Drinking straws

[yankees111]

So, handicapped people who NEED straws to be able to eat and/or drink are just out of luck in California?

 

 

 

Yes but they can defecate on the sidewalk without any worries as well as anyone else!

 

 

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[Maniacal Cruiser]

Yes but they can defecate on the sidewalk without any worries as well as anyone else!

 

 

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And get free plastic syringes to shoot up drugs!

[Maniacal Cruiser]

We're not angry, just determined.

 

 

Yes they are, determined to do and say foolish things trying to convince yourself that you are having any impact on anything at all.

[Maniacal Cruiser]

Shouldn't be hard, they are angry all the time anyway. lol

 

 

It is a hobby of mine to see how close I can get them to having their heads explode! As you say, it is usually not very difficult.

[Maniacal Cruiser]

So, handicapped people who NEED straws to be able to eat and/or drink are just out of luck in California?

 

 

Most anyone who lives in California is out of a lot more than luck!

[Maniacal Cruiser]

 

 

Or how many youtube videos you have seen.

[fshagan]

So we shouldn't keep plastic out of our water, because other places have it worse???

 

Not sure how you came to that conclusion.

 

Reducing plastic used in the United States may have other benefits, but it absolutely is not a significant contributor to the plastic in the ocean, so banning straws and specifying jail time for vendors who are repeat offenders of passing out plastic straws is not going to help the swirling mess of plastic in the Pacific. It's always better to have a reason that is not a myth.

 

Cruise ships go to sensitive ecological areas, so NCL and the other cruise lines have good reason to "act responsibly". Keeping straws out of sea turtles' noses is definitely a reason for a private company to say they won't serve plastic straws any longer. That's enough, isn't it? Or do we have to make up additional reasons that anyone can shoot down by just checking the facts? It weakens, not strengthens, the argument to simply lie.

[fshagan]

So, handicapped people who NEED straws to be able to eat and/or drink are just out of luck in California?

 

The laws are being passed by municipalities so it's hard to keep track. Santa Barbara just passed one with "teeth" and no exemption for people covered under the ADA (but there is an exemption for "medically necessary", but I don't think I'd risk giving a quadriplegic a straw and face jail time). The Santa Barbara law enables the DA to fine businesses that continue to pass out plastic straws up to $1,000 and 6 months in jail, per straw. They say they will never impose those penalties, but that makes me wonder why they have them in the law.

 

The beach communities here see plastic as a local problem due to the amount of plastic they gather on the numerous volunteer beach clean up days. They get hundreds of straws along with solo cups and other plastic. I don't care if NCL bans straws; they can do what they want. If I don't like it, I don't have to sail on their ships. I do care what government bans because they enforce their bans with fines, incarceration and sometimes clubs and guns. So they should have valid reasons for crowding our prisons with "straw offenders". So far I haven't seen a valid reason to fine someone for giving out a plastic straw upon request.

[Maniacal Cruiser]

The laws are being passed by municipalities so it's hard to keep track. Santa Barbara just passed one with "teeth" and no exemption for people covered under the ADA (but there is an exemption for "medically necessary", but I don't think I'd risk giving a quadriplegic a straw and face jail time). The Santa Barbara law enables the DA to fine businesses that continue to pass out plastic straws up to $1,000 and 6 months in jail, per straw. They say they will never impose those penalties, but that makes me wonder why they have them in the law.

 

The beach communities here see plastic as a local problem due to the amount of plastic they gather on the numerous volunteer beach clean up days. They get hundreds of straws along with solo cups and other plastic. I don't care if NCL bans straws; they can do what they want. If I don't like it, I don't have to sail on their ships. I do care what government bans because they enforce their bans with fines, incarceration and sometimes clubs and guns. So they should have valid reasons for crowding our prisons with "straw offenders". So far I haven't seen a valid reason to fine someone for giving out a plastic straw upon request.

 

There does not need to be an exemption for ADA. The ADA in and of itself makes the exception required and a federal level trumps a local law. Of course we are talking about the socialist Republic Of California so there's that!

[Maniacal Cruiser]

Not sure how you came to that conclusion.

 

Reducing plastic used in the United States may have other benefits, but it absolutely is not a significant contributor to the plastic in the ocean, so banning straws and specifying jail time for vendors who are repeat offenders of passing out plastic straws is not going to help the swirling mess of plastic in the Pacific. It's always better to have a reason that is not a myth.

 

Cruise ships go to sensitive ecological areas, so NCL and the other cruise lines have good reason to "act responsibly". Keeping straws out of sea turtles' noses is definitely a reason for a private company to say they won't serve plastic straws any longer. That's enough, isn't it? Or do we have to make up additional reasons that anyone can shoot down by just checking the facts? It weakens, not strengthens, the argument to simply lie.

 

 

LOL, no it is a way for the tree huggers to feel like they are doing something worthwhile

[Something fun!]

http://1360kktx.iheart.com/featured/glenn-beck/content/2018-07-26-glenn-beck-blog-when-plastic-straws-attack/

 

 

:eek::rolleyes::')

[zitsky]

I only drink water and coffee,no straws needed

 

How do you drink water without a straw???

 

:confused:

 

 

It is a hobby of mine to see how close I can get them to having their heads explode! As you say, it is usually not very difficult.

 

 

So you're actually admitting you just like to antagonize people? What does that make you? A thoughtful poster?

Edited July 31, 2018 by zitsky

[SimonaD]

Yes but they can defecate on the sidewalk without any worries as well as anyone else!

 

 

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As long as they don’t it through a straw, is all good!

 

 

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[SimonaD]

 

Just use your remaining straws wisely....

 

 

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[Cafedumonde]

As long as they don’t it through a straw, is all good!

 

 

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lol