steve ch Posted November 6, 2013 #1 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Apparently, ships of more than 96,000 tonnes are to be banned from Venice after November 2014. Enjoy it while you can!:( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare mahdnc Posted November 6, 2013 #2 Share Posted November 6, 2013 http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/italy-divert-cruise-ships-historic-venice-20792904 http://www.cruisecritic.com/news/news.cfm?ID=4917 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baggal Posted November 6, 2013 #3 Share Posted November 6, 2013 (edited) Even though the sail-in to and sail-out from Venice is breathtaking, you can't help but also feel that having such huge ships coming into the canal is an environmental disaster. That being said, I agree, book your cruise now! Edited November 6, 2013 by baggal Grammar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Sixth? Posted November 6, 2013 #4 Share Posted November 6, 2013 (edited) Even though the sail-in to and sail-out from Venice is breathtaking, you can't help but also feel that having such huge ships coming into the canal is an environmental disaster. That being said, I agree, book your cruise now! Not sure what environmental damage you're talking about... Ships have been coming and going for ever, and the big damage to Venice is rising waters and the lack of a storm protection system, though it is nearing completion slowly. The head of the local council, Giorgio Orsoni, says "The 2 million passengers who disembark spend very little, maybe just buying a drink." :rolleyes: Our visit last June was not cheap, nor was it cheap for anyone we spoke with. Venice is not a stop cruisers don't spend money at. Me thinks Orsoni has an agenda based fact source. Sound to me that the local gov't want $$$$ from the charges leveled on the ships, and I bet if $$$$ shows up on the table, suddenly all other worries disappear. :rolleyes::D Edited November 6, 2013 by A Sixth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjrpar Posted November 6, 2013 #5 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Even though the sail-in to and sail-out from Venice is breathtaking, you can't help but also feel that having such huge ships coming into the canal is an environmental disaster. That being said, I agree, book your cruise now! An environmental disaster?? How do you come to that conclusion. I think it's all about $$$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Sixth? Posted November 6, 2013 #6 Share Posted November 6, 2013 An environmental disaster?? How do you come to that conclusion.I think it's all about $$$ The city does not have a complete modern sewage system, meaning its canals are also its sewer system. This poses some obvious health and sanitation concerns. That seems like an environmental disaster. :eek: Ironically the cruise ships visiting must have full sewage treatment systems making them far more friendly to the waters around Venice than Venice itself. :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordoncruickshank Posted November 6, 2013 #7 Share Posted November 6, 2013 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24827324 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Sixth? Posted November 6, 2013 #8 Share Posted November 6, 2013 (edited) http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24827324 Not sure how the environment is safe in the case of 96,000 tons, but not at 101,000 (Triumph Class Carnival) 114,000 (Caribbean Class on Princess) 126,000 (Solstice Class) This statement from the "opponents" along with the desire to get some of the port fee $$$$ likely speaks volumes. Those who oppose the ships argue that they are grotesquely out of keeping with the beautiful old city and that they disgorge unsustainable numbers of visitors into the squares and alleyways, our correspondent reports. Edited November 6, 2013 by A Sixth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JezzaC Posted November 6, 2013 #9 Share Posted November 6, 2013 I don't understand the comments about environmental disaster. It has to be the waves which cause the damage. Clearly this means that Millennium series ships are then the ones from Celebrity which will visit Venice in the future. Currently Solstice series ships are the ones mainly operating in Mediterranean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrierjohn Posted November 6, 2013 #10 Share Posted November 6, 2013 One of the major concerns expressed by opponents is the damage caused by the ships wake and the effect of the water displacement on the buildings. We just returned from a Venice cruise and from my observation there was very little wake from the cruise ships which travel extremely slowly, and when you consider the size of the Venice lagoon the displacement effect must be very tiny indeed. However during our trip down the Grand Canal in a Vaporetto there was a very significant wake effect from all the vessels in the canal which were travelling at far higher speeds than the cruise ships. If this wake effect is not causing any damage to the buildings then why are the Venice authorities looking to ban cruise ships? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Sixth? Posted November 6, 2013 #11 Share Posted November 6, 2013 If this wake effect is not causing any damage to the buildings then why are the Venice authorities looking to ban cruise ships? Someone hasn't been paid and wants respect. :p:cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariawoman Posted November 6, 2013 #12 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Apparently, ships of more than 96,000 tonnes are to be banned from Venice after November 2014. Enjoy it while you can!:( Good thing I'm booked for May 2014 on the Silhouette, then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Sixth? Posted November 6, 2013 #13 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Good thing I'm booked for May 2014 on the Silhouette, then! The most memorable port entry EVER!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariawoman Posted November 6, 2013 #14 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Someone mentioning the sewage in the canal brought to mind the fact that when it was flooded when I last went (october of some year lol) we rolled up our pants and walked barefoot in it. EWWWWW! I didn't know there was "stuff" in it LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UniPac Posted November 6, 2013 #15 Share Posted November 6, 2013 The head of the local council, Giorgio Orsoni, says "The 2 million passengers who disembark spend very little, maybe just buying a drink." :rolleyes::D What about port taxes/fees we pay? Sent using the Cruise Critic forums app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wwcruisers Posted November 6, 2013 #16 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Someone mentioning the sewage in the canal brought to mind the fact that when it was flooded when I last went (october of some year lol) we rolled up our pants and walked barefoot in it. EWWWWW! I didn't know there was "stuff" in it LOL Yikes! A good rule