dress code for dinner?

[gisnered]

The cruise line is not the host. I paid the tab and I am the host.

 

Nonsense. You are a paying guest. The cruise line is your host.

 

from http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary

 

Definition of GUEST

 

1

a : a person entertained in one's house

b : a person to whom hospitality is extended

c : a person who pays for the services of an establishment (as a hotel or restaurant)

 

Definition of HOST

1

a : one that receives or entertains guests socially, commercially, or officially

b : one that provides facilities for an event or function <our college served as host for the basketball tournament>

 

By the way, I believe that it is bad manners to comment on how others choose to dress.

 

Nonsense again. It is bad manners to criticize the way others choose to dress, it is acceptable manners to complement the way others choose to dress.

 

However, it is certainly acceptable to discuss modes of dress on public forums. It is acceptable, also in discussion, to evaluate (negatively) a mode of dress offered on a public forum as a model of a standard or of an acceptable mode.

[tip]

The cruise line is the host, they set up the rules and you sign a contract to abide by those rules. Simple as that.

 

 

The mode of dress is "suggested". It is not a rule. It is simple as that.

[1 HappyCruiser]

I believe the bad manners come in when one is intentionally disrespecting the request of the cruiseline (your host) to dress in a specific way. If you were invited to a black tie wedding and showed up in jeans, wouldn't that be considered bad manners?

 

Perhaps your meaning of the word "invited" is different than what I understand it to be? When the cruise line invites me & pays my fare then and only then will they have a say on how I should dress. Until then I will choose my attire. Can they refuse me entrance into the DR? Sure they can, but they also don't have a say about the matter once seated & if I care to remove articles of clothing to modify my dress to casual level.

 

I agree with you. However, I think most people are up in arms about the comments of one particular poster who flaunts that he refuses to go by the dress code and "picks and chooses" which rules to follow, whether it's formal night dress attire, or taking a towel on an excursion.

 

There's certainly nothing wrong with wishing things were more relaxed, but still following the dress code. That's being respectful of Celebrity and other guests that are dining and wanting the whole ambiance of a formal night event.

 

Bad manners comes into play if you do whatever you want, wherever you want regardless of what society or anyone else dictates. That is a pretty selfish attitude to have.

 

Another analogy. I have a dress code at work, working in an office. I would never show up for work in shorts and a t-shirt just because I am more comfortable in them (or jeans unless it is casual Friday). If I did I would soon find myself either being sent home or finding another job. Same thing goes for any other kind of event, wedding, prom, company Christmas dinner, or whatever that requires a certain dress code. If you don't want to dress up for the occasion, find another alternative or don't go.

 

It's not going to bother me what people wear, to be clear. That's just my side of the argument. I love formal nights and will enjoy them as long as they exist.

 

Your example about work is very poor at best. You know as well as anyone that the cruise line is not paying your salary & cannot dictate to you as they can to their employees what is appropriate to wear. I think you've brainwashed yourself into thinking that it matters and I'm sure it does to certain people but for the most part, people couldn't care less.

[tip]

Nonsense. You are a paying guest. The cruise line is your host.

 

from http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary

 

Definition of GUEST

 

1

a : a person entertained in one's house

b : a person to whom hospitality is extended

c : a person who pays for the services of an establishment (as a hotel or restaurant)

 

Definition of HOST

1

a : one that receives or entertains guests socially, commercially, or officially

b : one that provides facilities for an event or function <our college served as host for the basketball tournament>

 

 

 

Nonsense again. It is bad manners to criticize the way others choose to dress, it is acceptable manners to complement the way others choose to dress.

 

However, it is certainly acceptable to discuss modes of dress on public forums. It is acceptable, also in discussion, to evaluate (negatively) a mode of dress offered on a public forum as a model of a standard or of an acceptable mode.

 

At least we can agree that there is a great deal of nonsense posted on these boards!;)

[DC2OC]

I choose to dress on formal night just as I choose not to bring heavy bulky jeans on a cruise(with the weight limits on airlines it seems to be a terrible waste of space and weight as dress pants and khakis weight much less,besides these items are more comfortable)

.................Frank:)

[agabbymama]

There are always going to be two sides to this issue and never the twain shall meet.

 

Methinks the OP did just what he set out to do, getting the rile out of everybody on both sides of the issue.

 

Suffice to say, those that want to dress casual can/and will continue to do so, and those that want to dress up will continue to do so.

 

This is kind of like POLITICS! I hate those discussions too!

[new salt]

The estimable Benjamin Franklin summed this issue up when he said

 

"There are, Sir, but three certain things in Life; Death, Taxes and endless squabbles about dress on formal nights."

