how strict are they on age in the bars?

[First and Ten]

Serenity has been full of middle aged or older people very inebriated and being anything but serene. I wouldn't want to bring someone under age there to begin with in MY experience.

 

I take offense to that Nomad, I was not that inebriated!!!! :p

[kc58ab]

So your expectation is Carnival put in stopgaps and checks in essence to lockdown and enforce the rules as opposed to people being mature adults and just following the rules....and if you get away with breaking the rule, its on Carnival for not "catching" you....C'monnnnnnnn, seriously?

 

In good fun, let me throw this out there. How do we know this is a rule and not a suggestion? I recall my agreement with Carnival mentioning drinking and non smoking "rules" but not the Serenity area or Comedy.

 

I also recall someone posting about a youngster in the Serenity area that had some type of condition that they were there for a quieter place and shocker someone was upset bc they weren't old enough and complained. Yet Carnival allowed the kid to stay there bc they weren't causing any problems. Look up that thread.

 

So I guess I'm going to stand by Carnival doesn't take it as a serious "rule" themselves. Again like I already said wristbands or scanning are a simple option to lock this down if they deem it important enough.

[deborahjo]

I don't mean this to insult anyone, its just an observation (altho I will probably get flamed....lol, oh well). Why do people even consider its ok to just disregard the age rule? The "R" rated comedy show is 18+....it says it on Fun Times, they make announcement before the show. If you are in the comedy show with your under 18 child, they have to leave....If its necessary that you all have to stay together, you all need to leave and go to something else that is "family friendly"....Why is this even a question? I think this just as much, if not more to any ship club that is deemed 21+. I would ask people if they would take their under age kid into a club meant for adults (21 and over) on land? If not, why would you do it on the ship. Don't they have "teen clubs" up to 18 yrs old? My personal opinion, if I go to an adult event, I want to hang out with adults, not kids. So before people start taking my post to an extreme and twisting it where you are going to accuse me of calling your parenting skills into question, I am not doing that. I am just stating that if there is an age restriction at a certain venue, why cant we just follow that instead of looking for a loophole?

 

 

 

Like Button. Some people think rules don't pertain to them.

 

 

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[deborahjo]

On my first cruise I was 20 turning 21 in two weeks and they let me drink alcohol. I was also with my mother and she said it was fine as if I needed her permission but depending how mature they are might make a difference on getting the slip into the clubs and when they will be turning 18.

 

 

 

That's really strange. Carnival can get in serious trouble for allowing this. Fines and people could and should have lost their jobs if you were drinking under 21.

 

 

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[kc58ab]

LOVE this idea. Certain color wristbands for 18 and up, and another for 21 and up. I hope Carnival does this. Except not make them as easy to get on and off like the Havana ones so they don't get put on eBay. Or maybe require they get turned back in at the end of the cruise or get billed.

 

Better yet they should go to color coded S&S cards like Celebrity. Minors have Blue and the loyalty tier is printed on the card.

 

Although when the Ocean Medallion thing comes about, they should be able to weed out the offenders at the door right off the bat. It's going to be great!

 

Me too as now my son is 18 and daughter is 21 as of our next cruise ;p What is Ocean Medallion?

[Alaskan Joe]

They will be strict about them getting into the disco when it's only supposed to be 18+. There is security at the door checking I.D.'s. As far as the other clubs go, such as the Piano bar, adult comedy club, etc they really don't enforce the age limit. I will say that if they started acted "immature" then there age would probably be called into question and they would be asked to leave.

 

This is exactly right, security is at the door every night, and at every late night club on any of the cruise lines (at least all the ones we have been on). My DW and I are late night people and frequent the light night clubs also and security does enforce this policy. As for the other clubs (mentioned above) they are kind of lacks a daisy, although one time they came into the late night lounge for the adult comedy and was questioning some ages and some had to leave (I believe this was RCCL). With18+ you are find but 17 and under good luck.

[firemanbobswife]

In good fun, let me throw this out there. How do we know this is a rule and not a suggestion? I recall my agreement with Carnival mentioning drinking and non smoking "rules" but not the Serenity area or Comedy.

 

I also recall someone posting about a youngster in the Serenity area that had some type of condition that they were there for a quieter place and shocker someone was upset bc they weren't old enough and complained. Yet Carnival allowed the kid to stay there bc they weren't causing any problems. Look up that thread.

 

So I guess I'm going to stand by Carnival doesn't take it as a serious "rule" themselves. Again like I already said wristbands or scanning are a simple option to lock this down if they deem it important enough.

