ahh"

Ryndam "Rhine-dahm" as in wine

Veendam "Veyn-dahm" as in "hey"

Rotterdam "Rott-ehr-dahm" as in Rotweiler

Amsterdam "Ahm-ster-dahm"

Volendam "Vohl-en-dahm" as in "Foal"

Zaandam "Zahn-dahm" as in "say Aah"

Zuiderdam "Z eye-der-dahm"

Oosterdam "Oasterdahm" as in Toast but drop the "T"

Westerdam "West-ehr-dahm"

Noordam "Nor-dahm" as in More

Eurodam "Uh-row-dahm" as in "Uhhh"

Nieuw Amsterdam "Kneew Ahm-ster-dahm", as in Knee + a soft"w"

 

I kept saying "Zwee-der-dam", until I got on board and heard everyone call her the Z-I-- der-dam. Should have checked that thread that teaches us pronounciation of HAL ships.

 

I disagree with this... the direction on the compass isn't pronounced Zide it's Zoud (like Loud) ... so why is it then Z-eye-der-dahm. Shouldn't it be Zoud-er-dahm?

[Copper10-8]

I disagree with this... the direction on the compass isn't pronounced Zide it's Zoud (like Loud) ... so why is it then Z-eye-der-dahm. Shouldn't it be Zoud-er-dahm?

 

 

Well, you speak Dutch. Zuid in Dutch is pronounced like an onion, an "ui". I can't think of anything closer in English to get to the Dutch zuid...... Zeyd......Cider...........Zoud; it's all in the ballpark ;)

[DizzyDallasDi]

All I know is the captain kept saying Zi (long i) der dam when I was on her. What does he know, though?

[Renmar]

Well, you speak Dutch. Zuid in Dutch is pronounced like an onion, an "ui". I can't think of anything closer in English to get to the Dutch zuid...... Zeyd......Cider...........Zoud; it's all in the ballpark ;)

 

The sound in the Dutch word "Zuid" is not a sound known in the English language (as far as I know).

If I knew how to make a soundtrack that could be posted here I would gladly provide all the correct pronunciations.

Theo

[Copper10-8]

The sound in the Dutch word "Zuid" is not a sound known in the English language (as far as I know).

If I knew how to make a soundtrack that could be posted here I would gladly provide all the correct pronunciations.

Theo

 

Yeah, that's my point. Unless you speak Dutch, you can't pronounce it the way the Dutch pronounce it. There is no equivalent in the English language. Zeyder/Cider/Zider all come close

[navybankerteacher]

"Nieuw" should sound more like "Knew" and less like "Noo" - as in the way too many Noo Yorkers would pronounce it.

 

The fact is that the word "new" came into English from Anglo-Saxon -- whose roots are very close to the roots of Dutch.

[Boytjie]

Yeah, that's my point. Unless you speak Dutch, you can't pronounce it the way the Dutch pronounce it. There is no equivalent in the English language. Zeyder/Cider/Zider all come close

 

Well, those if us that speak Afrikaans can do the "ui" too. ;)

 

Maybe we discussed this before, but I thought Ryndam would be pronounced more like "Rain-dahm" than "Rhine-dahm".

[dockrocker]

The sound in the Dutch word "Zuid" is not a sound known in the English language (as far as I know).

If I knew how to make a soundtrack that could be posted here I would gladly provide all the correct pronunciations.

Theo

 

Merriam Webster's audio for Zuider Zee is here (you must choose ZZ from the menu): http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/zee. Am sure it will just provoke more debate. :)

[Himself]

Copper 10/8:

I have usually heard it pronounced: New Amsterdam. How far off am I? The first time I sailed a HAL ship it was a seven day Western Caribbean on the Nieuw Amsterdam--but not the current ship. The old one carried 1214 and went out of service in 2000 right before the AMSTERDAM came on line. What ever became of that ship and is it still sailing?

[Copper10-8]

Copper 10/8:

I have usually heard it pronounced: New Amsterdam. How far off am I? The first time I sailed a HAL ship it was a seven day Western Caribbean on the Nieuw Amsterdam--but not the current ship. The old one carried 1214 and went out of service in 2000 right before the AMSTERDAM came on line. What ever became of that ship and is it still sailing?

