bizinsider Posted August 14, 2018 #1 Share Posted August 14, 2018 Hi all, We are scheduled to be on the Mozart September 10. Like everybody, we are watching the situation very closely. We have been reading the various low-water threads, which include some comments from passengers currently on the Mozart and other Crystal vessels - regarding cancelled ports. Given the number of low-water discussions it is hard to figure which one may have info on the Mozart. We thought maybe starting a Crystal low-water board would help focus the discussion to Crystal passengers. That said, our interest obviously is the Mozart. Any and all current insight into how the situation is being handled would be greatly appreciated. Obviously, significant rain in the next few weeks could change this. Or so we hope! We will pay it forward once we travel, assuming the trip is still on by the time we get there! A lot can happen over the course of several weeks. Thanks, Herb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunTurtle Posted August 16, 2018 #2 Share Posted August 16, 2018 Crystal let us know per email that our cruise had to be amended to a shortened cruise, beginning August 16 and ending August 22th. It was supposed to be August 16th to August 30th. We were to be on the Ravel. Crystal’s email was sent on Friday afternoon at 5:30pm, too late to do anything about it until Monday morning, when the travel agency opened. We were to leave on Tuesday. I would advise you to continue to follow postings so that you aren’t caught off guard as we were. Hopefully, the rain will come soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizinsider Posted August 16, 2018 Author #3 Share Posted August 16, 2018 FunTurtle, thank you very much. This is very helpful! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizinsider Posted August 16, 2018 Author #4 Share Posted August 16, 2018 FunTurtle, did they give you options on canceling; refund part of your trip expense? Any more detail, by chance. As longtime Crystal customers I'm surprised how poorly their communication on this currently is. You would think they (and all of the river cruise providers) could consult with meteorologists who could help consult on what things may be weeks out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluewaters Posted August 16, 2018 #5 Share Posted August 16, 2018 FunTurtle, did they give you options on canceling; refund part of your trip expense? Any more detail, by chance. As longtime Crystal customers I'm surprised how poorly their communication on this currently is. You would think they (and all of the river cruise providers) could consult with meteorologists who could help consult on what things may be weeks out. I wish it were possible to predict weather weeks out, but it's not. When you're looking that far out, you can speak of trends, but specific predictions are impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare gnome12 Posted August 16, 2018 #6 Share Posted August 16, 2018 FunTurtle, did they give you options on canceling; refund part of your trip expense? Any more detail, by chance. As longtime Crystal customers I'm surprised how poorly their communication on this currently is. You would think they (and all of the river cruise providers) could consult with meteorologists who could help consult on what things may be weeks out. River levels can and do change within hours. Water levels have been known to go from too low to too high (can't get under bridges) in a few days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunTurtle Posted August 16, 2018 #7 Share Posted August 16, 2018 I am disappointed as to how Crystal has handled this. We, too, have sailed 20 cruises with them. We love both the Serenity and the Symphony. That being said is why we scheduled this riverboat trip. Yes, we were given options. Email me so I can sent you a direct message. Lesli nana4620@yahoo.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Roland4 Posted August 16, 2018 #8 Share Posted August 16, 2018 River levels can and do change within hours. Water levels have been known to go from too low to too high (can't get under bridges) in a few days. Or in a few hours!! On Bach last December the water level south of Basel went from fine to "we almost didn't get under the bridge" in a matter of four hours when a very heavy rain storm blew into the valley!!!! We are on Mozart August 30 from Vienna to the Black Sea and back and have heard nothing yet from Crystal. It is still two weeks away, but the forecast for both Vienna and Budapest for the next 14 days has almost no rain, lots of sun and temperatures in the 27C to 30C range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crystal Cruises Posted August 16, 2018 #9 Share Posted August 16, 2018 Dear Cruise Critic Members, Crystal’s River Operations team continues to monitor the unseasonably dry conditions in central Europe and we are implementing contingency plans across the fleet to deliver the best