abe3 Posted December 12, 2015 #101 Share Posted December 12, 2015 I never understood why a very small minority of passengers were selfish enough to place these in the corridors, creating a risk that others might trip over them. That risk (of injury, and potential litigation) may be the reason this decision was made. I, for one, applaud it and it is the opposite of "punishing the passengers"!:) Great post and spot on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rg24601 Posted December 12, 2015 #102 Share Posted December 12, 2015 Great post and spot on! Spot on? Not really, only if one viewed such behavior as selfish. Those doing it may view it as selfless. Or practical, or insert other reason. Trays are still being left but for now the crew is, apparently, when certain posters walk by, are doing a quicker job to remove them. Three cheers for FDR! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abe3 Posted December 12, 2015 #103 Share Posted December 12, 2015 Spot on? Not really, only if one viewed such behavior as selfish. Those doing it may view it as selfless. Or practical, or insert other reason. Trays are still being left but for now the crew is, apparently, when certain posters walk by, are doing a quicker job to remove them. Three cheers for FDR! Your opinion. To me putting trays in the hallway is selfish and the most important thing is that it is not safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamrag Posted December 12, 2015 #104 Share Posted December 12, 2015 Your opinion. To me putting trays in the hallway is selfish and the most important thing is that it is not safe. Excellent post, and absolutely spot on!:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvtheships Posted December 12, 2015 #105 Share Posted December 12, 2015 I've said this before... We sailed Eastern Caribbean on Getaway in 2014 the last week of May. Our booking promo was $50 OBC. We have booked the Escape for May 2016, same itinerary, same week, same cabin location, and it was the same price as Getaway in 2014. Our booking promo this time was free UBP. That's what I call a good deal, folks. I know some prices have increased, but the blanket statements about prices all increasing to cover the costs of the promos aren't true. You are correct its not always true but where it is more than obvious is when a pax is monitoring prices in anticipation of booking a cruise or in an already booked cruise In my case as I be stated I booked an inside triple at Rock bottom price in early April for jan with a true ksf and I had a FCC also so zero out of pocket at booking. I was very very happy with $1800 total for 3 on a 10 day out of NYC on the gem I book with a big online Ta and of course I still get numerous emails for Ncl promos Shortly after booking I start getting the free amenity emails so of course I think I missed something Nope I missed absolutely nothing...first promo had the true ksf turning into a phony ksf Then by May 1 the added free ubp and udp which were for ov and above so they didn't apply to me anyway....but apparently raised my cabin cost to $2100 anyway. And then Ncl decides at some point to add the " free" stuff to insides and my cruise goes up to $2600 by summer 2015 Since we are 3 pax the free stuff only covers 2 pax so we still would have out of pocket So I crunch some numbers as if I paid out of pocket for specialities and the estimated # if drinks we would have over 10 days and it still comes to less than $2600 Everyone's cruise is different but in my case one day my cruise with zero freebies is $1800 and the next day when the freebies were offered my price jumped to $2600 Ok maybe the price would have jumped $800 anyway but we all know that the actual cost to Ncl to give away the freebies is much much less than $800 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rg24601 Posted December 12, 2015 #106 Share Posted December 12, 2015 Your opinion. To me putting trays in the hallway is selfish and the most important thing is that it is not safe. Have it your way. Not safe? Then FDR needs to ban trays on the ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rg24601 Posted December 12, 2015 #107 Share Posted December 12, 2015 Excellent post, and absolutely spot on!:) Three cheers for FDR! Spot on? Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvtheships Posted December 12, 2015 #108 Share Posted December 12, 2015 You couldn't be further from the truth. FDR prides himself on his hands-on approach to product development. Nearly everything, from the art to the silverware, on Escape was personally chosen or approved by him. He dictates the furnishing of cabins, lounges, restaurants, and just as effortlessly sets forth new passenger policies. The proliferation of new VPs notwithstanding, they are all there to help FDR realize his particular vision of what NCL should be. FDR is NCL. Anyone who suggests otherwise doesn't have a clue. If he's such a hands on manager maybe he should call the inspector himself and arrange a time and date to get the new gem slide inspected before dec 23. IMHO the reason Ncl is getting so messed up is because he micromanages The IT dept is a mess and can't update the website The slide issue on the gem Are just 2 things that come to mind and I personally attribute to fdr micromanaging Fwiw I've known several micromanages in my day and honestly..... They didn't get much done Initiated new ideas and methods one day only to drop them the next Their depts were a mess The backlog was tremendous The knee jerk reactions were laughable They would threaten their subordinates And Were disliked by most who worked for them Finally.... They seemed to move around a lot...dept to dept...company to company Sound familiar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare sparks1093 Posted December 12, 2015 #109 Share Posted December 12, 2015 (edited) Your opinion. To me putting trays in the hallway is selfish and the most important thing is that it is not safe. Most people put the trays in the hallway because they were told to by their steward. Others put the trays in the hallway because that's what they do in a land based restaurant. Still others put them in the hallways because that is what they see others doing. Had little to nothing to do with anyone being "selfish". What it boiled down to is the staff did not remove the trays in a timely manner for any number of reasons. Now the emphasis is on removing the trays timely and viola', no trays in the hallways. (Yes, an improvement that can be chalked up to Del Rio, but not one that I'm willing to pay extra for.) Edited December 12, 2015 by sparks1093 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare sparks1093 Posted December 12, 2015 #110 Share Posted December 12, 2015 You couldn't be further from the truth. FDR prides himself on his hands-on approach to product development. Nearly everything, from the art to the silverware, on Escape was personally chosen or approved by him. He dictates the furnishing of cabins, lounges, restaurants, and just as effortlessly sets forth new passenger policies. The proliferation of new VPs notwithstanding, they are all there to help FDR realize his particular vision of what NCL should be. FDR is NCL. Anyone who suggests otherwise doesn't have a clue. This has been my understanding of how thinks have been working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rg24601 Posted December 12, 2015 #111 Share Posted December 12, 2015 Most people put the trays in the hallway because they were told to by their steward. Others put the trays in the hallway because that's what they do in a land based restaurant. Still others put them in the hallways because that is what they see others doing. Had little to nothing to do with anyone being "selfish". What it boiled down to is the staff did not remove the trays in a timely manner for any number of reasons. Now the emphasis is on removing the trays timely and viola', no trays in the hallways. (Yes, an improvement that can be chalked up to Del Rio, but not one that I'm willing to pay extra for.) Precisely. It is selfish to expect others to conform to one's own views, which may or may not be societal or customary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LrgPizza Posted December 12, 2015 #112 Share Posted December 12, 2015 You are correct its not always true but where it is more than obvious is when a pax is monitoring prices in anticipation of booking a cruise or in an already booked cruise Okay, I also have an example for your scenario then. In June, 2014 we booked the Escape TA. In June, 2015, we canceled and rebooked the same cabin in order to get the free UBP, and saved several hundred dollars. Thanks FDR! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare KeithJenner Posted December 12, 2015 #113 Share Posted December 12, 2015 Okay, I also have an example for your scenario then. In June, 2014 we booked the Escape TA. In June, 2015, we canceled and rebooked the same cabin in order to get the free UBP, and saved several hundred dollars. Thanks FDR! Yes, we did the same with one of our cruises. It was worth it for us even though we lost our deposit on the original booking as we are in the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rg24601 Posted December 12, 2015 #114 Share Posted December 12, 2015 Okay, I also have an example for your scenario then. In June, 2014 we booked the Escape TA. In June, 2015, we canceled and rebooked the same cabin in order to get the free UBP, and saved several hundred dollars. Thanks FDR! Three cheers for the market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rg24601 Posted December 12, 2015 #115 Share Posted December 12, 2015 Yes, we did the same with one of our cruises. It was worth it for us even though we lost our deposit on the original booking as we are in the UK. Three cheers for FDR he very well may have helped with the forfeit of the deposit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mugtech Posted December 12, 2015 #116 Share Posted December 12, 2015 Three cheers for FDR he very well may have helped with the forfeit of the deposit. Was the UK policy before FDR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare KeithJenner Posted December 12, 2015 #117 Share Posted December 12, 2015 Was the UK policy before FDR. It's been that way for years, but I don't think that was the point of the stunningly witty comment you quoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rg24601 Posted December 12, 2015 #118 Share Posted December 12, 2015 It's been that way for years, but I don't think that was the point of the stunningly witty comment you quoted. Absolutely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare KeithJenner Posted December 12, 2015 #119 Share Posted December 12, 2015 Absolutely. :) Hey, we're starting to get on. :) Anyway, I've just thought of another one. I'm sure it doesn't qualify if you are using made up definitions for the word benefit, but the move into Asia is a benefit to a lot of people. It's a shame they made such a mess of introducing it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moby0215 Posted December 12, 2015 #120 Share Posted December 12, 2015 I think not. A benefit must benefit everyone. Food is too subjective. But I hope the Mdr quality went up, it needed too. Fares go up and down, so no benefit to everyone there. The SDP seems to be FDR's baby and that also benefits few, it must be purchased, and even on this thread, it has not been universally cheered. Apparently less trays in the hallways. Assuming everyone cared that might be a positive benefit. But if the trays were there then not everyone cared. This is just comical. Benefit everyone? Absolutely not. I don't have kids so I don't benefit from splash academy or anything else that are for kids but it is still a feature that many benefit from. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abe3 Posted December 12, 2015 #121 Share Posted December 12, 2015 Love People calling others because they support a policy as cheerleaders. The hypocrites are all over these boards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rg24601 Posted December 12, 2015 #122 Share Posted December 12, 2015 :) Hey, we're starting to get on. :) Anyway, I've just thought of another one. I'm sure it doesn't qualify if you are using made up definitions for the word benefit, but the move into Asia is a benefit to a lot of people. It's a shame they made such a mess of introducing it though. China is potential. But if they fail it will impact many more people. Don't see this as a universal benefit, but seeing FDR has few things to hang his hat on, certainly on this thread the broth looks meager, the we can give him this one. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rg24601 Posted December 12, 2015 #123 Share Posted December 12, 2015 This is just comical. Benefit everyone? Absolutely not. I don't have kids so I don't benefit from splash academy or anything else that are for kids but it is still a feature that many benefit from. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Try thinking beyond your own situation. Every kid not in Splash Academy is one likely in your hot tub with goggles, one at the bar crying, one at the pool splashing, one running up and down the hallways. Don't benefit. Now that's comical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare KeithJenner Posted December 12, 2015 #124 Share Posted December 12, 2015 Try thinking beyond your own situation. Every kid not in Splash Academy is one likely in your hot tub with goggles, one at the bar crying, one at the pool splashing, one running up and down the hallways. Don't benefit. Now that's comical. But if there was no splash academy then the majority of those kids wouldn't be on the ship in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moby0215 Posted December 12, 2015 #125 Share Posted December 12, 2015 Try thinking beyond your own situation. Every kid not in Splash Academy is one likely in your hot tub with goggles, one at the bar crying, one at the pool splashing, one running up and down the hallways. Don't benefit. Now that's comical. You just don't get it. A benefit does NOT need to benefit everyone. The splash academy was just an example. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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