PVSA and cabotage

[Jana60]

Not exactly the same thing. After all, even your presidents refer to you as 'my fellow Americans' and I don't suppose they mean Canadians or inhabitants of Central and South America:)

 

Our borders are so porous that they are practically referring to Canada and South America when they say my fellow Americans in a public address. :rolleyes:

 

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[BillB48]

Just an aside... the quote feature only seems to working when you click on the last post.

 

From Lutece; "Not exactly the same thing. After all, even your presidents refer to you as 'my fellow Americans' and I don't suppose they mean Canadians or inhabitants of Central and South America:)"

 

Many times US citizens are perceived as being arrogant as we call ourselves "Americans" although we share this pretty big continent with a lot of other countries. I think we came to call ourselves Americans innocently... a United Statesian just doesn't have a good sound to it! The U.S. is the only country that uses the term "America" in the name of the country. For example we have Dominion of Canada, Los Estados Mexicanos, La Republica de Panama and so on. So it is easy to see how "American" came to be associated with the United States.

 

I lived outside the US a good while and where I was living in Latin America, they had another name for folks from the US (no, not that one;))! Occasionally they would refer to someone from the US as "Americano"... but generally they would refer to people from the US as Norte Americano, even though that could include Canadians and Mexicans as well. So I guess the inconsistencies will continue.

 

To keep this thread on topic, probably the PVSA would not be much of a topic on this board if every once in a while it did not rear its ugly head and cause some cruiser from no to be able to string three or four B2Bs together. The same ship on the same voyage can be in violation because a passenger happens to stay on too long or get off too early!!

[Gloria Mundi]

The Jones act (for cargo) and the PVSA were enacted to "protect" American flagged shipping. There isn't any

The Pride of America was reflagged as an American ship so it could cruise the Hawaiian Islands without going to Kiribati (foreign port). This forced the cruise line to hire a mostly American crew and pay then at least minimum wage. Read the member reviews to see how this affected service.

 

Uncruise.com has US-flagged ships, American crew and itineraries totally within Alaska. We've taken them twice and service is superb.

Edited November 27, 2014 by Gloria Mundi

[scottbee]

Our borders are so porous that they are practically referring to Canada and South America when they say my fellow Americans in a public address. :rolleyes:

 

No kidding; I can't believe how many Europeans snuck in during the 17th, 18th and 19th century.

[CPT Trips]

Citing one of our senators as a source is usually a very bad idea.

 

Not exactly the same thing. After all, even your presidents refer to you as 'my fellow Americans' and I don't suppose they mean Canadians or inhabitants of Central and South America:)

 

An equally bad idea . . .

[NMLady]

Sort of. It a US law that applies to US ports (not "American")

 

I didn't mean to cause any offence, but could you please explain to a European citizen, what is the difference between them? I wouldn't have thought of using 'US' instead of 'American' as to me they are synonymous.

 

Most people do use American to mean US but technically North America is made up of three countries, not just the US.

[sail7seas]

 

Most people do use American to mean US but technically North America is made up of three countries, not just the US.

 

..... and Latin America as well as South America.

[Kamloops50]

As a Canadian I don't like being called an American. Friends from Mexico don't like to be called American either.

 

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[scottbee]

 

Most people do use American to mean US but technically North America is made up of three countries, not just the US.

 

It's made up of a lot more than three countries... But I'm just being technical.

 

• United States
  
• Canada
  
• Mexico
  
• Cuba
  
• Dominican Republic
  
• Guatemala
  
• Costa Rica
  
• Panama
  
• Trinidad and Tobago
  
• El Salvador
  
• Honduras
  
• Jamaica
  
• Nicaragua
  
• Haiti
  
• The Bahamas
  
• Barbados
  
• Belize
  
• Saint Lucia
  
• Antigua and Barbuda
  
• Grenada
  
• Saint Kitts and Nevis
  
• Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
  
• Dominica
  

[Talisker92]

Uncruise.com has US-flagged ships, American crew and itineraries totally within Alaska. We've taken them twice and service is superb.

