Weekend cruises(2 Nights out of NY, BREAKAWAY) OFFICIALY CANCELLED

[cruisegal98]

Received this in an email from NCL today. Its official I rebooked form December 2014 .

 

CANCELLED SAILING INFORMATION

Dear Valued Guests and Travel Partners:

Due to changes in how ships are cleared into and out of the United States, certain short duration cruises without a foreign port are subject to changes in

itinerary beginning in 2016. Unfortunately, the cruise you have booked on Norwegian Breakaway has been affected. Therefore, Norwegian Breakaway's

2-Night sailings from New York on January 15, January 29 and February 12, 2016 have been cancelled. We sincerely apologize for any inconvenience this

may cause.

Norwegian is offering fully deposited reservations one of the following options:

Option 1: Move your reservation to Norwegian Breakaway's December 11, 2015 sailing and the cruise fare will be protected.

Option 2: Move your reservation to any available sailing in our fleet at the current published fare and your deposit will be applied towards your reservation.

Please contact us by Wednesday, July 22, 2015 so that we can modify your reservation. If we do not hear from you by Wednesday, July 22, 2015,

reservations will be automatically cancelled and deposits will be refunded. We are standing by to assist you on our dedicated support line at (877)

461-1160 from 9:00 am to 7:00 pm ET Monday through Friday.

Thank you for choosing Norwegian Cruise Line and we look forward to welcoming you onboard.

Sincerely,

Vivian Ewart

Vice President,

[deladypilot]

Yeah it stinks but they did not have a choice. After December there will be no CTN on any cruise line

[Ilovesailing]

This was known info back in mid June here is a link

 

http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=2221041&highlight=ctn

[cot427]

Any idea what BA is doing during those days? I just checked NCL's website thinking they would make the 12-night cruises into 14 nights, but nothing yet.

[Casino Comp Chick]

Yeah it stinks but they did not have a choice. After December there will be no CTN on any cruise line

 

Not 100% true, Royal still has a weekender in March. They made arrangements to stop in Halifax in the middle of the night with no passengers allowed off. They will stop for an hour or so and take off again.

They were able to do it as the cruise was 3 nights as opposed to NCL's 2.

 

Now I cannot wait to see if my 12 nighter becomes a 14 nighter, Chances are very high as they do not want the ship sitting in Manhattan generating zero dollars (no casino, no bingo, no duty free shopping etc) but I do hope they add an extra port stop instead of adding 2 more sea days.

[garnet115]

This was known info back in mid June here is a link

 

http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=2221041&highlight=ctn

 

Yes, but these emails were NCLs first communications with affected passengers about it. I started inquiring about it when the news first hit, and never got any response that it would be cancelled until the email earlier this week. In fact, I received a phone call about two weeks ago telling me that it was still planned to go forward as scheduled, despite the fact that statements were made in the media to the contrary. I am relieved to have it formally resolved. I was hoping that they might throw in a small credit to boot, but I can't expect much beyond a refund. Unfortunately, I cannot switch to the December sailing.

[cruisegal98]

As you can see in the email I received nothing was offered besides a full refund or change of date. Crazy part is that it says they will honor rate for December 11,2014 yet it cost me $3.46 to make the switch . Lol. Rep was not able to waive the difference I guess port fees changed. Not worth arguing over.

[khaide612]

Not 100% true, Royal still has a weekender in March. They made arrangements to stop in Halifax in the middle of the night with no passengers allowed off. They will stop for an hour or so and take off again.

They were able to do it as the cruise was 3 nights as opposed to NCL's 2.

 

Then it's not technically a cruise to nowhere. ;) :p

[Casino Comp Chick]

Then it's not technically a cruise to nowhere. ;) :p

 

Hence my answer "Not 100% true", and also since the stop in Halifax is not being advertised for the sailing, and since people are not allowed off it is still a cruise to nowhere.

