Norwegian Cruise Line Bans Smoking on Balconies

[CasinoCruzGirl]

catlady461..We were told all rooms are non smoking and all balconies were okay to smoke as long as balcony door was closed.

 

Exactly what I was told when I went a year and a half ago but those balconies and wonderful

[Charles4515]

Very true and it's causing some people to leave. Now, NCL (and the other lines) will have to see if non-smokers will fill that void. If they don't, things just may change back (never say never........remember prohibition back in the 20's..........and that was an act of Congress, not just a cruise line's rules).

 

It is not like prohibition. Sales of cigarettes have not been banned. Production of cigarettes has not been banned.

 

As for smokers leaving NCL or other cruise lines. That is fine with me. Fewer smokers onboard is a good thing. Of course I would rather smokers give up smoking as the solution but it is fine if they vacation elsewhere and take their smoke with them.

[Out to sea!]

It is not like prohibition. Sales of cigarettes have not been banned. Production of cigarettes has not been banned.

 

As for smokers leaving NCL or other cruise lines. That is fine with me. Fewer smokers onboard is a good thing. Of course I would rather smokers give up smoking as the solution but it is fine if they vacation elsewhere and take their smoke with them.

 

Really, that's how you want to look at it??? It COULD be exactly like prohibition.......whiners caused prohibition to take effect, the country found out how bad it was for them, and Congress repealed it. Same thing, NCL has banned balcony smoking, if non-smokers don't start buying those balconies NCL could lose more revenue than they thought, and it won't take an act of Congress for them to allow balcony smoking again if they wished. Not saying they will, just saying they can if they so choose.

 

Of course non-smokers want fewer smokers on board but the simple fact is that if more non-smokers don;t fill the smokers void NCL will either raise prices on the non-smokers left or relax smoking policies to bring smokers back. You know the third option of going bankrupt is not going to happen if option 1 or 2 corrects the problem.

 

And I'd rather drinkers give up drinking so I don;t have to deal with their drunk butts but that's not going to happen just because I wish it to just like no one is going to give up smoking just because you wish it to happen.

[JulieAF]

To the poster who stated that Revel Atlantic City was going under because they didn't allow smoking....please do some research before making claims like that.

 

snip....The most immediate and powerful reason Atlantic City's casinos are struggling is because of a glut of casino sin nearby states. Since late 2006, when the first casino opened in neighboring Pennsylvania,Atlantic City's casino revenue has fallen from $5.2 billion to $2.86 billion last year. Casinos have now popped up all around New Jersey; in New York, a Manhattan casino could open before the end of the decade.

 

The casinos failed for years to plan for the day when they wouldn't be the only game in town. For decades, they were content to offer gambling — and little else. It wasn't until the Borgata entered the market in 2003 that Atlantic City realized the need to diversify the experience their customers could receive. That drive to offer spas, gourmet restaurants, upscale shopping and hip nightclubs — now underway with a fierce urgency — comes at a time when most people in the region live within an hour of a casino, lessening the need to drive to Atlantic City.

 

Companies took on mountains of debt to buy or expand casinos in Atlantic City. That wasn't so much of a problem when revenues kept increasing, but when competition and the Great Recession hit with a one-two punch, the debt became crippling. That led to layoffs, delayed new investments and some maintenance. Caesars Entertainment, which is closing the Showboat, has among the highest debt levels in the industry and has been trying to improve its balance sheet by closing some properties. /snip

 

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/07/21/bad-bet-atlantic-city-future-looks-bleak-thanks-to-glut-casinos/

[mpk218]

I just checked the Sun for the December (21) cruise we were going to take..

Most of the suites on the Aft (SE) and all but 2 of the forward (SG) were booked 2 weeks ago .. Almost all are again available today .. :eek:

And no , final payment is not until 9/17 ..

 

Interesting coincidence ??

[gemsm]

I just checked the Sun for the December (21) cruise we were going to take..

Most of the suites on the Aft (SE) and all but 2 of the forward (SG) were booked 2 weeks ago .. Almost all are again available today .. :eek:

And no , final payment is not until 9/17 ..

 

Interesting coincidence ??

 

Apparently the same exact thing happened on Carnival which is why they started backpedaling some 2 days after making their announcement

[hog88]

Apparently the same exact thing happened on Carnival which is why they started backpedaling some 2 days after making their announcement

 

CCL back off the ban on smoking on the balconies?

[DMH15]

Was just on the phone with my CAS PCC and he said no way in hell does NCL ban smoking in the casino not that he really knows but I happen to agree with him he said it's like banning coffee at dunkin donuts which I totally agree with.

 

 

Just wait a few years.

 

I have been saying for years with all the restaurants why not two casinos? One smoking one non?

 

 

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[graphicguy]

There are laws limiting alcohol consumption? Really? I have not seen one of those yet. Apparently you live on planet clueless.

 

Alcohol consumption won't be banned or even curtailed. Just go on a short spring/summer/fall/holiday cruise and see the party revelers, of all ages, getting drunk enough to not only hurt themselves, but those around them, too.

 

Gambling? You're gambling doesn't hurt me directly. But it does hurt a family whose bread winner goes overboard with it. So, yes that hurts others too. Won't be curtailed, though.

 

I drink and I gamble. I don't smoke, but lump in smoking with the above vices. Smoking on a cruise ship won't be banned. Again, too much revenue would be lost.

 

All any of the cruise lines are doing is moving the smoking areas from one place to another. The casinos are now going to have a ton more smokers in a concentrated area than they had before. At least when they had a balcony, it was spread out, and outside. If they allowed ecigs, we wouldn't have to get a smell of anything other than vapor or some of the other flavors out there.

 

In short, if you restrict one vice, what's to say a movement starts out to ban alcohol? Gambling? Mature themes in a show (Rock of Ages)? Where does it stop? Does it actually stop?

 

As I thought, both the smoking and anti-smoking combative zealots have come out in full force I'm hoping these folks are the fringe. And, that the more rational folks, on either side of the issue, prevail. Otherwise, your ability to have a drink, play a little blackjack, watch shows like Rock of Ages, is a step away from being curtailed, too.

[CasinoCruzGirl]

Just wait a few years.

 

I have been saying for years with all the restaurants why not two casinos? One smoking one non?

 

 

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That would be great and what also would be great is if they had one side balcony smoking the other side non smoking but I guess that's to easy to do.

[NLH Arizona]

That would be great and what also would be great is if they had one side balcony smoking the other side non smoking but I guess that's to easy to do.

I don't think having one side of the ship's balconies smoking and the other non-smoking is doable. First, I don't think there is enough smokers to fill the smoking half. Second, would non-smokers want to be put in the smoking section or next to it, I don't think so. I just think the any cruise line that would try this, would have a lot of empty cabins on the smoking side. I personally wouldn't book a cabin in a balcony smoking section or close to it, if there were smoking and non-smoking balconies. I think what the cruise line could do, is dedicate one lounge for smoking; smokers could have a nice inside lounge to smoke in and would be able to have a drink while they enjoy their ciagrette.

[DMH15]

I'm not sure what middle ground you are looking for. All I care about is people following the rules, whatever they may be. Smokers smoking on the balcony do just that (until 01 Nov). Gamblers smoking and playing at a slot machine again are following the rules as written. What more do you want? Non-smokers have over 95% of the ship as it is........how much more compromise needs to be done by the smokers (because I sure as hell don't see any compromise from the non-smoking camp)?????

 

 

You did not "compromise". This was done without your vote. Likewise, most non smokers would like the entire smoke free of smoke. You still have areas to smoke in. Isn't it obvious, this is not about "compromise"? NCL, CCL and others have made decisions. Unfortunately the 20% camp come out on the short stick.

 

I am sorry for rudeness from either side. I don't believe in threats or gloating. Sometimes rule changes affect us personally. And if it is the negative it can be frustrationg.

 

 

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[INDIANA JOE]

Just wait a few years.

 

I have been saying for years with all the restaurants why not two casinos? One smoking one non?

 

 

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I posted this the other day also. Not 1 area inside of the other area like it is now. I would be able to play longer that way too.:D

[Out to sea!]