Dear Gloria,

You are correct. I did not mention small ship outfits that cruise the Mississippi and Columbia Rivers, or the coasts and inland waterways of the US. They are not the ones that can have a problem with a B2B cruise.

Edited November 28, 2014 by Talisker92

[Kamloops50]

 

It's made up of a lot more than three countries... But I'm just being technical.

 

• United States
  
• Canada
  
• Mexico
  
• Cuba
  
• Dominican Republic
  
• Guatemala
  
• Costa Rica
  
• Panama
  
• Trinidad and Tobago
  
• El Salvador
  
• Honduras
  
• Jamaica
  
• Nicaragua
  
• Haiti
  
• The Bahamas
  
• Barbados
  
• Belize
  
• Saint Lucia
  
• Antigua and Barbuda
  
• Grenada
  
• Saint Kitts and Nevis
  
• Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
  
• Dominica
  

Only the US , Canada and Mexico is in North America . The rest are Central America or the Caribbean.

[RuthC]

Only the US , Canada and Mexico is in North America . The rest are Central America or the Caribbean.

North America is a continent; Central America is not. There are countries on that list on the land mass of North America that are also in Central America.

Edited November 28, 2014 by RuthC

[Cruisin' Chick]

I've seen Central American countries listed as being part of North America, too, many times.

[Lutèce]

Goodness! I didn't have any idea my original query would spark off such a discussion.

Très interessant!!

[Cruisin' Chick]

That's Cruise Critic for ya! (BTW, the quote butto didn't work for me just now)

[Mary Ellen]

Only the US , Canada and Mexico is in North America . The rest are Central America or the Caribbean.

Do you know something that World Atlas doesn't?

North America, the planet’s 3rd largest continent, includes (23) countries and dozens of possessions and territories. It contains all Caribbean and Central America countries, Bermuda, Canada, Mexico, the United States of America, as well as Greenland - the world’s largest island.

[Shmoo here]

According to https://www.countries-ofthe-world.com/countries-of-north-america.html the countries included in North America are:

 

 

Antigua & Barbuda

 

Bahamas

Barbados

Belize

 

Canada

Costa Rica

Cuba

 

Dominica

Dominican Republic

 

El Salvador

 

Grenada

Guatemala

 

Haiti

Honduras

 

Jamaica

 

Mexico

 

Nicaragua

 

Panama

 

St. Kitts & Nevis

St. Lucia

St. Vincent & The Grenadines

 

Trinidad & Tobago

 

United States of America

 

A more inclusive list from http://countriesnorthamerica.com/

 

1 Anguilla

2 Antigua and Barbuda

3 Aruba

4 Bahamas

5 Barbados

6 Belize

7 Bermuda

8 British Virgin Islands

9 Canada

10 Cayman Islands

11 Costa Rica

12 Cuba

13 Dominica

14 Dominican Republic

15 El Salvador

16 Greenland

17 Grenada

18 Guadeloupe

19 Guatemala

20 Haiti

21 Honduras

22 Jamaica

23 Martinique

24 Mexico

25 Montserrat

26 Netherlands Antilles

27 Nicaragua

28 Panama

29 Puerto Rico

30 Saint Barthélemy

31 Saint Kitts and Nevis

32 Saint Lucia

33 Saint Martin

34 Saint Pierre and Miquelon

35 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines

36 Trinidad and Tobago

37 Turks and Caicos Islands

38 U.S. Virgin Islands

39 United States

Edited November 29, 2014 by Shmoo here

[Talisker92]

By about post ten, cher Lutece had it explained. After that it became a lesson in North American geography!

[paul929207]

By about post ten, cher Lutece had it explained. After that it became a lesson in North American geography!

More a lesson of confusion.

[CPT Trips]

More a lesson of confusion.

 

:rolleyes: too true. :rolleyes: