White Bay an error?

[lyndarra]

A terminal near Wickham would be ideal. Using Carrington is too far out of the way, and right next to a coal loader. Ugh.

[GUT2407]

Couldn't agree more.

Building over the line is one way to utilise the space, if they must, they do it big time in Japan

 

I would envisage something sensible using the Sydney model where I can get off at Central and get straight onto a loop service to the Quay etc.

 

 

Which they could do at Hamo or Wickham no probs.

 

However they have to do something the city as it is is a disgrace, I see cruise ships in harbour and I think a beautiful harbour, with a great location 9not the dock itself though), but gee I hope they are all doing excursions 'cause I really don't want visitors seeing the ghost town that is the CBD with empty shops every few feet.

[GUT2407]

A terminal near Wickham would be ideal. Using Carrington is too far out of the way, and right next to a coal loader. Ugh.

 

There are plans, the big problem I believe is that it is too narrow to turn the big ships.

[Kiwi Kruzer]

The ships around the world are getting bigger but the ships based here in Australia are not necessarily going to have issues with size for many a year. P&O have just got another two ships (Aria and Eden for November 2015) which will have no issues getting under the bridge.

 

As for the bridges life span, I would think they will remove all unnecessary traffic off the bridge and into the tunnels (except for the trains and buses) prior to removing the bridge or replacing it.

By then we may have hover boards and cars anyway.;)

 

 

That may be the case now ....but wait until the Extended Panama Canal opens and stand by for what is about to come then.......

.....Australia and NZ aint seen nothin yet

Its not far away.:eek:

Edited February 24, 2015 by Kiwi Kruzer

[GUT2407]

That may be the case now ....but wait until the Extended Panama Canal opens and stand by for what is about to come then.......

.....Australia and NZ aint seen nothin yet

Its not far away.:eek:

 

 

In some ways I am looking forward to it, more variety more tourism $ etc. :D

 

In others I am dreading it, we love the small ship experience and there are less and less of those. :mad:

 

What worries me is that when I look at the OPT schedule in peak time, it's occupied most days, what happens if we get say 3 or 4 more ships that won't fit under the bridge, what do they do with them? :confused:

[VK3DQ]

The ships around the world are getting bigger but the ships based here in Australia are not necessarily going to have issues with size for many a year. P&O have just got another two ships (Aria and Eden for November 2015) which will have no issues getting under the bridge.

 

 

Hi Mick

 

The two 'Old Ladies" just moved into the P&O fleet I suggest are not the mainline future of cruising in Australia.

I suggest ships more like Solstice and some of the larger more modern Princess ships and perhaps some of the older carnival ships are what we will end up with.

 

Very few will fit under the bridge and my prediction is that White Bay will be like the no frills airports around the world serving the second tier of cheaper cruises in the main with the odd smaller luxury ship that can fit under the bridge being more or less compelled t use it.

 

Best regards

John

 

PS and if its not "Graham" we don't wanna checkin ! (Grin)

Edited February 24, 2015 by VK3DQ

[MicCanberra]

That may be the case now ....but wait until the Extended Panama Canal opens and stand by for what is about to come then.......

.....Australia and NZ aint seen nothin yet

Its not far away.:eek:

 

True that will have bigger ships coming here but the small ones will still be here as well for at least the next decade.:D

[MicCanberra]

Hi Mick

 

The two 'Old Ladies" just moved into the P&O fleet I suggest are not the mainline future of cruising in Australia.

I suggest ships more like Solstice and some of the larger more modern Princess ships and perhaps some of the older carnival ships are what we will end up with.

I agree for that won't happen at least for another decade.

 

Very few will fit under the bridge and my prediction is that White Bay will be like the no frills airports around the world serving the second tier of cheaper cruises in the main with the odd smaller luxury ship that can fit under the bridge being more or less compelled t use it.

Also agree but as mentioned the smaller ships will still be around for some time to come and then there is still that share of the market that like the smaller cruise ships.

 

Best regards

John

 

PS and if its not "Graham" we don't wanna checkin ! (Grin)

While I prefer Graham, I will basically use anyone to check me in.:p

[The_Big_M]

What's wrong with developers and why is it such an evil word in politics these days?

 

The White Bay decision was made by the previous labor government. Enough said there about their levels of competence.

 

As for Newcastle rail line - have you ever been into that city. The rail line is a dumb cutting the city in half with hardly anyone using heavy rail. The line had to go as its cutting the city in half.

 

Perhaps development in that city may be good for the cruise industry if we can get more ships there.

 

I don't have a problem per se with developers. They're necessary for improvements.

 

The problem I have is as pointed out before; under the table deals to favour them over the community, at taxpayer cost.

 

The current government equally supported White Bay - and took Barangaroo changes even further with the Packer casino. No credit to either party - they're both equally to blame.

 

As for Newcastle, I just don't agree with you. When the city centre bustled decades ago far more than today, the line was an active part of that. So no, I don't agree that it 'cut the city in half.'

[The_Big_M]

I predict the White Bay terminal will be obsolete sooner rather than later. Cruise ships will be too large to get there.

 

There are either two possibilities. Botany Bay opens up for cruise ships with a terminal there or the life of the Sydney Harbour Bridge is reached and it is pulled down and replaced with a new one. That bridge does have a life span too.

 

You're just thinking about mainstream lines.

 

Check out the regular activity in the past week. Luxury ships make up a similar proportion of traffic and there's no way they're going to go up to 13 stories of passengers...

 

Plus even the mainstream lines don't just want dedicated massive ships. They help economically but the lines know they're just not accessible to all areas. Many destinations in this part of the world do not have large ports with heavy infrastructure.