Overnight away from the ship?

[suncityga]

Looking at the possibility of staying DIY overnight away from the ship between to nearby ports of call. We have stayed overnight away from the ship while the ship also stayed in port overnight without any problems in the past.

 

In this instance, the two ports of call (Kona and Hilo) are less than 100 miles apart and staying overnight would allows us additional time in the Big Island of Hawaii.

 

If you are comfortable with doing sightseeing by yourself and have stayed overnight away from the ship between two nearby ports,... we would appreciate knowing how you set it up with Celebrity and any other thoughts or suggestions you may have.

 

Thanks, :)

[dkjretired]

Looking at the possibility of staying DIY overnight away from the ship between to nearby ports of call. We have stayed overnight away from the ship while the ship also stayed in port overnight without any problems in the past.

 

In this instance, the two ports of call (Kona and Hilo) are less than 100 miles apart and staying overnight would allows us additional time in the Big Island of Hawaii.

 

If you are comfortable with doing sightseeing by yourself and have stayed overnight away from the ship between two nearby ports,... we would appreciate knowing how you set it up with Celebrity and any other thoughts or suggestions you may have.

 

Thanks, :)

 

In your case, you really need to contact the cruise line, since you are dealing with the US ports, it might be a violation of the passenger services act. Not sure how Hawaii fits in with the law but the cruise line can get serious fines.

[Essiesmom]

It indeed would be a violation of the PVSA and Celebrity won't approve it. EM

[sawyer_boy]

Looking at the possibility of staying DIY overnight away from the ship between to nearby ports of call. We have stayed overnight away from the ship while the ship also stayed in port overnight without any problems in the past.

 

 

 

In this instance, the two ports of call (Kona and Hilo) are less than 100 miles apart and staying overnight would allows us additional time in the Big Island of Hawaii.

 

 

 

If you are comfortable with doing sightseeing by yourself and have stayed overnight away from the ship between two nearby ports,... we would appreciate knowing how you set it up with Celebrity and any other thoughts or suggestions you may have.

 

 

 

Thanks, :)

 

 

We have just done this for our up coming 18 day solistice transpacific cruise. We contact our travel agent with the details of the dates we depart and rejoin the ship our travel agent then contacted Celebrity. Celebrity approved this request with our travel agent whom then provided us a letter from celebrity's emergency travel team "Predown line Request" section.

[miched]

Even if it is possible there is always the risk of the ship not being able to stop at the next port. That is somehting that you would have to be prepared for.

 

happy cruising 🌊🚢🇺🇸🌞

[hancock]

If you are doing a transpacific cruise it might be allowed. If you are sailing out of US port and returning to the same port, it is definitely a no-no.

[phoenix_dream]

Does it matter if the OP is a US citizen and the other poster who was able to do so was Canadian? I am not familiar with the intricacies of the laws.

[dkjretired]

Does it matter if the OP is a US citizen and the other poster who was able to do so was Canadian? I am not familiar with the intricacies of the laws.

 

Don't believe it matters, the previous poster is correct that the transpacific might allow it, need more details on that one but the OPs is definitely a violation due to them doing it with two US ports.

[lisiamc]

It's not unheard of to miss a port in Hawaii because of weather. Where is the next port after Hilo? If it's Honolulu or Lahaina, you could still catch up fairly easily. If it's Tahiti, that could be a big risk to take.

Edited February 27, 2015 by lisiamc

[suncityga]

We have just done this for our up coming 18 day solistice transpacific cruise. We contact our travel agent with the details of the dates we depart and rejoin the ship our travel agent then contacted Celebrity. Celebrity approved this request with our travel agent whom then provided us a letter from celebrity's emergency travel team "Predown line Request" section.

 

Thank you... we are glad you received Celebrity's approval in writing for your overnight stay.

 

We are not familiar with the 'celebrity's emergency travel team "Predown line Request" section'.

 

We are contacting our travel agent to request their assistance with a similar approach to Celebrity.

[suncityga]

Thank you for all your replies... we appreciate it very much!!!

[Gonzo70]

Unfortunately it would be illegal to do this on many Hawaiian itineraries because of the PVSA. Unless the cruise ends in a non US port (i.e. Vancouver or Mexico) OR calls upon a distant foreign port (i.e. South America or Asia) you are out of luck. If you post your itinerary people could advise whether or not you stand a chance of Celebrity approving this.

[User135848]

What are the consequences of "missing" a departure. Many have witnessed sprinters not quite making the sail away. Are they penalized if they catch up at the next port?

[Gonzo70]

Depends on the circumstances. In some cases one may not be able to reboard at next port if it would violate cabotage laws. If no laws prevent reboarding often a passenger can meet the ship (at their own expense).

[TravelerThom]

I was amazed that while PVSA has a provision allowing exemption from fines ($300 per person [may have increased]) if a ship has mechanical difficulties that precludes completion of a US based closed loop cruise, it was specifically stated that persons who ended up in a different US port due to medical emergencies would trigger the fine. The only thing I could figure was this to eliminate fake medical emergencies.