experience for our guests. As we make these changes, we are communicating to guests and their travel agents as quickly as possible. I apologize if we have fallen short of your expectations. For Crystal Ravel’s Majestic Europe voyage (noted in this thread) we offered the following options: For guests who wished to sail the amended itinerary: They received a refund of the difference in cruise fare between what they paid and the cost of the amended cruise; For those with independent flight arrangements, they received up to $1,000 per guest reimbursement for the cost of amending their return flights from Basel/Zurichto Munich International or toward the purchase of a separate ticket from Munichto Basel/Zurich; For those with flights arranged by Crystal, we worked on alternate flight options at no additional cost; They received a Future Cruise Credit of $1,000 per guest, valid toward any Crystal Experience (Ocean, River or Yacht Expedition) embarking on or before December 31, 2020. For guests who did not wish to travel on the amended itinerary they could either: Switch their booking to any 2018 or 2019 Crystal River cruise (same suite category) and receive up to $1,000 per guest reimbursement toward the cost of amending their independent airline arrangements to match their new cruise itinerary and their original fare was protected; conversely, if the cruise fare was lower, we will refund the difference; Cancel their reservation and receive a 100% refund of all items charged by Crystal. While it is never our intention to change our itineraries, the safety of our guests and crew continues to be of the utmost importance. We thank all of you for your patience and understanding during these unfortunate weather conditions. Sincerely, Walter Littlejohn Vice President & ManagingDirector Crystal River Cruises 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizinsider Posted August 17, 2018 Author #10 Share Posted August 17, 2018 (edited) Walter, Thanks very much for that update and explanation. Fingers crossed for rain BEFORE we board the Mozart on September 10. Herb PS: I appreciated the helpful tone of Mark, in your river support group, when I called today. He was sympathetic and offered good insight. Edited August 17, 2018 by bizinsider additional comment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.M.T. Posted August 17, 2018 #11 Share Posted August 17, 2018 You would think they (and all of the river cruise providers) could consult with meteorologists who could help consult on what things may be weeks out. You should apply to go on America Got Talent as a comedian. How are Californians doing in predicting earthquakes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizinsider Posted August 17, 2018 Author #12 Share Posted August 17, 2018 You should apply to go on America Got Talent as a comedian. How are Californians doing in predicting earthquakes? Nice one!!! As a Californian I can say with certainty we will tell you after the next big one hits![emoji33] Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johng75370 Posted August 18, 2018 #13 Share Posted August 18, 2018 (edited) Dear Cruise Critic Members, Crystal’s River Operations team continues to monitor the unseasonably dry conditions in central Europe and we are implementing contingency plans across the fleet to deliver the best experience for our guests. As we make these changes, we are communicating to guests and their travel agents as quickly as possible. I apologize if we have fallen short of your expectations. Good to see Walter is monitoring these forums. As people new to Crystal but experienced with other cruise lines, we were very disappointed with how poor the communications have been, disorganized things have been, and generally not well thought through. I'm referring to our experience with the Crystal Bach this week which got rerouted to the Moselle. It's left a bad first impression, such that we will not cruise with Crystal again. Walter, make sure you read the comments and surveys from this cruise, because whether it was long-standing Crystal fans or newbies like us, most people on this ship were appalled at what happened. Edited August 18, 2018 by johng75370 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceilknits Posted August 18, 2018 #14 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Thank you for your updates! We are scheduled on the Mahler from Amsterdam to Budapest, but not departing until Oct 2; we fly to Amsterdam several days prior. We'll have to hope for rain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigrhode Posted August 19, 2018 #15 Share Posted August 19, 2018 We are scheduled on the Crystal Debussy that was to leave Basel on 8/30 heading up the Rhine to Amsterdam . Friday after 5pm, my travel agent was notified that "Due to unseasonably dry conditions in central Europe, the Rhine River, specifically in the area upstream of Koblenz, Germany, is experiencing extremely low water levels. Based on these circumstances and the lack of rain forecasted for the near future, we are obliged to confirm a revision to your itinerary as follows:" New Itinerary: DayLocationArriveDepartAug 30Lahnstein, GermanyMidnight Aug 31Koblenz, GermanyArrive am10 pm Sept 1Cochem, Germany1 pm5 pm Sept 2Dusseldorf, Germany8 am7 pm Sept 3Nijmegen, Netherlands8 am11 pm Sept 4Rotterdam, Netherlands7 am10 pm Sept 5Amsterdam, Netherlands9 amOvernight Sept 6Amsterdam, NetherlandsDisembark am *Please note that due to congestion along the river, the times and order of ports are subject to change Crystal is paying for us to fly from either Zurich or Basel (up to $500 per ticket) to Frankfurt , which is the closest airport to Lahnstein. Then they will pick us up at the airport and take us to Lahnstein. Also giving us $500 each toward a future cruise. We do not have the option to cancel. Even though we are very disappointed, we are planning to make the most of the cruise since we have not visited Germany or the Netherlands before. We will not know the exclusions they are offering until we are on board. I am glad that Crystal gave us advanced notice, since we are traveling to Switzerland prior to the cruise for 3 nights on our own. My husband thought they should have offered us more than $500 toward a future cruise since we are missing over half of the Rhine River on our cruise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceilknits Posted August 19, 2018 #16 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Thanks for your update! A disappointment, especially when plans are made far in advance, but as we know, we can't fool with Mother Nature. Your attitude is positive, Bigrhode, and I'm sure you'll enjoy yourselves. I do understand your husband's thinking: $500 compensation doesn't seem enough.:o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoeman1 Posted August 19, 2018 #17 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Johng,please update this board on the Bach trip. Are you on the second leg of this journey? I am so sorry that this cruise did not meet your expectations and I am especially disappointed in Crystal communication. For a top of the line cruise company they have not met the bar on communication to passengers, TA or even their river butler staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norvig Posted August 19, 2018 #18 Share Posted August 19, 2018 (edited) Bigrhode, I’m so sorry to hear of your cruise plans being changed. I hope Viking gives us as much advance notice if there is a change of itinerary & compensated as well as Crystal has done even though I feel they could do better especially if one does not want to take another river cruise. $500 is not enough all things considered. I hope you have a great time regardless. We are supposed to start our cruise in Trier with Viking on September 24. Edited August 19, 2018 by Norvig Misspelled Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johng75370 Posted August 19, 2018 #19 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Bigrhode, you did pretty well on future cruise credit compared to the Bach rescheduling, which was only $250 per person. Once onboard, we got a nice apology card and a gift certificate for an extra $500 onboard credit. But in one of the most classless moves ever, when we went to exchange the certificate they tore it up, said there was a mistake, and we should have only gotten $250 OBC. There were a lot of mistakes made by Crystal (like docking right next to a waste treatment plant in Trier), and almost all of them could have been prevented if Crystal really thought through what they were doing. IMHO they didn't try to go out of their way to make up for fully changing our whole itinerary a few days before departure. This lack of "heart" is why we won't cruise Crystal again after this very bad first experience with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhmjdds Posted August 20, 2018 #20 Share Posted August 20, 2018 (edited) Bigrhode, you did pretty well on future cruise credit compared to the Bach rescheduling, which was only $250 per person. Once onboard, we got a nice apology card and a gift certificate for an extra $500 onboard credit. But in one of the most classless moves ever, when we went to exchange the certificate they tore it up, said there was a mistake, and we should have only gotten $250 OBC. There were a lot of mistakes made by Crystal (like docking right next to a waste treatment plant in Trier), and almost all of them could have been prevented if Crystal really thought through what they were doing. IMHO they didn't try to go out of their way to make up for fully changing our whole itinerary a few days before departure. This lack of "heart" is why we won't cruise Crystal again after this very bad first experience with them. Oh, lord. We are booked on the Mahler leaving Amsterdam on 9/1. Haven’t heard a word from Crystal about alternatives, though it certainly seems that there is no chance that we can do