 

You're not far off at all! If you say 'New' every Dutch man/woman will know what you're referring to. In Dutch, 'nieuw' sound more like 'knee-ww'

Here's the story on Nieuw Amsterdam III. She had a bit of a rough start;) She was our first HAL ship also, out of Tampa, Fl

ms NieuwAmsterdam III (1983-present). Built by Chantiers de l'Atlantique shipyard, St. Nazaire, France as ms Nieuw Amsterdam and delivered to Holland America Line on 1 July, 1983 as the first of two identical sisters which would be known as the "N"-class with HAL. Her younger sister, Noordam III followed just under a year later from the same yard.They would be the last new-builds for the, at that time, Dutch-owned Holland-Amerika Lijn. She was the third ship to bear the name Nieuw Amsterdam in Holland America Line’s then 110-year history. Nieuw Amsterdam or New Amsterdam, was named after the 17th-century Dutch colonial settlement on the island of Manhattan that served as the capital of the New Netherland territory and later became New York City.

 

The first Nieuw Amsterdam operated for Holland America Line from 1906 until 1932. She was built by Harland & Wolff Limited in Belfast, Northern Ireland as HAL’s first quadruple expansion engined liner and their last fitted with emergency sails. In 1908 her forward promenade was glass enclosed and her superstructure extended forward the next year. On 26 February 1932, Nieuw Amsterdam I departed her homeport of Rotterdam for the last time on her way to Osaka, Japan were she was broken up for scrap.

 

The second Nieuw Amsterdam was launched on 10 April 1937 by HRH Queen Wilhelmina at the Rotterdamsche Droogdok Maatschappij/Rotterdam Drydock Company in Rotterdam as the second-largest liner ever built in the Netherlands. The building of this “Ship of State” was an act of national faith. Arriving at New York on 16 May 1938 on her maiden voyage from Rotterdam, she quickly joined the elite “Ships of State”, England’s Queen Mary, France’s Normandie, Germany’s Bremen and Europa and Italy’s Rex as the Atlantic run reached its pre-war pinnacle. Last leaving Rotterdam on 22 September 1939 due to World War II, she made a triumphant return there, still painted in her wartime gray hull, on 10 April 1946 after having steamed 530,452 nautical miles and having carried 378,361 military passengers as a troop transport. She was dubbed “Darling of the Dutch” as a result of this visit. After an extensive refit, she resumed trans-Atlantic liner service on 29 October 1947. After switching to full-time cruising in 1971, she arrived at Kaohsiung, Taiwan on 2 March 1974 where she was broken up.

 

 

Nieuw Amsterdam’s keel was laid on 14 November 1981 and her hull floated out on 21 August 1982. Successful technical trials took place off the Normandy coast on 12, 13 and 14 March 1983. The official delivery was scheduled for 11 May 1983. Then the problems started! First, a strike by Chantiers de l'Atlantique shipyard workers forced the hand-over date back to more than a month later, to 17 June 1983. This is when HAL actually took possession of the vessel and on 23 June, Nieuw Amsterdam departed St. Nazaire for Le Havre, France with a number of VIPs onboard, arriving there the next day. The naming ceremony as well as her maiden voyage was scheduled to take place two days later, on 26 June 1983. On 25 June however, one of Nieuw Amsterdam’s main electrical switchboards burned out which resulted in severe technical problems. HAL was forced to postpone the dedication ceremony and several of the VIP’s and naming ceremony guests had no choice but to return home. Replacement parts to repair and rebuild the ailing switchboard were actually removed from her younger sister Noordam, still under construction in St. Nazaire, but the process took almost a month to complete.

 

Now two weeks behind schedule, the lead ship of the “N” class was finally named by her godmother, HRH Princess Margriet of the Netherlands, on 9 July 1983. Nieuw Amsterdam then departed Le Havre on an inaugural trans-Atlantic crossing to New York City on 10 July 1983 under the command of HAL Captain Frederik “Freek” van Driel. She arrived in New York Harbor, complete with two stowaways from the African country of Ghana, on 18 July where she received the traditional fireboat welcome from the FDNY. As part of her inaugural visit and maiden voyage festivities, Nieuw Amsterdam sailed two cruises to ‘nowhere’ on 19 and 20 July 1983 from New York for VIPs, travel professionals and media representatives.

 

 

On 21 July 1983 she departed New York on her maiden voyage, a roundtrip bound for Hamilton, Bermuda, Philipsburg, Sint Maarten and Charlotte Amalie, St. Thomas, USVI. For the 1983 winter season, Nieuw Amsterdam repositioned via the Panama Canal to San Francisco, CA on the U.S. west coast, from where she operated 14-day cruises to the Mexican Riviera, as far south as Acapulco in the state of Guerrero. In 1984 she was registered to Sint Maarten-based Holland America Tours N.V. while being managed by Seattle, WA-based Holland America Line-Westours. Also in the summer of that year, she operated her first Alaska season from Vancouver, BC calling at Juneau, Sitka, Ketchikan and Valdez. The 1984-1985 winter season found her sailing 7-day cruises to the Western Caribbean out of Tampa, Fl. With port calls at Playa del Carmen and Cozumel, Mexico, Ocho Rios, Jamaica and George Town on Grand Cayman in the Cayman Islands. And this pattern would continue for the next several years. As the HAL fleet grew from the late 1980s onwards, Nieuw Amsterdam’s itineraries widened to various destinations around the world.A longer, thirty plus day South Pacific cruise was on her agenda in the fall of 1991. In 1996 she began using New Orleans, LA as a seasonal home port for some of her Western Carib cruises, substituting Montego Bay for Ocho Rios. Nieuw Amsterdam would wind up serving the Holland America Line for seventeen years.