 

Well they do say at the beginning of the comedy show that anyone under the age of 18 needs to get the F out! Yes they say the word. Nowhere does it say "Suggested age of 18 or up" just like Serenity doesn't say "Suggested for the 21 and older crowd". It's posted and reiterated. Like the casino says you must be 18 or up. I'm sure there may be some type of law linked to that although most casinos in the states are 21 and up. I do know of some that are 18 and over, though but they aren't as common. Not sure how all that works, though.

 

As you can see by the FunTimes they are all listed the same. Nowhere does it say "suggested" age. I just wish people would follow the rules so that Carnival didn't have to babysit. But as we have seen today, it appears that there are some that consider it beneath them and only care to comply if it is actually enforced. I would love to see Carnival enforce EVERY SINGLE RULE they have or do away with it all together. Otherwise what's the point? IMHO they never will though because they are too afraid of upsetting the guests and in turn they will be mad at the crew and pull gratuities. So until they are mandatory, sadly Carnival will be afraid to do anything about it.

[MasterMason]

The answer to your question is - "It's my vacation, and I will do what I want, justifying it any which way, providing it means that I will do what I want and if anyone doesn't like it, than too bad".

 

Thank you. Too much "privilege" going around.

 

But the thing to ask is: "how am I going to handle it when my underage daughter gets hit up by drunken, semi-drunken men looking to score?"

 

Many men don't ask age when they see an attractive female in an adults only area. They move in for the prowl. And so what if they see the same female later or the next day in a different area, all they remember is that she was adult enough to be in the bar the night before. Enter the Stalker Stage.

 

To avoid all of this, just keep the underage people in the underage areas, ie; follow the rules!

[firemanbobswife]

Me too as now my son is 18 and daughter is 21 as of our next cruise ;p What is Ocean Medallion?

 

It's a circle thing that is going to take the place of your S&S card. https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.nytimes.com/2017/01/04/business/media/coming-to-carnival-cruises-a-wearable-medallion-that-records-your-every-whim.amp.html

[kc58ab]

I don't recall seeing in the agreement I made with them.

 

As for the signage or flyer. I don't see the word Only. Explicit 18+ could just be a warning...

[hftmrock]

I just wish people would follow the rules so that Carnival didn't have to babysit. But as we have seen today, it appears that there are some that consider it beneath them and only care to comply if it is actually enforced.

 

amen...

 

 

Unfortunately there is a *cough *cough educator *cough *cough on this forum that sums up the entitled world we live it. this 'educator' says he teaches his students about the rules and then encourages them to make their own rules...

 

Saddest commentary on an entitled generation ...

[kc58ab]

Thank you. Too much "privilege" going around.

 

But the thing to ask is: "how am I going to handle it when my underage daughter gets hit up by drunken, semi-drunken men looking to score?"

 

Many men don't ask age when they see an attractive female in an adults only area. They move in for the prowl. And so what if they see the same female later or the next day in a different area, all they remember is that she was adult enough to be in the bar the night before. Enter the Stalker Stage.

 

To avoid all of this, just keep the underage people in the underage areas, ie; follow the rules!

 

Or don't allow you underage daughter to wander the ship alone. You can look back years ago I posted I wouldn't allow my daughter to sunbathe alone on her graduation cruise bc of as you stated ..there are too many pervs.

[firemanbobswife]

I don't recall seeing in the agreement I made with them.

 

As for the signage or flyer. I don't see the word Only. Explicit 18+ could just be a warning...

 

If you want to split hairs, it doesn't say it for the casino activities, either.

 

When the host tells the audience that everyone needs to be 18 or older to stay, then that's all that needs to be said. They say it more than once. Verbal orders by ship employees are still just as valid.

[First and Ten]

thank you. Too much "privilege" going around.

 

But the thing to ask is: "how am i going to handle it when my underage daughter gets hit up by drunken, semi-drunken men looking to score?"

 

many men don't ask age when they see an attractive female in an adults only area. They move in for the prowl. And so what if they see the same female later or the next day in a different area, all they remember is that she was adult enough to be in the bar the night before. Enter the stalker stage.

 

To avoid all of this, just keep the underage people in the underage areas, ie; follow the rules!

 

she told me she was 25!!!!

[Pops, Esq.]

In good fun, let me throw this out there. How do we know this is a rule and not a suggestion? I recall my agreement with Carnival mentioning drinking and non smoking "rules" but not the Serenity area or Comedy.