Amsterdam-Budapest. I wonder when we will get our options? Perhaps once we are in Amsterdam. Well, we will pack light and if the boat’s not sailing, I’ll buy a Eurorail pass and make the best of it, I guess. Always wanted to backpack through Europe, so this might be our chance. Trying hard not to freak out. Johng75370–You seem to have every reason to be P.O.’d Cannot understand why they did the (very very) classless move of tearing up your certificate. Obviously you deserved the amount on it; even if they made a mistake they needed to honor whatever it said. When we make a mistake like that in our office we bite the bullet and go with whatever we originally said. That’s just business 101. But I hope you don’t throw the baby out with the bath water. We have been extremely pleased with Crystal up to this point; try to look past this crappy situation and if a Crystal cruise fits into your plans in the future, consider them again. Maybe for an ocean cruise... Diane Edited August 20, 2018 by dhmjdds More information Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceilknits Posted August 20, 2018 #21 Share Posted August 20, 2018 Diane, We are scheduled to sail on the Mahler out of Amsterdam on Oct 2. Still some time from now, but the more posts I read on CC, the more anxious I become! We really like Crystal and hope they do the right thing for their customers Good luck! Barbara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs. Claypool Posted August 20, 2018 #22 Share Posted August 20, 2018 Diane, We are also booked on the Mahler's cruise from Amsterdam to Budapest on September 1; three couples. For the Mahler's past two voyages, August 1 and August 16, she has been doing an amended roundtrip Amsterdam to Amsterdam itinerary; through Holland, Belgium and the northwestern corner of Germany. From reading the messages on this forum, it appears that the passengers on those two cruises had been given advance notice of the change, about a week before embarkation, and some options for either going ahead or cancelling. No one in our group has heard anything from Crystal or our T.A. yet. My guess is that we will get word sometime this week. I will, of course, post the information here. When and if it comes in. :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhmjdds Posted August 20, 2018 #23 Share Posted August 20, 2018 Mrs. Claypool— Good to hear from someone else on the same boat, and in the same boat! I agree we should hear something this week. Have you received anything at all from Crystal? Usually for an ocean cruise we would have gotten our documents before this. My guess is that the Mahler will be sailing the same itinerary that it has done the last two cruises. It doesn’t sound great, but it doesn’t sound awful either. Diane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark_T Posted August 20, 2018 #24 Share Posted August 20, 2018 In river level terms, it is still too early to be precise about a cruise starting more than 10 days away, but there is nothing in the current weather forecasts that would give much hope of a significant change at the moment which could return cruising to 'normal'. They may be holding back on the documents just a little longer than usual to see if anything does change in the next few days, but, there is a good chance it will be the modified itinerary I'd guess... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare notamermaid Posted August 20, 2018 #25 Share Posted August 20, 2018 Crystal is certainly doing some real rearranging. I spotted the Crystal Mahler docked in Lahnstein a little upstream from Koblenz the other day (on marinetraffic). They have chosen this place as an embarkation port. Could they not take a coach from there into the Rhine valley to see the gorge? Easy to do really if you have got the coach. It would be such a disappointment to miss it. But I am doing the thinking for Crystal here, perhaps they have different ideas. I thought choosing the Moselle instead of the Rhine was a good idea, but it sounds as if it did not go well in practice. That is a real pity and really annoying when you have spent thousands of dollars on this cruise. Crystal cruisers, I hope you will be informed in good time to also be able to cancel if you wish to do so if it is possible for you bearing in mind air travel and pre- or post-cruise arrangements. Being on a different river is better than being on a coach for four or more hours I find. It is not an easy time for a river cruise company especially when they are confronted with such difficulties for the first time. With a couple of itineraries having been rerouted already hopefully your cruises will see the experience improve for you cruisers travelling soon. As I have mentioned on the Rhine river thread, I regard the Moselle as a beautiful river and I hope you can enjoy the scenery under the circumstances. notamermaid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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