If you are on a cruise to nowhere and someone gets ill and they pull into i port in New Jersey to allow them to disembark the passenger does that change your cruise to nowhere to a cruise to Barnegat bay?

[njhorseman]

Not 100% true, Royal still has a weekender in March. They made arrangements to stop in Halifax in the middle of the night with no passengers allowed off. They will stop for an hour or so and take off again.

They were able to do it as the cruise was 3 nights as opposed to NCL's 2.

 

Now I cannot wait to see if my 12 nighter becomes a 14 nighter, Chances are very high as they do not want the ship sitting in Manhattan generating zero dollars (no casino, no bingo, no duty free shopping etc) but I do hope they add an extra port stop instead of adding 2 more sea days.

 

Royal Caribbean may be in for an unpleasant surprise. DHS might ultimately rule that this isn't legal. It's similar (although not identical) to the type of foreign "port call" that was done for years on cruises to Hawaii from the West Coast which would make a stop in Ensenada, Mexico without passengers actually going ashore to satisfy the requirement that foreign-flagged cruise ships have to make a port call in a foreign country. The government put a stop to the practice, ruling that in order for the port call to satisfy the legal requirements, passengers had to be permitted to go ashore in the foreign port. Now the port calls in Ensenada are "real" port calls, not the "stop and go" type they used to do.

[khaide612]

Hence my answer "Not 100% true", and also since the stop in Halifax is not being advertised for the sailing, and since people are not allowed off it is still a cruise to nowhere.

If you are on a cruise to nowhere and someone gets ill and they pull into i port in New Jersey to allow them to disembark the passenger does that change your cruise to nowhere to a cruise to Barnegat bay?

 

Didn't mean to offend - that's why the little smiley faces.

[yankees111]

Didn't mean to offend - that's why the little smiley faces.

 

 

The last official Cruise to Nowhere will be on the Breakaway in December. Regardless of whether passengers get off the Anthem sailing in March they are still docking in Canada, and therefore is not a cruise to nowhere!

[bbryan5]

Always wanted to do a CTN, oh well!

[zqvol]

Not 100% true, Royal still has a weekender in March. They made arrangements to stop in Halifax in the middle of the night with no passengers allowed off. They will stop for an hour or so and take off again.

They were able to do it as the cruise was 3 nights as opposed to NCL's 2.

 

Now I cannot wait to see if my 12 nighter becomes a 14 nighter, Chances are very high as they do not want the ship sitting in Manhattan generating zero dollars (no casino, no bingo, no duty free shopping etc) but I do hope they add an extra port stop instead of adding 2 more sea days.

 

 

Because the Royal cruise stops in Canada it is not a CTN, it is a short closed loop cruise. If there are ICE issues RCCL can easily fix the issue by making the stop last 6 hours and let people off.

Edited July 10, 2015 by zqvol

[luvtheships]

Has anybody figured out what they plan to do with the 2 night gaps between the ba 12 day cruises yet?

 

 

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[Casino Comp Chick]

Has anybody figured out what they plan to do with the 2 night gaps between the ba 12 day cruises yet?

 

 

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My CAS rep said a few weeks ago they will probably extend the 12 nighters to 14. They were working out the details. We should hear soon now that the 2 nighters are officially cancelled. He told me they would send out emails giving the option of canceling (nope not gonna happen) and they were looking into adding another port stop.

He also said CAS is NOT happy with change to the law.

[luvtheships]

If they are going to extend them at this late date they will be paying out for lots of airfare cancellations and rebookings

 

Anyone booked on these 12 nighters and needs to fly may have well bought their airfare already

 

Ain't going to go over to well to tell them that they are extending the cruise by 2 nights especially if the debark ing pax has a 2 pm flight on debark day

 

My guess is they will berth in NYC at the end and just let the pax stay on if they choose

 

Yes I know many will disagree with this and it will cost money and there may not be space etc etc.....

