NYT article about the "classes" of travel

[cbr663]

Yes.

In the US certain media outlets pound and pound on this theme. Forget personal responsibility. It is laughable they cared the rhetoric to an article about cruising.

I can almost guarantee the real 1% is not traveling on NCL.

 

Thanks for posting the link.

 

You hit the nail on the head. The 1% are the ones who own those private yachts that we see in St. Thomas and St. Martin. Those with the nice blue hulls and set you back $250 million plus.

[iancal]

The market will decide.

 

If people want more options, some exclusive, and are willing to pay then the cruise lines will figure that out and make a buck on it. If not, it will be same old, same old.

 

Does not bother us in the least. We travel no star, five star,etc. Just depends on where the value is and what we happen to want at a given point in time. Lots of opportunities for everyone. Don't understand what all the fuss is about. Perhaps it was a slow news day and the paper needed some filler.

[KirkNC]

Yes.

In the US certain media outlets pound and pound on this theme. Forget personal responsibility. It is laughable they cared the rhetoric to an article about cruising.

I can almost guarantee the real 1% is not traveling on NCL.

 

Thanks for posting the link.

 

I am pretty sure if I was in the 1% I would be on Crystal or one of the other luxury lines not NCL.

[teltrainer]

Victimology:101

 

LOL too funny! I'm sure the editors of NYTimes and top dogs sail only inside cabins too.

[Tampa Girl]

There was a time, back in the 70s, that Cunard had a couple of ships that were single-class. There was no such thing as "Grill Class" dining rooms on those ships.

 

Was one of those the Franconia? Now that was a bucket! We took it from NYC to Puerto Rico in the 70's. Not my favorite memory.

[RedneckBob]

Yours truly Redneck Bob was invited to one of those restricted/high end get togethers for only the elite on one of our cruises long time ago. We felt priviledged I thought even though we were in Cabin 776 on the Maasdam; inside A deck.

 

Well do you know this man came up to me at this here party and said and I quote;

 

"Isn't it nice to have a party with the Captain and the Officers so we don't have to mingle with those other people."

 

Well, I be dogged. I looked at the man and said, "I'm Redneck Bob and I am one of those other people" :eek:

Absolutely true story!

[blizzardboy]

I'm going to take heat for being a snob, but NCL mass markets to a different type of cruiser than HAL. It's emphasis on a casual party atmosphere has cost it some higher-end customers. The Haven is just the pendulum swinging the other way.

We're looking at NCL and an Owner's Suite (only suite w/king bed) for an 18-day SE Asian & India - Singapore to Dubai leg of a Grand Voyage on the smaller, non-Haven NCL Star in 2018 so I've been reading up on NCL suite offerings. I can see a lot of pros with the Haven on a ship with 3900 passengers or more!

[RuthC]

Was one of those the Franconia? Now that was a bucket! We took it from NYC to Puerto Rico in the 70's. Not my favorite memory.

I was thinking specifically about the Cunard Princess (which I sailed), and her sister the Cunard Countess.

Edited April 25, 2016 by RuthC

[Adoptionmsw]

I'm going to take heat for being a snob, but NCL mass markets to a different type of cruiser than HAL. It's emphasis on a casual party atmosphere has cost it some higher-end customers. The Haven is just the pendulum swinging the other way.

 

We're looking at NCL and an Owner's Suite (only suite w/king bed) for an 18-day SE Asian & India - Singapore to Dubai leg of a Grand Voyage on the smaller, non-Haven NCL Star in 2018 so I've been reading up on NCL suite offerings. I can see a lot of pros with the Haven on a ship with 3900 passengers or more!

 

 

 

The conclusion I took away from the NYT article is that restricted areas are a lot more important on these huge ships. I can't imagine what it would be like to cruise on a ship that holds 6,000, potentially 2,000 of them children. Hubby and I will stick with the longer cruises on the smaller HAL ships.

 

Not sure why all the vitriol over the NY Times. Don't read it if you don't like it.

Edited April 25, 2016 by Adoptionmsw

[OlsSalt]

Each HAL satisfaction survey I tell them to ditch the NYT as their ship "newspaper" link - amazing bias, beyond the pale.

