6rugrats Posted February 22, 2018 #26 Share Posted February 22, 2018 You can't use logic with people who've forgotten the reasons why tipping started in the first place and whose rationale is "because I want to..." :rolleyes: Truly, our tipping culture has run amok. It’s absolutely crazy. Thank you for a rational voice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare MicCanberra Posted February 22, 2018 #27 Share Posted February 22, 2018 I tip who I want, not what others on this forum do.:) Agreed, If the guide happens to be the owner or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjkacmom Posted February 22, 2018 #28 Share Posted February 22, 2018 Because it is bad etiquette..Tipping the Owner Technically, it is not considered proper etiquette to tip the owner of a business. Instead, the tip should go to the employees. If you frequent a business often, it's a nice gesture to tip generously in order to show your appreciation for services rendered, and to ensure great service in the future. DO YOU TIP THE OWNER? WHAT CUSTOMERS DO: The commonly held belief is that you shouldn't tip the salon owner if she or he does your hair. But more and more customers do. WHAT SALON STAFF WANTS YOU TO DO: That rule really doesn't apply anymore. Go ahead, tip the owner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whogo Posted February 22, 2018 #29 Share Posted February 22, 2018 The old rule of etiquette was that you did not tip the owner. From Vogues Book of Etiquette, Simon & Schuster, 1948: "2. Never tip the owner or the manager, even if he is acting in a capacity which would usually entail tipping. For example, if the owner of a beauty parlor has given service, his is not tipped, although one of his employees definitely would be." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruiseGal999 Posted February 22, 2018 #30 Share Posted February 22, 2018 The old rule of etiquette was that you did not tip the owner. From Vogues Book of Etiquette, Simon & Schuster, 1948: "2. Never tip the owner or the manager, even if he is acting in a capacity which would usually entail tipping. For example, if the owner of a beauty parlor has given service, his is not tipped, although one of his employees definitely would be." Until possibly now .... The Trump Administration's Department of Labor wants to allow restaurateurs to collect tips earned by front-of-house staff and redistribute them as they see fit. This could help shore up the growing pay inequality between cooks and servers. This could also mean employers could keep tips for themselves or the business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ithaca gal Posted February 22, 2018 #31 Share Posted February 22, 2018 Why do you feel the need to tip anyone? The employees of these tour companies are paid normal wages, not the wages that food service employees are paid! The employees (or owner) have a job to do ..... show you around the area, tell you about the area, etc. If they do just what the job REQUIRES, no tip from me. If they obviously do their job in such a way as to assure that I have a great experience, they get a tip -- employee or owner. Etiquette? Not sure. Human kindness? You bet (Also, for all I know, that person "NEEDS" that tip more than I do. If I am wrong, what is the harm in my having $5 less to spend on my vacation. If I am right, WOW, I might have had a very nice, positive effect on someone's life. I'd rather "err" on the side of kindness.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travelcat2 Posted February 22, 2018 #32 Share Posted February 22, 2018 Why do you feel the need to tip anyone? The employees of these tour companies are paid normal wages, not the wages that food service employees are paid! Depending upon the country, some tour guide barely make enough money to eat (thinking third world countries). Their wages are not "normal" by U.S. standards! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare MicCanberra Posted February 22, 2018 #33 Share Posted February 22, 2018 The old rule of etiquette was that you did not tip the owner. From Vogues Book of Etiquette, Simon & Schuster, 1948: "2. Never tip the owner or the manager, even if he is acting in a capacity which would usually entail tipping. For example, if the owner of a beauty parlor has given service, his is not tipped, although one of his employees definitely would be." Living by rules that have been relegated to history does not make them right.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6rugrats Posted February 23, 2018 #34 Share Posted February 23, 2018 OP did not ask questions about tipping the owner of a beauty salon. As usual CC goes way off-topic. They stated they were taking a tour from the owner of a tour company. The owner sets the price they think is fair for their work. If they think they should make a higher wage, they should increase the cost of the tour. They control the price as they aren't an employee. No tip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare MicCanberra Posted February 23, 2018 #35 Share Posted February 23, 2018 OP did not ask questions about tipping the owner of a beauty salon. As usual CC goes way off-topic. They stated they were taking a tour from the owner of a tour company. The owner sets the price they think is fair for their work. If they think they should make a higher wage, they should increase the cost of the tour. They control the price as they aren't an employee. No tip. I will remember that when visiting the states next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ithaca gal Posted February 23, 2018 #36 Share Posted February 23, 2018 I will remember that when visiting the states next. Please do not! :) The majority of us have no problem tipping for a job well done. If it isn't done well, then the tip decreases or disappears. When I make an appointment to get my hair cut, or go to lunch, etc., I consider the tip part of the price I pay. I would simply not use someone's services and not tip. I don't care what others do but I can't help but feel that it is unfortunate for the person giving the services because it is THE CUSTOM in the US to tip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare cruisemom42 Posted February 23, 2018 #37 Share Posted February 23, 2018 The majority of us have no problem tipping for a job well done. If it isn't done well, then the tip decreases or disappears. When I make an appointment to get my hair cut, or go to lunch, etc., I consider the tip part of the price I pay. I would simply not use someone's services and not tip. I don't care what others do but I can't help but feel that it is unfortunate for the person giving the services because it is THE CUSTOM in the US to tip. But tipping isn't as simple as rewarding a job well done. You don't tip your doctor or your lawyer for a job well done. I've yet to see someone lay an extra $40 on their veterinarian (despite the fact that they may have more debt than your average tour operator....) Tipping is meant as a reward for service, yes, but predominantly aimed at those who otherwise would have no "skin in the game" to provide it. An owner of an agency providing tours does have skin in the game -- his or her business reputation and success depend on it. Plus, they would -- to my mind -- fall into the category of a professional. When money is given more to make the donor feel good than the recipient, that's something different from tipping, IMO. Also, as a side note, if you feel (rightly) that visitors to the US should abide by our tipping culture, why is it difficult for folks to understand that the reverse is also true.... Don't tip, or don't overtip, in countries where it is NOT part of the culture. Just because your tip isn't turned down doesn't mean that it is culturally appropriate. It changes customs and expectations for the locals who live there year-round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare MicCanberra Posted February 23, 2018 #38 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Hmmm, I think it will be a never ending / infinity loop of a discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruiseGal999 Posted February 23, 2018 #39 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Hmmm, I think it will be a never ending / infinity loop of a discussion. :') Like THAT never happens here on CC! LOL :') Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare MicCanberra Posted February 23, 2018 #40 Share Posted February 23, 2018 :') Like THAT never happens here on CC! LOL :') I think it has only happened once - it has just never stopped.;p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Husky61 Posted February 23, 2018 #41 Share Posted February 23, 2018 The bottom line is if someone wishes to tip the owner of a tour, that is their choice, not mine.:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruiseGal999 Posted February 23, 2018 #42 Share Posted February 23, 2018 I think it has only happened once - it has just never stopped.;p :') (y) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ithaca gal Posted February 24, 2018 #43 Share Posted February 24, 2018 The bottom line is if someone wishes to tip the owner of a tour, that is their choice, not mine.:) Absolutely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare MicCanberra Posted February 24, 2018 #44 Share Posted February 24, 2018 Absolutely. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlp20 Posted February 25, 2018 #45 Share Posted February 25, 2018 The whole not tipping the owner is isolated to Americans relating to restaurants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare MicCanberra Posted February 26, 2018 #46 Share Posted February 26, 2018 IMO, Tipping should be isolated to cows and hair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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