No but they did say an announcement would be coming in 2 weeks as to the improving of the existing smoking areas after a lot of folks cancelled and/or complained

 

Actually, except for the lack of chairs in their outdoor smoking areas, CCL's smoking areas are not bad. Still have a view of the pool and the ocean and the movie screen. Granted, the smoking area on the Epic was better being directly on the pool deck and right next to a bar so you could get service so maybe CCL will change the location to make the bar more accessible to smokers and maybe they will add some more seating like the Epic has.

[Susie51]

Yesterday I received an e-mail from NCL that smoking will no longer be permitted on balconies for my Nov. 2014 cruise.

[gemsm]

Actually, except for the lack of chairs in their outdoor smoking areas, CCL's smoking areas are not bad. Still have a view of the pool and the ocean and the movie screen. Granted, the smoking area on the Epic was better being directly on the pool deck and right next to a bar so you could get service so maybe CCL will change the location to make the bar more accessible to smokers and maybe they will add some more seating like the Epic has.

 

On the Liberty it was Deck 10 starboard...It was so freakin windy up there it felt like a fire hazard. The day it rained we all huddled under the small roof by the door to go into the elevator lobby and of course all the non-smokers pitched a fit about that. I agree they need more seats, more ashtrays, and near a bar would be awesome

[mpk218]

Change the Ban petition :eek:

 

https://www.change.org/petitions/norwegian-cruise-lines-change-new-smoking-ban?recruiter=130542865&utm_campaign=mailto_link&utm_medium=email&utm_source=share_petition

 

Hhheehe ;)

[KeithJenner]

Change the Ban petition :eek:

 

 

 

https://www.change.org/petitions/norwegian-cruise-lines-change-new-smoking-ban?recruiter=130542865&utm_campaign=mailto_link&utm_medium=email&utm_source=share_petition

 

 

 

Hhheehe ;)

 

 

Just as a minor point.

 

"Truth is, they are losing customers. Most of Carnivals smoking customer base was moving to NCL."

 

Any evidence for these claims?

 

 

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[Out to sea!]

On the Liberty it was Deck 10 starboard...It was so freakin windy up there it felt like a fire hazard. The day it rained we all huddled under the small roof by the door to go into the elevator lobby and of course all the non-smokers pitched a fit about that. I agree they need more seats, more ashtrays, and near a bar would be awesome

 

Having sailed the Liberty twice, I know exactly what you mean. Nothing like trying to light a cigarette during a hurricane (or so it felt). During a rainstorm I too huddled under that small overhang but I did not ever have a non-smoker gripe about it, afterall, that is part of the smoking area. I liked the way the Rpic did it because their's was all under the cover of shade, they had small tables and chairs with regular ash trays on the tables instead of those big communal ones mounted to the railings as on the Liberty. Hoping Carnival incorporates some of those aspects on board. Will find out when I go on the Sunshine in March.

[mpk218]

Just as a minor point.

 

"Truth is, they are losing customers. Most of Carnivals smoking customer base was moving to NCL."

 

Any evidence for these claims?

 

 

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Only what you have read here on these boards... Time will tell .

But many have claimed to have canceled ... I dont think anyone swore under oath. So you will have to take their word for it ;)

[Poohsmommi]

Just as a minor point.

 

"Truth is, they are losing customers. Most of Carnivals smoking customer base was moving to NCL."

 

Any evidence for these claims?

 

 

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Prices don't increase when customers are lost ;) These people are too funny ....

[mpk218]

Prices don't increase when customers are lost ;) These people are too funny ....

 

Someone has to make up that lost revenue , that means you... :p

[KateQ22003]

Someone has to make up that lost revenue , that means you... :p

 

There won't be lost revenue; it will be replaced by non-smokers.

[Casino Comp Chick]

There won't be lost revenue; it will be replaced by non-smokers.

 

That's what the non smokers keep saying but it remains to be seen if that will truly be the case......Somehow I don't think so. Think about it, now RCI, CCL & NCL are going to be fighting for the same clientele, how many new non-smokers that enjoy cruising do you think are out there? Not the numbers you have in your head I bet

[Out to sea!]

There won't be lost revenue; it will be replaced by non-smokers.

 

I understand that is what you are hoping but it still remains to be seen as there is no guarantee that your opinion will come true.