[OlsSalt]

NCL and RCCL have zero-interest itineraries for us, no matter what their level of suite amenities.

 

If one wants suite amenities only, as the article purports to tout or criticize, good grief stay in a land based resort. Not even a hint that cruise travel in this article was about ........travel? :eek:

[Adoptionmsw]

Each HAL satisfaction survey I tell them to ditch the NYT as their ship "newspaper" link - amazing bias, beyond the pale.

 

 

 

Since the Times pays for the Explorations Lounge area, I don't see that happening anytime soon. It only seems like bias if you're accustomed to getting your info from Faux News.

[OlsSalt]

Since the Times pays for the Explorations Lounge area, I don't see that happening anytime soon. It only seems like bias if you're accustomed to getting your info from Faux News.

 

Sorry, but Wall Street Journal work better for me. Or Christian Science Monitor.

 

The NYT bias is laughable which is all it is good for at sea- some good laughs each day, and a vivid demonstration how bias creeps (or hits you on the side of the head with a 2x4) into what passes for "journalism" today.

[OlsSalt]

I remember reading NCL paid a lot of attention to its casino passengers, so I assume these private ship areas would be dedicated more for that specialty niche clientele.

 

And for the new market of upper middle class international gamblers - particularly the Chinese where entire Asian cruise lines are dedicated primarily to the gambling experience, including their port destination resorts - e.g.. Star Cruise Lines.

[sail7seas]

Airlines have had first class forever. This is nothing more than trying to attract a passenger that would otherwise sail on a much more upscale line than NCL. I don't see anything wrong with that. I get what I pay for. Someone with more discretionary money is paying for and getting more.

 

 

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Concierlevel rooms are very commonpaymore, getmore.

Edited April 25, 2016 by sail7seas

[avian777]

... The nyt bias is laughable which is all it is good for at sea- some good laughs each day, and a vivid demonstration how bias creeps (or hits you on the side of the head with a 2x4) into what passes for "journalism" today.

 

... Amen!!!

Edited April 26, 2016 by avian777

[Lakesregion]

I agree with this up to a point. I don't begrudge passengers paying more for a larger cabin with its associated perks. However, I do think things are going a bit far when areas on some ships are specifically and only for certain passengers' use. Special dining rooms, special pool areas, and so on.

 

I suppose I have been cruising too long; attitudes have really shifted from the early days of cruising when all passengers were more or less equal once they stepped outside their cabin door. All ate at the same dining room, all used the same pool. And people (or at least so they said) preferred this to what at the time was thought of as the class system on the old ocean liners.

 

It is interesting how things go round in circles. You began cruising when all were fully equal. Before that, most ships offered three classes and one had to remain in the space offered for that class.

 

Even HAL treats certain passengers better than others. On world cruises inside cabin passengers do not get their gratuities paid by HAL those buying the better cabins do.

 

As to NCL:. Putting lip stick on certain cabins still makes it NCL try as they may.

[Tarpeian Rock]

Each HAL satisfaction survey I tell them to ditch the NYT as their ship "newspaper" link - amazing bias, beyond the pale.

 

 

Oh so true. Those who criticize Fox seem unaware that the so-called "paper of record," the NYT, has become widely regarded as the National Fishwrap, so comically biased their advocacy "reporting" has become. Clearly the journalistic gods of the NYT would be much more pleased if all of us sailed on the good ship Karl Marxdam with its rigidly enforced uniform treatment, food, and accommodations for all. Not that the no doubt highly-paid executives of the paper would vacation that way, of course. And apparently, based on the article, I should publicly apologize for having taken my family to Discovery Cove once, also. Rubbish.

Edited April 26, 2016 by Tarpeian Rock

[blizzardboy]

NCL and RCCL have zero-interest itineraries for us, no matter what their level of suite amenities.

