swoopy2110 Posted September 13, 2016 #51 Share Posted September 13, 2016 Rip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purplerock Posted September 14, 2016 #52 Share Posted September 14, 2016 I am so sad about the loss of life and injuries. If you learn the names of the crew i would appreciate learning them. Best wishes to all the injured for a swift recovery. Hope you can go on to Italy soon. Sent from my iPhone using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoGurl Posted September 14, 2016 #53 Share Posted September 14, 2016 (edited) Didn't this happen another time a couple months ago? I recall a thread where this happened over the summer on a different ship, still RC I think. Sent from my iPhone using Forums Edited September 14, 2016 by ColoradoGurl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pipo Posted September 14, 2016 #54 Share Posted September 14, 2016 What are they going to do with the life boat? Is Harmony sailing with one less boat now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adjjb12 Posted September 14, 2016 #55 Share Posted September 14, 2016 Didn't this happen another time a couple months ago? I recall a thread where this happened over the summer on a different ship, still RC I think. Sent from my iPhone using Forums It was an NCL ship docked doing a drill in Bermuda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pipo Posted September 14, 2016 #56 Share Posted September 14, 2016 Here Jim Walker makes a compilation of similar accidents: http://www.cruiselawnews.com/2016/09/articles/crew-member-rights-1/lifeboard-accident-on-harmony-of-the-seas-kills-one-and-injures-several-others/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Single Cruiser Posted September 14, 2016 #57 Share Posted September 14, 2016 What are they going to do with the life boat? Is Harmony sailing with one less boat now? Harmony and said boat are currently sailing nowhere. Capt said he's update by 8AM latest which is just over an hours time Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeck Posted September 14, 2016 #58 Share Posted September 14, 2016 Harmony and said boat are currently sailing nowhere. Capt said he's update by 8AM latest which is just over an hours time Sent from my iPhone using Forums I hope you get to sail today. Probably at sea then Rome tomorrow?? Sent from my E5823 using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshrich Posted September 14, 2016 #59 Share Posted September 14, 2016 So sad, prayers for all concerned, having been on Oasis and seen the lifeboats close up you realise just how huge they are compared to seeing them in photo's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Single Cruiser Posted September 14, 2016 #60 Share Posted September 14, 2016 8AM update: two of the four injured crew members released by hospital and were back onboard last night. Other two still recovering in hospital. The maritime police has to do some more interviews this morning, write up report and submit to local magistrate. No departure time. Next scheduled update in 3 hours time (11AM local) Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Single Cruiser Posted September 14, 2016 #61 Share Posted September 14, 2016 11AM update. No set time for departure but he is hoping in next few hours and then we will head straight to civitavecchia at top speed Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Single Cruiser Posted September 14, 2016 #62 Share Posted September 14, 2016 They took the lifeboat away earlier. Seen on bow camera Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeck Posted September 14, 2016 #63 Share Posted September 14, 2016 Looks like you will leave without it. Might be getting repaired for pick up on next visit to Marseille Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iata Posted September 14, 2016 #64 Share Posted September 14, 2016 Thank you for the update, i'm onboard and could not hear anything on the PA system, i was on an open deck and lot of noise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarea Posted September 14, 2016 #65 Share Posted September 14, 2016 What are they going to do with the life boat? Is Harmony sailing with one less boat now? I remember Explorer lost a life boat not that long ago and was able to sail their normal itineraries until the life boat was replaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruise a holic Posted September 14, 2016 #66 Share Posted September 14, 2016 So sad! now the ship will be sailing with one less lifeboat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClawhammerBanjo Posted September 14, 2016 #67 Share Posted September 14, 2016 (edited) 380 miles to Civ. (have to go around Corsica) 25 MPH max cruising speed. 380 / 25 = 15.2 hours My guess: to arrive on schedule at 7am need to leave by 3:30pm. Edited September 14, 2016 by ClawhammerBanjo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
setsail Posted September 14, 2016 #68 Share Posted September 14, 2016 (edited) So sad! now the ship will be sailing with one less lifeboat? All rci ships have life rafts to cover any overflow http://boards.cruisecritic.