Rare cbr663 Posted April 16, 2015 #1 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Interesting story on Fortune.com (http://fortune.com/2015/04/15/5-cruise-lines-most-stomach-bug-outbreaks/). HAL makes the list of the 5 cruise lines with the most stomach bug outbreaks. The list includes: Celebrity, tied with Princess Royal Caribbean, tied with HAL Cunard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lddam Posted April 16, 2015 #2 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Interesting story on Fortune.com (http://fortune.com/2015/04/15/5-cruise-lines-most-stomach-bug-outbreaks/). HAL makes the list of the 5 cruise lines with the most stomach bug outbreaks. The list includes: Celebrity, tied with Princess Royal Caribbean, tied with HAL Cunard As long as it stays off the Maasdam from MAY 1 - 16, then I don't care. :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare whogo Posted April 16, 2015 #3 Share Posted April 16, 2015 It was not long ago that Holland America led the industry in norovirus outbreaks. I think it was probably just bad luck, could have been any cruise line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
galensgrl Posted April 16, 2015 #4 Share Posted April 16, 2015 (edited) As long as it stays off the Maasdam from MAY 1 - 16, then I don't care. :rolleyes: Ditto the Veendam May 9th - 16th. We are very frequent hand washers, hoping that helps keep the NV away. Knock on wood, never say never... :D Lorie PS - I like R.E.D.I.S. Hopefully I get to say that some day in the future :) Edited April 16, 2015 by galensgrl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
summersigh Posted April 16, 2015 #5 Share Posted April 16, 2015 We are very frequent hand washers, hoping that helps keep the NV away. Knock on wood, never say never... :DLorie We are too - in fact for the bathroom on our last cruise I'd brought a bottle of "Soft Soap Antibacterial" that we used religiously. I don't imagine it would kill viruses but certainly would bacteria and the extra, extended washings couldn't help but to wash viruses away as well. I figured it was well worth a try :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lddam Posted April 16, 2015 #6 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Ditto the Veendam May 9th - 16th. We are very frequent hand washers, hoping that helps keep the NV away. Aye,...and therein lies the rub. If everyone onboard were to do likewise, Norovirus wouldn't be a problem. My wife and I are appalled at the frequency with which we see someone leave a restroom without first washing their hands. UGH! And Lorie, I don't know how close you are to joining the ranks of the "retired," but when it happens, you'll find yourself smiling an awful lot and for no readily apparent reason.:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeniEncinitas Posted April 16, 2015 #7 Share Posted April 16, 2015 I guess as a retired DDS I am stuck with sanitizing everything. Lysol spray works great in our cabin. We wipe down everything. In the Lido I use wipes to hold onto serving spoons, we always wash hands prior to eating, and remember the condoments on the tables you need to watch those also. We always wash hands after eating, never touch handles on doors or banisters. Never have gotten sick even when there was a Norvo on board. Call it luck! I am sure others will laugh at this, but it works for us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxie99 Posted April 16, 2015 #8 Share Posted April 16, 2015 As long as it stays off the Maasdam from MAY 1 - 16, then I don't care. :rolleyes: And also the Maasdam may 16 -23--:o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon1 Posted April 16, 2015 #9 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Guess, that's why code Orange has been done away with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krazy Kruizers Posted April 16, 2015 #10 Share Posted April 16, 2015 I am not surprised. We have been on quite a few HAL ships that either had the Noro virus on it when we embarked or it broke out while we were cruising. The first time this happened to us was in either 2001 or 2002 when we repositioning from Seattle to Ft Lauderdale and passengers getting on in LA brought on the sickness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krazy Kruizers Posted April 16, 2015 #11 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Guess, that's why code Orange has been done away with. We were told on a cruise that the reason the Code Orange was dropped was because with the reduction in staff, there are not enough workers to man the Lido for 48 hours. Don't know how true this is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sail7seas Posted April 17, 2015 #12 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Wash your hands, wash your hands, wash your hands and keep them away from your eyes, nose, mouth and ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
summer slope Posted April 17, 2015 #13 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Wash your hands, wash your hands, wash your hands and keep them away from youreyes, nose, mouth and ears. And then wash your hands again. Sing Happy Birthday while you wash with lots of soap suds and warm to hot water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sail7seas Posted April 17, 2015 #14 Share Posted April 17, 2015 We were told on a cruise that the reason the Code Orange was dropped was because with the reduction in staff, there are not enough workers to man the Lido for 48 hours. Don't know how true this is. I think that is accurate in addition to some unknown percent of success with the Code Orange on all ships, first two days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iancal Posted April 17, 2015 #15 Share Posted April 17, 2015 (edited) It is one reason why we avoid the buffet, the elevators, and the public restrooms. Edited April 17, 2015 by iancal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare albingirl Posted April 17, 2015 #16 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Some people may be sick from too much drinking. It happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