 

Thom

[suncityga]

Unfortunately it would be illegal to do this on many Hawaiian itineraries because of the PVSA. Unless the cruise ends in a non US port (i.e. Vancouver or Mexico) OR calls upon a distant foreign port (i.e. South America or Asia) you are out of luck. If you post your itinerary people could advise whether or not you stand a chance of Celebrity approving this.

 

We are doing a B2B... 1st cruise is Sydney to Honolulu and the 2nd cruise is Honolulu to Vancouver (29 days).

 

During the 2nd cruise we stop in Kona first and in Hilo the next day. The thinking is to pick up rental car in Kona and tour the Big Island ending in Hilo the next afternoon to re board the ship. This option gives us lots more time to see the whole island at a better pace and also to see the lava flows at night.

 

If not allowed by Celebrity, we would then tour the north part of the Big Island from Kona and the south part from Hilo the next day.

 

Just part of the planning process... we are waiting for Celebrity's reply.

 

Thank you for all your replies!!! :)

[A Sixth?]

To the OP, ask.

 

The problem btw isn,t getting off, it is getting back on

 

Ps done it but not on X

Edited February 28, 2015 by A Sixth?

[az_tchr]

Let us forget the problem of missing the ship at the next port of call. The rules are simple - you cannot get off the ship that leaves from a US port until the ship stops at a foreign port. It does not matter yuor nationality. If you want to leave at the foreign port of call - fine.

 

There is one exception - pay the fine according to the law. It is about $350 pp when we paid it. I got sick and headed to the hospital in SFO. Was there 2 days. Actually did catch up with the ship in the next port! Paid a fine that was correct according to the law.

 

And yes there is another exception - If you are on a US flagged ship the act does not apply. Lots of Hawaii cruises used to be done that way and there still probably are some.

[Essiesmom]

 

We are doing a B2B... 1st cruise is Sydney to Honolulu and the 2nd cruise is Honolulu to Vancouver (29 days).

 

During the 2nd cruise we stop in Kona first and in Hilo the next day. The thinking is to pick up rental car in Kona and tour the Big Island ending in Hilo the next afternoon to re board the ship. This option gives us lots more time to see the whole island at a better pace and also to see the lava flows at night.

 

If not allowed by Celebrity, we would then tour the north part of the Big Island from Kona and the south part from Hilo the next day.

 

Just part of the planning process... we are waiting for Celebrity's reply.

 

Thank you for all your replies!!! :)

 

I think this would not be legal, because although you are starting out in OZ, and ending in Canada, There are a number of US ports in the middle, and getting off at the second (Kona) would constitute conveying passengers between two US ports (Honolulu and Kona) without visiting a distant foreign port between. Although you got on in a distant foreign port, this portion of the cruise actually is considered starting in Honolulu, and does not contain any distant foreign ports. EM

[Gonzo70]

I think this would not be legal, because although you are starting out in OZ, and ending in Canada, There are a number of US ports in the middle, and getting off at the second (Kona) would constitute conveying passengers between two US ports (Honolulu and Kona) without visiting a distant foreign port between. Although you got on in a distant foreign port, this portion of the cruise actually is considered starting in Honolulu, and does not contain any distant foreign ports. EM

 

Actually it would be legal as the cruise ends in Vancouver - since the voyage ends in a foreign port the PVSA would not come into play.

[Essiesmom]

Yes, I realize this, but since the cruise STARTS in Honolulu, and the OP wants to get off in Kona, it would not be legal as they would have been transported between two different US ports. EM

[Gonzo70]

Yes, I realize this, but since the cruise STARTS in Honolulu, and the OP wants to get off in Kona, it would not be legal as they would have been transported between two different US ports. EM

 

But the OP is on a B2B that starts in a foreign port - so no PVSA violation when they debark to overnight in Hawaii. Then when they start the second journey (when they meet up with the ship after their overnight) that leg ends in Canada, so again no violation. What they are proposing is legal, but they still need to obtain advance approval from Celebirty.

[Essiesmom]

You are not understanding of the PVSA. That would be okay, if the ship was flagged in the US, as the NCL ship in Hawaii is. Back in the 1880's when the law was enacted, there was no such thing as pleasure cruising. All the law says is that non-US flagged ships cannot carry passengers (or cargo, as in the case of the Jones Act) from one US port to another without visiting a distant foreign port, and the closest one to Hawaii is Fanning Island. When they debark in Kona, they are in effect ending their cruise there, and starting another when they attempt to reboard in Hilo. therefore, the ship will have carried them from one US port (Honolulu) to another (Kona) without visiting a distant foreign port. EM

[Gonzo70]

I understand the PVSA quite well, thank you. ;)

[TravelerThom]

I understand the PVSA quite well, thank you. ;)

I'm not claim to understand everything about PVSA, but I think Gonzo is correct. suncityga is being transported by Maltese flagged Celebrity from Sydney to Kona (legal),and then from Hilo to Vancouver (legal). This would NOT be legal for someone who originated in Honolulu, but should be for a through passenger from Sydney.