[Rick-cruiser]

The estimable Benjamin Franklin summed this issue up when he said

 

"There are, Sir, but three certain things in Life; Death, Taxes and endless squabbles about dress on formal nights."

 

Now THAT'S funny.

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[gisnered]

At least we can agree that there is a great deal of nonsense posted on these boards!;)

 

Truth, that.

 

These boards are also full of false analogies, inductive reasoning, unfounded generalizations, and opinion masquerading as fact. Ain't it fun? :D:D:D

[Cruise Junky]

Truth, that.

 

These boards are also full of false analogies, inductive reasoning, unfounded generalizations, and opinion masquerading as fact. Ain't it fun? :D:D:D

 

And it's only Wednesday ;)

[arewethereyet]

Truth, that.

 

These boards are also full of false analogies, inductive reasoning, unfounded generalizations, and opinion masquerading as fact. Ain't it fun? :D:D:D

And much of it in a passive/aggressive wrapper. ;)

[jconeil]

This is a well-written post, and I understand your point. But, at the same time, every sentence in this post is an opinion, and everyone has a different opinion.

 

Just because someone is lacking in "Emily Post"-type etiquette does not make that person a slob, or vagrant, or mentally-ill, or anything else. It could just mean that such a person (okay, me :)) does not enjoy wearing constricting, bulky clothes and does not necessarily equate dressing-up with class or elegance.

Still confused :confused:. What was an opinion? Observations about the dining room & private thoughts about another persons choice in dress, don't make opinions. Now, IMO :D, manners are part of your character. They are not something brought out for special occasions. Respecting other people sometimes means you must subjugate your own selfish desires. Dressing in respectable clothing in a fine dining establishment IMO :D is one of those mannerisms that display your character. If your clothing is uncomfortable, go on a diet or buy some new ones. I have to do that often :(

[dkjretired]

The mode of dress is "suggested". It is not a rule. It is simple as that.

 

We've had this brought up many times before, when the cruise line can enforce their rule and not allow you into the MDR if not properly dressed it is a rule, not a suggestion

[Leesie6351]

a ploy on X's part to entice all the folks who don't want to dress up for formal nights to spend extra $ by supporting the specialty restaurants?

 

I am boycotting the specialty restaurants because I believe ever since they have become more popular, the quality of food in the MDR has declined. I have many 4 and 5 star retaurants to go to at home (Atlanta) and don't need to give any more of my hard earned retirement money to X to get a higher quality of food and service than in the MDR. We've already lowered the service of the waiters in the MDR with My Time Dining, let's not completely lower the remaining quality of food in the MDR by encouraging passengers to frequent the specialty restaurants by suggesting it's a good way to avoid dressing up for formal night.

 

I happen to love formal night-- we never really have occasions at home to dress to the 9's--- but I would rather give them up and do away with the specialty restaurants than continue to line the corporate pockets with extra money by eating in the specialty restaurants.:mad:

[tally10]

We've had this brought up many times before, when the cruise line can enforce their rule and not allow you into the MDR if not properly dressed it is a rule, not a suggestion

 

Yes, you are correct. However on all of our Celebrity cruises, not once were we barred from the MDR for "not following the rules." I guess you could put that under selective enforcement which brings up a whole other issue.

[tip]

We've had this brought up many times before, when the cruise line can enforce their rule and not allow you into the MDR if not properly dressed it is a rule, not a suggestion

 

And there is no "rule" that a male must wear a tux or a suit, it is just a suggestion.;)

[Captain Jake]

Wow! 3 dress code threads,Has anyones opinion changed?????????

:cj

[1 HappyCruiser]

Yes, you are correct. However on all of our Celebrity cruises, not once were we barred from the MDR for "not following the rules." I guess you could put that under selective enforcement which brings up a whole other issue.

 

As with all these discussions people only see what they want to see. ;)

[dkjretired]

And there is no "rule" that a male must wear a tux or a suit, it is just a suggestion.;)

 

You are missing the point completely, its a rule if they can enforce it as they used to do. The fact that they don't enforce it doesn't make it less of a rule. In the early 90s when I first started sailing Celebrity, you did not dare enter the dining room without a suit or a tux. No sport jackets, jeans, etc. The same goes for the rest of the ship after 6, if you weren't properly dressed, forget the casino, theater or any of the bars. That has now been diluted to just the MDR on formal nights.

 

They could decide to enforce their rules at any time but for a number of reasons they wont. I have said for a couple of years, either enforce your rules or get rid of them. That is why I think they will have smart casual every night very soon. Just reality but don't say its not rules because it could be enforced tomorrow and you could do nothing about it. I don't want them to go to NCL standards but smart casual is realistic.