 

But many pax have already bought airfare so ncl will need to consider that

 

Also even if no airfare is involved other life issues....like jobs....kids...etc come into play so to just assume those 12 day cruises can be extended is not practical

 

It's not like an act of god is causing a n extension .....as in our 2004 hurricane Frances cruise that was extended from 7 days to 11 days.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Casino Comp Chick]

If they are going to extend them at this late date they will be paying out for lots of airfare cancellations and rebookings

 

Anyone booked on these 12 nighters and needs to fly may have well bought their airfare already

 

Ain't going to go over to well to tell them that they are extending the cruise by 2 nights especially if the debark ing pax has a 2 pm flight on debark day

 

My guess is they will berth in NYC at the end and just let the pax stay on if they choose

 

Yes I know many will disagree with this and it will cost money and there may not be space etc etc.....

 

But many pax have already bought airfare so ncl will need to consider that

 

Also even if no airfare is involved other life issues....like jobs....kids...etc come into play so to just assume those 12 day cruises can be extended is not practical

 

It's not like an act of god is causing a n extension .....as in our 2004 hurricane Frances cruise that was extended from 7 days to 11 days.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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According to my rep you will have the option to cancel if 14 days does not work for you. If you purchased airfare outside of NCL it's one of those SOL situations.

[gwsster]

Another reason to repeal the Jones Act. If this is done then there could be more Hawaiian inter Island cruises, or straight from LA, or San Francisco without a Vancouver or Ensenada stop. NCL Pride of America can do this because it is a US flagged ship and pays hefty fees for this, (of course passed onto the customer.)

Itineraries could be improved for the west coast if we didn't have to go to Ensenada. It would be lovely to sail San Diego to Los Angeles to Catalina to Santa Barbara to San Fransisco with overnights. The possibility of increased tourism for the east coast too ...Just sayin.

 

Merchant Marine Act of 1920

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

For other uses, see Jones Act.

The Merchant Marine Act of 1920 (P.L. 66-261), also known as the Jones Act, is a United States federal statute that provides for the promotion and maintenance of the American merchant marine.[1] Among other purposes, the law regulates maritime commerce in U.S. waters and between U.S. ports. Section 27 of the Jones Act, deals with cabotage (i.e., coastal shipping) and requires that all goods transported by water between U.S. ports be carried on U.S.-flag ships, constructed in the United States, owned by U.S. citizens, and crewed by U.S. citizens and U.S. permanent residents.[2] The Act was introduced by Senator Wesley Jones.

 

Laws similar to the Jones Act date to the early days of the nation. In the First Congress, on September 1, 1789, Congress enacted Chapter XI, “An Act for Registering and Clearing Vessels, Regulating the Coasting Trade, and for other purposes,” which limited domestic trades to American ships meeting certain requirements.[3]

 

The Merchant Marine Act of 1920 has been revised a number of times, the most recent revision in 2006 included recodification in the U.S. Code.[2] In early 2015 Senator John McCain filed for an amendment that would essentially annul the Act.[4]

 

The Jones Act is not to be confused with the Death on the High Seas Act, another United States maritime law that does not apply to coastal and in-land navigable waters.

[njhorseman]

Another reason to repeal the Jones Act.

 

No, it's not another reason to repeal the Jones Act because the Passenger Vessel Services Act, which was enacted long before the Jones Act is the applicable law for passenger ships.

 

In any event it's neither of those laws that caused the specific CTN problem...it was the type of visas held by most cruise ship crew.

Edited July 11, 2015 by njhorseman

[luvtheships]

According to my rep you will have the option to cancel if 14 days does not work for you. If you purchased airfare outside of NCL it's one of those SOL situations.

 

What does the rep have to say about ncl STILL showing them as 12 day cruises?

 

Where is the website notification about them moving to 14 day cruises and what about someone who is not on cc going online and booking the ba in jan/feb and then getting their airfare?