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=256002&d=1356982216 Edited September 14, 2016 by setsail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare steamboats Posted September 14, 2016 #69 Share Posted September 14, 2016 I remember Explorer lost a life boat not that long ago and was able to sail their normal itineraries until the life boat was replaced. I remember the Oasis sailing without two life boats right in the beginnig - but they had to lower the passenger count and weren´t allowed to sail full. Single Cruiser mentioned that they are sailing with 6.217 passengers. According to my data the Harmony has a max of 8,880 people (6,780 pax, 2,300 crew). They have 18 life boats for 370 people (16 crew, 354 pax). So there is space for 6,372 passengers in the life boats - minus one is 6,018. It depends on how many life rafts they do have onboard as they need to cover 120 or 125% of the head count onboard (not sure about the correct percentage without digging deeper in research). So it depends on the actual number of crew and it will be a close call on whether they are allowed to sail without one lift boat or not. steamboats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cel_cruise Posted September 14, 2016 #70 Share Posted September 14, 2016 I remember the Oasis sailing without two life boats right in the beginnig - but they had to lower the passenger count and weren´t allowed to sail full. Single Cruiser mentioned that they are sailing with 6.217 passengers. According to my data the Harmony has a max of 8,880 people (6,780 pax, 2,300 crew). They have 18 life boats for 370 people (16 crew, 354 pax). So there is space for 6,372 passengers in the life boats - minus one is 6,018. It depends on how many life rafts they do have onboard as they need to cover 120 or 125% of the head count onboard (not sure about the correct percentage without digging deeper in research). So it depends on the actual number of crew and it will be a close call on whether they are allowed to sail without one lift boat or not. steamboats I'm having a hard time with this math. Are you saying that the lifeboat capacity is not enough for a max capacity ship? Or are you using the 'max berths' number to represent max capacity? .....I think it's the later but just checking... Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClawhammerBanjo Posted September 14, 2016 #71 Share Posted September 14, 2016 (edited) I'm having a hard time with this math. Are you saying that the lifeboat capacity is not enough for a max capacity ship? Or are you using the 'max berths' number to represent max capacity? .....I think it's the later but just checking... This ship has two types: - 18 large, rigid, yellow lifeboats, 370 capacity each. - unknown quantity of inflatable life rafts The life rafts are stored in canisters and have an inflatable chute to get into them from deck five. The yellow lifeboats just about cover the passengers, but not the crew. I presume the crew would use the inflatable rafts. Edited September 14, 2016 by ClawhammerBanjo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted September 14, 2016 #72 Share Posted September 14, 2016 I'm having a hard time with this math. Are you saying that the lifeboat capacity is not enough for a max capacity ship? Or are you using the 'max berths' number to represent max capacity? .....I think it's the later but just checking... Sent from my iPhone using Forums SOLAS requires 125% of maximum capacity be provided with lifesaving equipment (boats or rafts). The minimum amount of lifeboats required are 37.5% on each side, or 75% of total capacity, which is met by Harmony's 18*370 lifeboats (6660). The remainder of pax and crew may be accommodated in rafts or Marine Evacuation Systems. While the boats on Harmony normally have 16 crew assigned, this is not required, and they could reduce this down to the mandatory 3-4 per boat. I remember the Oasis sailing without two life boats right in the beginnig - but they had to lower the passenger count and weren´t allowed to sail full. Single Cruiser mentioned that they are sailing with 6.217 passengers. According to my data the Harmony has a max of 8,880 people (6,780 pax, 2,300 crew). They have 18 life boats for 370 people (16 crew, 354 pax). So there is space for 6,372 passengers in the life boats - minus one is 6,018. It depends on how many life rafts they do have onboard as they need to cover 120 or 125% of the head count onboard (not sure about the correct percentage without digging deeper in research). So it depends on the actual number of crew and it will be a close call on whether they are allowed to sail without one lift boat or not. steamboats Because the voyage between Marseilles and Civitavecchia is less than 600 miles, and the ship will not be more than 200 miles from shore, it can be classed as a "short international voyage", and the requirement for total lifesaving capacity reduced from 125% to 100%. Or, they could put crew ashore (if they are at max crewing) to get below the 125% requirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazzerfrog Posted September 14, 2016 #73 Share Posted September 14, 2016 We are now setting sail and heading for Civitavecchia. So there must be enough lifeboats. Sent from my SM-G935F using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BNL62 Posted September 14, 2016 #74 Share Posted September 14, 2016 First, my thoughts and prayers go out to the deceased and injured crew members, as well as their family and friends. It's such a tragedy. I'm confused on the entire scenario around lowering the life boats and people saying there shouldn't be crew members in the boat for drills. In a real emergency, wouldn't there be passengers in the LB as it gets lowered? If so, with the added panic of a real emergency situation and additional lives at stake, wouldn't we want someone that has the hands on experience manning the operation? Also, it sounds like this is not exactly uncommon to have accidents while executing the drills. That is a huge safety concern for the crew members that have to execute the drills. I really hope the cruise lines or SOLAS or who ever the proper agency would be is working on ways to make the entire event safer for everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Single Cruiser Posted September 14, 2016 #75 Share Posted September 14, 2016 (edited) We are sailing! Clearance received into civitavecchia tmrw at 7AM Sent from my iPhone using Forums Edited September 14, 2016 by Single Cruiser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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