I also recall someone posting about a youngster in the Serenity area that had some type of condition that they were there for a quieter place and shocker someone was upset bc they weren't old enough and complained. Yet Carnival allowed the kid to stay there bc they weren't causing any problems. Look up that thread.

 

So I guess I'm going to stand by Carnival doesn't take it as a serious "rule" themselves. Again like I already said wristbands or scanning are a simple option to lock this down if they deem it important enough.

From the Carnival Website (Age Restrictions On Board FAQ):

 

• "Guests must be 21 years of age or older to be in the “Serenity” adults-only area."
  

• Guests under the age of 18 may not attend the Late Night Shows, which are "R" rated.
  

And, from your Cruise Contract:

Guest acknowledges receipt of Carnival’s applicable brochures and travel information and agrees to abide by the terms and conditions of not just this Contract, but also the information contained in Carnival’s brochures and website, including but not limited to the information contained in the “Frequently Asked Questions”

So, can we all agree it's at least a "term and condition" if not a "rule". And certainly more than a suggestion.

Interestingly enough, the website also says,

• Guests under the age of 18 should be accompanied by an adult in all public areas of the ship.
  

Good things my kids are all 18+! I can leave them unattended.

Even more fun:

"Minor children 16 years of age and older may debark the ship in port without a parent or guardian."

So, apparently your 16 year old is allowed to debark the ship, but you have to accompany him or her to the gangplank?

[kc58ab]

If you want to split hairs, it doesn't say it for the casino activities, either.

 

When the host tells the audience that everyone needs to be 18 or older to stay, then that's all that needs to be said. They say it more than once. Verbal orders by ship employees are still just as valid.

 

I think it is comparable to say I need to see the word "Only" if others claim it doesn't say "Suggested".

 

I've been to several comedy shows and it did say it was "explicit" and for "mature audiences". Mature audience doesn't necessarily mean you have to be 18 to be mature.

[PattBenatar]

Yes you can lie and bring your kids where they are not allowed.

Yes you can smuggle booze that is not allowed.

Yes you can steal and share a Cheers/bubbles.

Yes you can steel cereal and take 30 boxes home for your house.

Yes you can order 30 lobsters on Elegant night.

Yes you can scam the cruise line to get aboard earlier.

Yes you can do a lot of things, but did you stop and wonder what that is teaching your children?

 

And the cycle continues, what will they teach your grandkids? This post is not directed at any particular person, just a thought about honesty and what is right and what is wrong.

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not directed at anyone personally

[firemanbobswife]

I think it is comparable to say I need to see the word "Only" if others claim it doesn't say "Suggested".

 

I've been to several comedy shows and it did say it was "explicit" and for "mature audiences". Mature audience doesn't necessarily mean you have to be 18 to be mature.

 

So the activities in the casino aren't for people that are ONLY 18 or over? The Girl's night out raffle drawing isn't for people that are ONLY 21 and over? Nope, sorry. I can't agree with that one single bit. There is an age there for a reason.

 

Back to the Comedy Club. They say before the show starts that you MUST BE 18 or over to stay or get the F out. More than once. Never have I heard them say it's for a "Mature Audience". Tell ya what. I'll do my best to get to one in October and video what they say. Guarantee it's 18 and over.

 

Here's another one. The Quest activity. It is DEFINITELY for 18 and over ONLY and it still has the 18+ in the description. No way in hell do kids need to be in there. Actually it probably should be for 21 and over!

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[hftmrock]

Yes you can lie and bring your kids where they are not allowed.

Yes you can smuggle booze that is not allowed.

Yes you can steal and share a Cheers/bubbles.

Yes you can steel cereal and take 30 boxes home for your house.

Yes you can order 30 lobsters on Elegant night.

Yes you can scam the cruise line to get aboard earlier.

Yes you can do a lot of things, but did you stop and wonder what that is teaching your children?

 

And the cycle continues, what will they teach your grandkids? This post is not directed at any particular person, just a thought about honesty and what is right and what is wrong.

 

as I said, there is a 'teacher' on this forum that TEACHES his students to learn the rules and then make up their own rules.