 

There is no law saying they must actually call a rep or use a Ta to book is there? Booking via the ncl should be simple AND accurate.

 

If ncl doesn't get their website updated they will most certainly be shelling out the airline change fees.

 

IMHO the reason the website isn't updated is either because they are asleep at the wheel or hoping to still figure a way for the ctns

 

 

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[Casino Comp Chick]

What does the rep have to say about ncl STILL showing them as 12 day cruises?

 

Where is the website notification about them moving to 14 day cruises and what about someone who is not on cc going online and booking the ba in jan/feb and then getting their airfare?

 

There is no law saying they must actually call a rep or use a Ta to book is there? Booking via the ncl should be simple AND accurate.

 

If ncl doesn't get their website updated they will most certainly be shelling out the airline change fees.

 

IMHO the reason the website isn't updated is either because they are asleep at the wheel or hoping to still figure a way for the ctns

 

 

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The ctn's are done, NCL is not responsible for airline fees for anyone no matter what you think. Per their contract they can cancel or reroute at their discretion. There is a lot involved with adding a port (which is what they want to do) it's not like they can park the ship anywhere. I am sorry if you bought airfare already but they will announce it when they finalize it. It will be outside of final payment in case people have to cancel. As they did not offer any OBC to people who were already cancelled I would not hold my breath for any if and when they extend the 12 nighters.

It is your choice to sail or not with or without airline change fees

Edited July 11, 2015 by iimmie

[JAMESCC]

Can some please explain to me what changed that makes these cruises not allowed? I don't get it. Is it a terrorist homeland security thing because if it that is NUTS. A cruise-to-nowhere can't possibly allow terrorists onto the ship from a foreign port, THERE IS NO PORT! I just don't get the whole thing.

[luvtheships]

The ctn's are done, NCL is not responsible for airline fees for anyone no matter what you think. Per their contract they can cancel or reroute at their discretion. There is a lot involved with adding a port (which is what they want to do) it's not like they can park the ship anywhere. I am sorry if you bought airfare already but they will announce it when they finalize it. It will be outside of final payment in case people have to cancel. As they did not offer any OBC to people who were already cancelled I would not hold my breath for any if and when they extend the 12 nighters.

It is your choice to sail or not with or without airline change fees

 

I'm not on the cruise as I've done the ctn as well as the ba 12 day ....nor would I need airfare.....but.....

 

Ncl would get some bad press if they arbitrarily added 2 days to the 12 day cruises with out offering to pay the airline fee changes.

 

 

And as I mentioned the website still shows 12 day cruises....just when does ncl plan to spring it on pax booking now that it "might" become a 14 day cruise?

 

Btw none of this surprises me anyway and it's difficult to defend ncl as they are not accurately saying this on their website.....very bad decision on their part that will only lead to bad public relations

 

 

A letter to pax already booked on the ctn doesn't make any difference....it is the unaware currently booking the 12 day pax that matters. But it seems ncl doesn't care.....and yes immie or Jimmie I know you are a high roller and ncl caters to you with freebies and that might make you a bit biased.....but why on earth are they still advertising it as a 12 day if they full well know it might become a 14 day. Bad management for sure. Nothing to do with maritime rules....just bad management

 

I'm doing the 10 day gem as I got the rock bottom of prices for January and the 12 day ba is ridiculously high as compared to last jan

 

 

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Edited July 12, 2015 by luvtheships

[mjkacmom]

I'm not on the cruise nor would I need airfare.....but.....

 

Ncl would get some bad press if the arbitrarily added 2 days to the 12 day cruises with out offering to pay the airline fee changes.

 

 

And as I mentioned the website still shows 12 day cruises....just when does ncl plan to spring it on pax booking now that it "might" become a 14 day cruise?

 

Btw none of this surprises me anyway

 

 

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They don't usually offer anything when they cancel cruises that have been chartered, except a refund. Many were stuck with flights they couldn't cancel.