 

 

Nieuw Amsterdam’s passenger capacity consisted of 122 deluxe staterooms, 235 large outside rooms, 32 standard outside rooms, 145 large inside rooms and 50 inside double rooms for a total of 584. The “N’s” did not have any large suites or private verandahs. When launched, Nieuw Amsterdam came out with the two-tiered Stuyvesant (main show) Lounge (named for Pieter Stuyvesant, the last governor of New Netherland from 1647 until 1664) with, on its upper level, the Minnewit Terrace (named for Pieter Minnewit aka Peter Minuit, governor of New Netherland from 1626 until 1633) with Peter’s Bar, the Peartree (night) Club (named for a pear tree imported from Holland to Manhattan and planted on the Bowery) with the Partridge Bar, the Explorers Lounge, the Hudson Lounge (named for English sea explorer and navigator Henry Hudson who, in the service of the Dutch Republic, explored the Hudson River and thereby laid the foundation for Dutch colonization of the region), which was the main cocktail lounge with Henry’s Bar.

 

The Crow’s Nest observation/dancing lounge with an inlaid-wood dance floor designed to resemble the face of a compass, the Book Chest Library, the Card room, De Halve Maen (the Half Moon, named after the Dutch East India Company ship used by Hudson) room, the Princess (movie) theater (also used for lectures, meetings and religious services), the Big Apple lounge, the Fotoshop, the Perel Straet (Pearl Street) Shopping Arcade (with Gift Shop, Boutique and Jewelry Shop), the Wampum (named after traditional, sacred shell beads of Eastern Woodlands native tribes) Casino (offering blackjack on six tables, Caribbean poker, roulette and slot machines), The Square (including the Main Lobby, Main staircase, elevators plus offices of the Hotel Manager, Purser, Cruise Director and Maitre d’ Hotel), the Barber Shop and the Beauty Parlor, the Ocean Spa (with massage room and dual steam saunas) and Gymnasium (with treadmills, rowing machines, stationary bikes, isometric pulleys and free weights), the Lido (buffet) Restaurant, the Manhattan (main) dining room complete with two small and private dining rooms, known as the Kings (starboard) and Queens Room (port side), a paddle/deck tennis and a volleyball court and two outdoor swimming pools, one with fresh water and whirlpool/Jacuzzi on Navigation Deck, and the other with salt water and a small wading pool on Promenade Deck.

The tradition of exhibiting art objects on board the passenger ships of the Holland America Line began in 1938, during the golden era of leisurely ocean cruising. The company’s first grand collection was displayed on the second Nieuw Amsterdam. Nieuw Amsterdam III’s theme paid tribute to the Dutch West India Company or Geoctroyeerde Westindische Compagnie(GWC) in Dutch, of the 17th through 19th centuries, with more than U.S. $2 million worth of art and artifacts displayed throughout the ship. The Dutch West Indies Company governed the Dutch settlements of Manhattan and New Amsterdam and its impact on the history of America continues to this day.

 

Some of the examples of art onboard Nieuw Amsterdam III: a large display of nautical instruments from the 18th century in her Crow’s Nest. The documents certifying the Dutch purchase of the island of Manhattan from the Algonquin Indians for 60 guilders worth of goods were on display in the Minnewit Terrace. In the ship’s stairwell, a model of the Willem IV van Oranje/William IV of Orange, a 54-gun warship that protected the sea lanes for the Dutch West India Cy could be found. Inside the Hudson Lounge facing the bar was a statue of the famous explorer. It originally stood inside Nieuw Amsterdam II and, after that, inside Statendam IV’s Hudson Lounge. On the far wall of the same bar was located a rendering of Jan Klaas and Katerine, the Dutch version of Punch and Judy. The sign that used to decorate the entrance to the Stuyvesant Lounge was a reproduction of the Pieter Stuyvesant’s signature. Adorning the ship’s staircase leading to Main Deck was an enormous Venetian lantern made in 1580. The Manhattan Dining Room had some of the finest pieces of the ship’s art collection. Inside the private Queen’s Room bronze sculptures of Queen Mary Stuart I, Queen Mary Stuart II and Queen Amalia van Solmns, consort of Prince Frederik Hendrik of Orange could be found. In the opposite Kings Room were three bronze sculptures of King Charles II of England, King James II and Prince Willem II of Orange.