innlady1 Posted April 17, 2015 #17 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Who is the Cruise Director who signs off every announcement with "Wash your hands, wash your hands, wash your hands!!!" We had him on one cruise...just can't recall his name. We've been on two ships with Noro. Noordam in 2008 and Ryndam in 2013. We managed to be OK...I think because we follow the precautions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare POA1 Posted April 17, 2015 #18 Share Posted April 17, 2015 I'm very surprised by Royal Caribbean. There's long been a correlation between long cruises and Noro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxThrusters Posted April 17, 2015 #19 Share Posted April 17, 2015 To avoid noro, I just use the sanitizer dispensers whenever I pass one, avoid public restrooms, don't touch any railings, wash hands often, and avoid the lido. Of course, if onboard when the ship is in port the only place for lunch is the Lido. I guess I've been lucky so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceMuzz Posted April 17, 2015 #20 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Official Norovirus Outbreaks - as defined by the CDC - are a numbers and percentages game. 2% of passengers on a small ship on a long cruise is very different from 2% of passengers on a big ship on a short cruise. A small ship on a long voyage can have just one or two cases a day and still hit 2% to qualify for an official outbreak. A big ship on a 7-day cruise can have dozens of cases every day and still not hit 2% before the cruise ends. USA has more yearly cases of Norwalk virus than any other country. Ships that leave from US ports usually carry more Americans; this increases the chances of more NLV cases brought onboard. Many studies report that NLV is most likely to infect people with Type O Blood. Who has Type O Blood? Primarily Anglo-Saxons. That may help to explain why USA, Canada, Australia, UK, and Germany have higher percentages of Norwalk outbreaks than most other countries. If your ship is carrying a high percentage of people from those countries, the odds of infection increase. Those same studies suggest that people with Blood Types A, B, and AB - although not immune - are very unlikely to become infected with NLV, even when exposed. Who has these blood types? Many Asians. Ships carrying primarily Asian passengers rarely have NLV problems. It can still happen, but just far less likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icat2000 Posted April 17, 2015 #21 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Official Norovirus Outbreaks - as defined by the CDC - are a numbers and percentages game.2% of passengers on a small ship on a long cruise is very different from 2% of passengers on a big ship on a short cruise. A small ship on a long voyage can have just one or two cases a day and still hit 2% to qualify for an official outbreak. A big ship on a 7-day cruise can have dozens of cases every day and still not hit 2% before the cruise ends. USA has more yearly cases of Norwalk virus than any other country. Ships that leave from US ports usually carry more Americans; this increases the chances of more NLV cases brought onboard. Many studies report that NLV is most likely to infect people with Type O Blood. Who has Type O Blood? Primarily Anglo-Saxons. That may help to explain why USA, Canada, Australia, UK, and Germany have higher percentages of Norwalk outbreaks than most other countries. If your ship is carrying a high percentage of people from those countries, the odds of infection increase. Those same studies suggest that people with Blood Types A, B, and AB - although not immune - are very unlikely to become infected with NLV, even when exposed. Who has these blood types? Many Asians. Ships carrying primarily Asian passengers rarely have NLV problems. It can still happen, but just far less likely. Hmmm. My mother is English and I'm a New Zealander and we have type A blood. Wonder what happened there. My Dad does have O type though. Knock on wood, to date I haven't had noro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare albingirl Posted April 17, 2015 #22 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Who is the Cruise Director who signs off every announcement with "Wash your hands, wash your hands, wash your hands!!!" We had him on one cruise...just can't recall his name. We've been on two ships with Noro. Noordam in 2008 and Ryndam in 2013. We managed to be OK...I think because we follow the precautions. Carlos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hflors Posted April 17, 2015 #23 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Official Norovirus Outbreaks - as defined by the CDC - are a numbers and percentages game.2% of passengers on a small ship on a long cruise is very different from 2% of passengers on a big ship on a short cruise. A small ship on a long voyage can have just one or two cases a day and still hit 2% to qualify for an official outbreak. A big ship on a 7-day cruise can have dozens of cases every day and still not hit 2% before the cruise ends. USA has more yearly cases of Norwalk virus than any other country. Ships that leave from US ports usually carry more Americans; this increases the chances of more NLV cases brought onboard. Many studies report that NLV is most likely to infect people with Type O Blood. Who has Type O Blood? Primarily Anglo-Saxons. That may help to explain why USA, Canada, Australia, UK, and Germany have higher percentages of Norwalk outbreaks than most other countries. If your ship is carrying a high percentage of people from those countries, the odds of infection increase. Those same studies suggest that people with Blood Types A, B, and AB - although not immune - are very unlikely to become infected with NLV, even when exposed. Who has these blood types? Many Asians. Ships carrying primarily Asian passengers rarely have NLV problems. It can still happen, but just far less likely. Very interesting. Thanks for sharing I like everyone else have been surprised by the number of people I have seen who leave the rest room with out washing their hands or by running a bit of water over their hands like they are rinsing the germs away. We were always told to recite the ABC's and when you are done your hands will be clean! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seazond Posted April 17, 2015 #24 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Oh no - I'm type O! I wash very often, with lots of soap and warm water. I don't touch railings and use elbows for doors if possible. I carry wipes with me, and wipe my hands after ordering anything (How many other hands have touched your menu before you?) I carry a small can of Lysol onto the ship and spray the cabin often. I read somewhere that the Purell-type hand sanitizer does nothing for Noro, as Noro is a virus and sanitizers kill primarily bacteria. So it's good for keeping away many other types of illness but not Noro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
summersigh Posted April 17, 2015 #25 Share Posted April 17, 2015 I was pleased to see that on the Eurodam in March there were paper towels and wastebaskets near the exit doors in all of the restrooms I was in so you could wash your hands well and then not have to touch the door handles with clean hands. Knowing that there are those that don't wash well (if at all) being able to use the paper to open the door was a relief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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