 

THAT is where this generation is headed. Right and wrong doesnt matter... just make up your own rules :mad:

[First and Ten]

Here is the issue with the 18+ Comedy Show, again, my opinion. There is a huge range of comics. Some of them are relatively tame. I have seen other comics that are graphic. Not saying they aren't funny, they are, but they can be BRUTAL and nothing is off limits. One of the cruises I was on, cant remember his name, but this woman heckled him. It wasn't even a bad heckle. He told an off color joke and said something to the effect of "that wasn't that funny"....apparently she said it in somewhat of a snotty voice and he proceeded to go off on her. I was both crying from laughter and embarrassed for her because he was relentless. Think Dice Clay on steroids as far as raunchy. Every sexual innuendo and her body parts he was all over to the point that she walked out, and I think she was on the verge of crying, followed by her husband. I can only imagine that comics may have some unwritten rules to who is off limits, but that would have been brutal if some 17 yr old girl was the subject of this comics jokes

[kerryincork]

That's really strange. Carnival can get in serious trouble for allowing this. Fines and people could and should have lost their jobs if you were drinking under 21.

 

 

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I don't think this a law in international waters, just ships policy, many cruise ships allow 18+ to drink with a signed waiver. So no fines.

 

This is not the case if the ship is docked at an American port.

 

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[firemanbobswife]

I don't think this a law in international waters, just ships policy, many cruise ships allow 18+ to drink with a signed waiver. So no fines.

This is not the case if the ship is docked at an American port.

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Carnival doesn't have this policy but I have seen other lines with the waiver.

[kc58ab]

So the activities in the casino aren't for people that are ONLY 18 or over? The Girl's night out raffle drawing isn't for people that are ONLY 21 and over? Nope, sorry. I can't agree with that one single bit. There is an age there for a reason.

 

Back to the Comedy Club. They say before the show starts that you MUST BE 18 or over to stay or get the F out. More than once. Never have I heard them say it's for a "Mature Audience". Tell ya what. I'll do my best to get to one in October and video what they say. Guarantee it's 18 and over.

 

Here's another one. The Quest activity. It is DEFINITELY for 18 and over ONLY and it still has the 18+ in the description. No way in hell do kids need to be in there. Actually it probably should be for 21 and over!

Idk what quest is so can't comment there. Gambling is like drinking fed law controls that. Not the same as some cussing in comedy or lounging in the serenity area. I have been to Comedy on every cruise I've been on recently I was just on one in March and that is exactly what it was mature audiences. Looking at your signature line it doesn't look like we've been on the same ship so I don't know if there's any difference between them or not.

[kc58ab]

Here is the issue with the 18+ Comedy Show, again, my opinion. There is a huge range of comics. Some of them are relatively tame. I have seen other comics that are graphic. Not saying they aren't funny, they are, but they can be BRUTAL and nothing is off limits. One of the cruises I was on, cant remember his name, but this woman heckled him. It wasn't even a bad heckle. He told an off color joke and said something to the effect of "that wasn't that funny"....apparently she said it in somewhat of a snotty voice and he proceeded to go off on her. I was both crying from laughter and embarrassed for her because he was relentless. Think Dice Clay on steroids as far as raunchy. Every sexual innuendo and her body parts he was all over to the point that she walked out, and I think she was on the verge of crying, followed by her husband. I can only imagine that comics may have some unwritten rules to who is off limits, but that would have been brutal if some 17 yr old girl was the subject of this comics jokes

 

That is a point I hadn't really thought about but one of rules of any comedy of I've ever been to is don't sit within the first few rows.

[kc58ab]

Yes you can lie and bring your kids where they are not allowed.

Yes you can smuggle booze that is not allowed.

Yes you can steal and share a Cheers/bubbles.

Yes you can steel cereal and take 30 boxes home for your house.

Yes you can order 30 lobsters on Elegant night.

Yes you can scam the cruise line to get aboard earlier.

Yes you can do a lot of things, but did you stop and wonder what that is teaching your children?

 

And the cycle continues, what will they teach your grandkids? This post is not directed at any particular person, just a thought about honesty and what is right and what is wrong.

 

This has a bit of a self-righteous air to it. Stealing food or drinks from bubbles is a ridiculous comparison to going to Comedy or serenity. Nowhere near the same. My children have witnessed me correcting places when they don't charge me for something and returning wallet, cash, or even ipod once that I found. I highly doubt allowing them to go to a couple places on a cruise ship teaches them to steal or lie. If anyone would have asked their age they would have told the truth.

I also highly doubt that you've never done anything that some terms indicated differently. This is in comparison to the people of your mindset that like to say speeding isn't a good example. I bet you have sped somewhere and that actually has ability to maybe cause bodily harm what bodily harm am I causing to someone.