 

On 10 August 1999, American Classic Voyages, parent company of Delta Queen and American Hawaiian Cruises, announced that it had purchased Nieuw Amsterdam from Holland America Line for $114.5 million dollars, to operate an inter-island Hawaii service alongside their ss Independence. After her final Alaska season in 2000, NieuwAmsterdam sailed, without passengers, to Sydney, Australia where she served as a hotel ship for the Summer Olympics between 12 September and 3 October 2000. Following those games, she sailed to Honolulu, where about 60 crew came aboard from the newly formed United States Lines (under American Classic Voyages) and then continued on to Portland, Ore.

 

On 18 October 2000, American Classic Voyages officially acquired the ship with the transfer occurring in a somewhat unusual ceremony at sea, approximately fourteen miles off Portland. At the same moment her registry was changed to Honolulu, she reverted to the U.S. flag, and was renamed ms Patriot. Patriot proceeded to Cascade General Shipyard in Portland, Ore, arriving on 18 October 2000, where she underwent a multi-million dollar dry-docking and refurbishment. Among the work, her existing Wampum Casino was replaced with a Destination Learning Center where passengers could explore the heritage of the Hawaiian Islands; hear "talk story" from the onboard kumu (Hawaiian teacher); learn the Hawaiian language, hula, arts and crafts; and read about the five ports and four islands visited during the seven-night cruise. Other renovations included a new 464 square foot Presidential Suite (converted from two rooms); the Waikiki Beach Boy Club, an upgraded Conference (the former Card Room and Half Moon Room) and Business Center with Internet portals (the former Book Chest Library); modern family activities areas including Kaleidoscope (the former Disco), a kids' club on one side, and the Graffiti Club teen center on the other. The former print shop became a Video Arcade. An additional bow thruster was added, along with a stern thruster. Her hull was painted blue and a new funnel logo was applied. On November 8, 2000 she was refloated, remaining at wet dock while work progressed.

 

On 23 November 2000, Patriot sailed without passengers to the Los Angeles Cruise Center at San Pedro, CA. however a promotional cruise from there for travel professionals was cancelled by the United States Coast Guard who were not happy with the ship’s safety regulations. Patriot then sailed to San Francisco where a similar cruise to nowhere was once again cancelled by the USCG for the same reason. On 2 December 2000, Patriot sailed out of San Francisco harbor on her maiden voyage to Honolulu, Hi with 700 passengers onboard.

Upon arrival in Honolulu, she began operating 7-day cruises for United States Lines on 9 December 2000, departing every Saturday evening with port calls at Nawiliwili, Kauai, Kahului, Maui, Hilo, Hawaii, and Kona, Hawaii, before returning to Honolulu.

On 19 October 2001, American Classic Voyages, Inc. announced that it had filed for bankruptcy/Chapter 11 protection and would cease most sailings. Both ss Independence and ms Patriot stopped sailing on Saturday, 20 October after completing their cruises and were laid up at pier 24 in Honolulu. Patriot’s main creditors at this time were still the Carnival Corporation (also the owners of HAL) so they sought a federal court action to, among other things, prohibited the ship from leaving port. As a result, Patriot was arrested in Honolulu harbor on 26 October 2001.

 

On 27 January 2002, she was auctioned off at the federal court in Honolulu, Carnival Corporation took possession, and the ship reverted back to her original name of NieuwAmsterdam, however under Bahamian flag and registered to HAL’s subsidiary Wind Surf[/b]. Nieuw Amsterdam departed Honolulu on 15 March 2002, initially for dry-dock at Freeport, the Bahamas. Those plans, and her destination, were changed on 28 March 2002 and a new course was set for Charleston, NC, where she arrived on 2 April 2002 for a wet-dock and general maintenance work.

Approximately two weeks later, it was announced that Carnival Corporation had reached a 10-year bareboat charter agreement for the ship with Cyprus-based Louis Cruise Lines. This was followed by another announcement on 18 April 2002 that Louis, in turn, would sub-lease the ship to Luton, England-based travel operator Thomson Holidays/Thomson Cruises, initially for three and a half years, and then changed to ten years. After an official handover to Louis Cruise Lines, she left Charleston for Piraeus, Greece on 7 May 2002. Upon arrival there on 23 May 2002, she underwent an extensive refit at Perama and was initially named Spirit.