 

If one wants suite amenities only, as the article purports to tout or criticize, good grief stay in a land based resort. Not even a hint that cruise travel in this article was about ........travel? :eek:

 

Our recent interest in NCL for 2018 came about strictly due to a great itinerary. We love HAL and are in a NS aboard the Eurodam next January, but NCL's March 2017, 18-day Singapore to India ending at Dubai blew us away, hitting ports HAL doesn't visit. If they offer it for March 2018 we're there. The Norwegian Star is a non-Haven ship comparable in size to the E'dam or NA. It'll be an interesting comparison. We'll be in one of Owner's Suites with 2 balconies since they offer the only king beds on the ship...at least that's my excuse!

[OlsSalt]

Our recent interest in NCL for 2018 came about strictly due to a great itinerary. We love HAL and are in a NS aboard the Eurodam next January, but NCL's March 2017, 18-day Singapore to India ending at Dubai blew us away, hitting ports HAL doesn't visit. If they offer it for March 2018 we're there. The Norwegian Star is a non-Haven ship comparable in size to the E'dam or NA. It'll be an interesting comparison. We'll be in one of Owner's Suites with 2 balconies since they offer the only king beds on the ship...at least that's my excuse!

 

That does sound like a good NCL itinerary. Good for you for finding it. We love that area and keep going back to it - though India today makes us crazy with all their port entry requirements and visa hurdles. Have a wonderful trip - much to dazzle from beginning to end. That was the itinerary that got us started on cruising almost 10 years ago and we never looked back.

[kangforpres]

Thanks for replying to my OP everyone, I guess here's what I've learned.

 

1. Some CC'ers really, really hate the NYT for some reason, they claim the bias inherit in the NYT makes them physically ill. Yet these same posters also post the most vitriolic commentary and opinionated postings (Funny how that always works out)

 

2. Most HAL CC'ers are glad HAL is still mostly a class(less) line with the exceptions of what Neptune Suites get you.(everyone agrees if you pay more you should get more)

 

3. Most HAL loyalists would not want to sail on NCL or RCCL even if they won a cruise(But that in no way makes us snobs like the Crystal or Seaborn set).

 

4. I'm still impressed by the regulars who post with rational and calm thoughts about subjects beyond Gala Nights, It makes me proud to a HAL loyalist and hope to see you on board soon.

 

-Paul

[avian777]

... Some CC'ers really, really hate the NYT for some reason, they claim the bias inherit in the NYT makes them physically ill. Yet these same posters also post the most vitriolic commentary and opinionated postings (Funny how that always works out) ... -Paul

 

... it's a good thing that the NYT and its apologists don't engage in senseless (and often inaccurate) stereotyping and exaggeration ...

Edited April 27, 2016 by avian777

[blizzardboy]

... it's a good thing that the NYT and its apologists don't engage in senseless (and often inaccurate) stereotyping ...

 

LMAO!! Need I translate?

[OlsSalt]

Kanga: 1. Some CC'ers really, really hate the NYT for some reason, they claim the bias inherit in the NYT makes them physically ill. Yet these same posters also post the most vitriolic commentary and opinionated postings (Funny how that always works out)

 

This is not an example of hypocrisy- just evidence there is bias in both the NYT and CC comments.

[Viesczy]

Leave it to the New York Times to make a political statement about a cruise. This is not an egalerterian country. We have always had people that could afford more and spent more. Mass market cruise lines are seeing their passengers going to seebourne or silversea or regent. This is a way to try to keep them in the family.

Somehow I think "Pinch" is very picky who gets into the private clubs he belongs to. New Yorkers like myself might remember what happened when patti Davis , pres reagan's daughter tried to dare move into the building he lied in.

Article about nothing.

 

 

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Excuse me? We're not a country of equal rights? Was the Constitution recently suspended? Hmm... maybe it has been reflecting on everything...

 

Rich white business men who steal billions don't go to jail (Jamie Dimon anyone) but poor black men are choked to death in NYC for selling cigarettes.

 

So really the article wasn't so much a political statement but just an acknowledgement of fact that I guess, but any further discussion is for a different thread or site.

 

Now back to the cruise aspect, if someone has the $ and wants to pay the $ for a service, have at it! Unless you spend the $ you earn, it has no value!