of thumb is never to wade around (without waterproof boots) in flood water. You can pretty much count on "stuff" being in it! :eek: Well, if the powers that be decide to only allow smaller cruise ships in the harbor at Venice -- I can think of a great new role for Century (Mr. Bayley -- are you listening?) :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Cruise Junky Posted November 7, 2013 #17 Share Posted November 7, 2013 Good thing I'm booked for May 2014 on the Silhouette, then! Keep an eye on your itinerary. There's going to be a 20% cut on large ships going in next year, that will be affecting itineraries already in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boogs Posted November 7, 2013 #18 Share Posted November 7, 2013 (edited) Ships will not be banned from Venice. There will be a limit to how many can use the canal that borders much of central Venice. Ships will still be allowed to enter the cruise port from a different direction. There should be no change in the number of ships visiting. One of the reports mentioned that 650 ships visit each year. Yet, it also mentions that only 5 ships per day will be allowed to use the current route. Divide those 650 ships by 365 days and that averages out to less than 2 ships per day. If no more than 5 ships visit each day, it appears that nothing will change. Edited November 7, 2013 by boogs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gianni15 Posted November 7, 2013 #19 Share Posted November 7, 2013 I agree,Sounds like he as an agenda. Time will tell! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Cruise Junky Posted November 7, 2013 #20 Share Posted November 7, 2013 Ships will not be banned from Venice. There will be a limit to how many can use the canal that borders much of central Venice. Ships will still be allowed to enter the cruise port from a different direction. There should be no change in the number of ships visiting. One of the reports mentioned that 650 ships visit each year. Yet, it also mentions that only 5 ships per day will be allowed to use the current route. Divide those 650 ships by 365 days and that averages out to less than 2 ships per day. If no more than 5 ships visit each day, it appears that nothing will change. They will be approaching from a different direction, when the canal opens in 2016 in the meantime they are banned. And your math is flawed, med cruises usually run May through October with a few stragglers in the winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Sixth? Posted November 7, 2013 #21 Share Posted November 7, 2013 What about port taxes/fees we pay? Sent using the Cruise Critic forums app Goes to the port authority and their gov't appendages but not to the organization whining on about the view.... err I mean the environmental disaster unfolding around cruise ships of 96,001 tons and over. :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare TLCOhio Posted November 7, 2013 #22 Share Posted November 7, 2013 One of the major concerns expressed by opponents is the damage caused by the ships wake and the effect of the water displacement on the buildings. We just returned from a Venice cruise and from my observation there was very little wake from the cruise ships which travel extremely slowly, and when you consider the size of the Venice lagoon the displacement effect must be very tiny indeed. However during our trip down the Grand Canal in a Vaporetto there was a very significant wake effect from all the vessels in the canal which were travelling at far higher speeds than the cruise ships. If this wake effect is not causing any damage to the buildings then why are the Venice authorities looking to ban cruise ships? Appreciate the excellent above summary by John, plus other good comments on this thread. YES, that sailing in (plus the sailing out) was a super cruise highlight for us on nice sunny days. Below are a couple of my photo samples to prove it. Yes, get there and enjoy this spectacular experience before it gets shut down. More visuals from the two below links. THANKS! Enjoy! Terry in Ohio Did a June 7-19, 2011, Celebrity Solstice cruise from Barcelona that had stops in Villefranche, ports near Pisa and Rome, Naples, Kotor, Venice and Dubrovnik. Enjoyed great weather and a wonderful trip. Dozens of wonderful visuals with key highlights, tips, comments, etc., on these postings. We are now at 146,013 views for this live/blog re-cap on our first sailing with Celebrity and much on wonderful Barcelona. Check these postings and added info at: http://www.boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=1426474 If Venice is one of your key stops, you might look at this earlier posting that I did on the Italy board that shows many options and visual potentials for this city that is so great for "walking around", personally sampling the great history and architecture. This posting has now had 31,073 views and I appreciate those who have dropped by and tuned in. Don’t be shy in sharing any questions or comments. Venice: Loving It & Why??!! http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=1278226 Don’t miss the sail-out and/or sail-in for Venice. This was our view from the top of our ship as we approached the historic center of Venice. On a beautiful day, as we enjoyed, this is so spectacular!!!: On the sail-in on the Canale della Giudecca, this was the view from the top on the ship's port side. Lots of interesting sights and architecture on this side of the ship, too! This view shows the tower and a side of the San Giorgio Maggiore, one of the most impressive Venetian buildings by famed architect Andrea Palladio. Its first stone was laid in 1566. It contains a number of paintings by various artists, including Tintoretto.: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boogs Posted November 7, 2013 #23 Share Posted November 7, 2013 They will be approaching from a different direction, when the canal opens in 2016 in the meantime they are banned. And your math is flawed, med cruises usually run May through October with a few stragglers in the winter. They aren't banned for another year - November 2014. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Cruise Junky Posted November 7, 2013 #24 Share Posted November 7, 2013 They aren't banned for another year - November 2014. yeah, I know...hard to miss as its on every news story. 20% reduction for next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boogs Posted November 7, 2013 #25 Share Posted November 7, 2013 yeah, I know...hard to miss as its on every news story. 20% reduction for next year. And I'll bet that when they realize the lost revenue from a complete ban after Nov 2014 and until the new channel is dredged from 1.5 meters to 7 meters, which will certainly take more than a year to accomplish, they will back down on the ban until the channel is finished, at which time they'll reinstate the original ban. At some point someone will make the connection that no ships will mean lost revenue, a fact that will be hard to swallow by the profit minded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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