[Captain Jake]

You are missing the point completely, its a rule if they can enforce it as they used to do. The fact that they don't enforce it doesn't make it less of a rule. In the early 90s when I first started sailing Celebrity, you did not dare enter the dining room without a suit or a tux. No sport jackets, jeans, etc. The same goes for the rest of the ship after 6, if you weren't properly dressed, forget the casino, theater or any of the bars. That has now been diluted to just the MDR on formal nights.

 

They could decide to enforce their rules at any time but for a number of reasons they wont. I have said for a couple of years, either enforce your rules or get rid of them. That is why I think they will have smart casual every night very soon. Just reality but don't say its not rules because it could be enforced tomorrow and you could do nothing about it. I don't want them to go to NCL standards but smart casual is realistic.

if they went smart casual the ones whinning about the dress cose now would say that tank tops and cutoffs are smart casual

[1 HappyCruiser]

You are missing the point completely, its a rule if they can enforce it as they used to do. The fact that they don't enforce it doesn't make it less of a rule. In the early 90s when I first started sailing Celebrity, you did not dare enter the dining room without a suit or a tux. No sport jackets, jeans, etc. The same goes for the rest of the ship after 6, if you weren't properly dressed, forget the casino, theater or any of the bars. That has now been diluted to just the MDR on formal nights.

 

They could decide to enforce their rules at any time but for a number of reasons they wont. I have said for a couple of years, either enforce your rules or get rid of them. That is why I think they will have smart casual every night very soon. Just reality but don't say its not rules because it could be enforced tomorrow and you could do nothing about it. I don't want them to go to NCL standards but smart casual is realistic.

 

I agree with everything you say & no it doesn't mean that the dining room will degrade to tank tops and cutoffs but just simple casual clothing, such as dress pants & an open collar shirt. The need for the true formal clothing is going by the waste side as airline fees increase & people begin to realize how easy it is to travel without all the extras they once did. The cruise lines, Celebrity included, will do just about anything to entice every level of cruisers to board their ships and if that means becoming a little more casual, they will.

[Captain Jake]

I agree with everything you say & no it doesn't mean that the dining room will degrade to tank tops and cutoffs but just simple casual clothing, such as dress pants & an open collar shirt. The need for the true formal clothing is going by the waste side as airline fees increase & people begin to realize how easy it is to travel without all the extras they once did. The cruise lines, Celebrity included, will do just about anything to entice every level of cruisers to board their ships and if that means becoming a little more casual, they will.

yeah whatever:D ,You are simply ignoring the fact that RCI IS ALREADY enticing every level of cruiser with its seperate brands just like clothing retailers are with different stores.A little more casual=Royal Caribbean,a little more formal=Celebrity.They do not want to lose the dressier crowd that is why they operate different brands.Its smart business practice. Theyare filing their ships and commanding a higher price than RCCL in part because their onboard policy attracts a certain crowd that enjoys the onboard ambiance.They do not want to lose the dollars generated by pushing thses cruisers to another corporation.Business 101

:cj

[DC2OC]

yeah whatever:D ,You are simply ignoring the fact that RCI IS ALREADY enticing every level of cruiser with its seperate brands just like clothing retailers are with different stores.A little more casual=Royal Caribbean,a little more formal=Celebrity.They do not want to lose the dressier crowd that is why they operate different brands.Its smart business practice. Theyare filing their ships and commanding a higher price than RCCL in part because their onboard policy attracts a certain crowd that enjoys the onboard ambiance.They do not want to lose the dollars generated by pushing thses cruisers to another corporation.Business 101

:cj

well said,but some will never realize that

........................Frank:)

[1 HappyCruiser]

yeah whatever:D ,You are simply ignoring the fact that RCI IS ALREADY enticing every level of cruiser with its seperate brands just like clothing retailers are with different stores.A little more casual=Royal Caribbean,a little more formal=Celebrity.They do not want to lose the dressier crowd that is why they operate different brands.Its smart business practice. Theyare filing their ships and commanding a higher price than RCCL in part because their onboard policy attracts a certain crowd that enjoys the onboard ambiance.They do not want to lose the dollars generated by pushing thses cruisers to another corporation.Business 101

:cj

 

There are some things we like about Celebrity & choose them for certain trips even though they do charge a little more than RCI or Princess but as time goes on I doubt they can continue to completely ignore the masses.

[Captain Jake]

There are some things we like about Celebrity & choose them for certain trips even though they do charge a little more than RCI or Princess but as time goes on I doubt they can continue to completely ignore the masses.

but you just don't get it .They are not ignoring the masses .That is why things are they way they are:D.The mases they attract have the time to cruise more often than you do.So not only you are vastly outnumbered in numbers plus the older crowd vacations more.Travel by seniors is unmatched by any demographic.Get use to it.Celebrity will not change for a long,long,long time:D

:cj